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Posted: 8/11/2012 9:26:43 AM EDT
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Are they making rifles this year or taken the year off? Haven't heard much of anything about them. Cant find a 16' upper to go with my lower anywhere..... I just found your upper for you here. They used to build all of POF's stuff for them. Now they have their own, plus better rails. The customer service is second to none. |
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That rail is ugly as hell. I agree but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, it does look like it should be very lightweight for a monolithic. Speaking of monos'... any thoughts on what POF and Hogan are planning on doing in light of the LMT patent. Mega responded almost immediately but no word that I've seen or heard from the others. |
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That rail is ugly as hell. I agree but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, it does look like it should be very lightweight for a monolithic. Speaking of monos'... any thoughts on what POF and Hogan are planning on doing in light of the LMT patent. Mega responded almost immediately but no word that I've seen or heard from the others. No worries for Hogan. Here is a link to our Industry forum and our Patent: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_443/222540_Hogans_new_Patent.html The new Xrail is modular. The end user can now instal rail section where they want at the 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions. We also removed 11oz's from the front of the rifle be removing all the extra railestate and materails from the old design. |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good.  I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. 
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though.  My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though. My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. Not a brand thing for me...Not sure what you mean by POF is the same?? Hogans Guns=what POF was they are now making the guns and calling them Hogans yeah? And now POF is making thier own shit with Windam aka Bushmaster instead of sourcing from Hogans.... Like a bad soap opera..not they make a "good soap opera. |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though. My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. Not a brand thing for me...Not sure what you mean by POF is the same?? Hogans Guns=what POF was they are now making the guns and calling them Hogans yeah? And now POF is making thier own shit with Windam aka Bushmaster instead of sourcing from Hogans.... Like a bad soap opera..not they make a "good soap opera. POF is the same as POF is the same company with questionable products and quality control since they and Hogan parted ways. I had no idea that Whindham was making POF's stuff now. I ordered a P308 earlier this year. I did a write up of it. It was an abortion of a rifle. The customer service was horrendous. I liked the design so I contacted Hogan, and since then have become a believer in their company and their rifles. The whole parting ways thing was explained to me, which I won't get into as it's not my place to discuss. On that note though, I took a chance on Hogan when I bought a rifle from them. I don't gamble as I work way too hard for my money. The customer service was top notch and even the owner, Robert Hogan, got on the phone and talked to me. Here the owner of a large company takes his time to speak with me, I thought that was great! They make their own components for the most part and do all the maintenance and assembly in house. There's no getting transferred around of one has questions. If you call, you get the real happy lady on the phone (I mean that with all seriousness too), then you get Paul or Robert Hogan on the horn. It's all very personable. With all that in mind, my gamble paid off in spades. I got a premium product, the finest I have ever used, backed by excellent customer service, it was a win/win for me. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can say that if you get a rifle from Hogan Guns, you won't be disappointed. If for some oddball reason you did have an issue, you call em, and they will bend over backwards to make you happy. It's a win/win for you. |
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That rail is ugly as hell. I agree but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, it does look like it should be very lightweight for a monolithic. Speaking of monos'... any thoughts on what POF and Hogan are planning on doing in light of the LMT patent. Mega responded almost immediately but no word that I've seen or heard from the others. No worries for Hogan. Here is a link to our Industry forum and our Patent: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_443/222540_Hogans_new_Patent.html The new Xrail is modular. The end user can now instal rail section where they want at the 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions. We also removed 11oz's from the front of the rifle be removing all the extra railestate and materails from the old design. can we buy this rail seperate?? my 308 needs to lose some weight 
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That rail is ugly as hell. I agree but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, it does look like it should be very lightweight for a monolithic. Speaking of monos'... any thoughts on what POF and Hogan are planning on doing in light of the LMT patent. Mega responded almost immediately but no word that I've seen or heard from the others. No worries for Hogan. Here is a link to our Industry forum and our Patent: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_443/222540_Hogans_new_Patent.html The new Xrail is modular. The end user can now instal rail section where they want at the 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions. We also removed 11oz's from the front of the rifle be removing all the extra railestate and materails from the old design. can we buy this rail seperate?? my 308 needs to lose some weight Yes you can. Go to the Hoganguns website and order there. Or since you are in AZ, give us a call at the shop. |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though. My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. Not a brand thing for me...Not sure what you mean by POF is the same?? Hogans Guns=what POF was they are now making the guns and calling them Hogans yeah? And now POF is making thier own shit with Windam aka Bushmaster instead of sourcing from Hogans.... Like a bad soap opera..not they make a "good soap opera. POF is the same as POF is the same company with questionable products and quality control since they and Hogan parted ways. I had no idea that Whindham was making POF's stuff now. I ordered a P308 earlier this year. I did a write up of it. It was an abortion of a rifle. The customer service was horrendous. I liked the design so I contacted Hogan, and since then have become a believer in their company and their rifles. The whole parting ways thing was explained to me, which I won't get into as it's not my place to discuss. On that note though, I took a chance on Hogan when I bought a rifle from them. I don't gamble as I work way too hard for my money. The customer service was top notch and even the owner, Robert Hogan, got on the phone and talked to me. Here the owner of a large company takes his time to speak with me, I thought that was great! They make their own components for the most part and do all the maintenance and assembly in house. There's no getting transferred around of one has questions. If you call, you get the real happy lady on the phone (I mean that with all seriousness too), then you get Paul or Robert Hogan on the horn. It's all very personable. With all that in mind, my gamble paid off in spades. I got a premium product, the finest I have ever used, backed by excellent customer service, it was a win/win for me. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can say that if you get a rifle from Hogan Guns, you won't be disappointed. If for some oddball reason you did have an issue, you call em, and they will bend over backwards to make you happy. It's a win/win for you. Have you seen the video on youtube? Hogan Manufacturing LLC.... |
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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though. My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. Not a brand thing for me...Not sure what you mean by POF is the same?? Hogans Guns=what POF was they are now making the guns and calling them Hogans yeah? And now POF is making thier own shit with Windam aka Bushmaster instead of sourcing from Hogans.... Like a bad soap opera..not they make a "good soap opera. POF is the same as POF is the same company with questionable products and quality control since they and Hogan parted ways. I had no idea that Whindham was making POF's stuff now. I ordered a P308 earlier this year. I did a write up of it. It was an abortion of a rifle. The customer service was horrendous. I liked the design so I contacted Hogan, and since then have become a believer in their company and their rifles. The whole parting ways thing was explained to me, which I won't get into as it's not my place to discuss. On that note though, I took a chance on Hogan when I bought a rifle from them. I don't gamble as I work way too hard for my money. The customer service was top notch and even the owner, Robert Hogan, got on the phone and talked to me. Here the owner of a large company takes his time to speak with me, I thought that was great! They make their own components for the most part and do all the maintenance and assembly in house. There's no getting transferred around of one has questions. If you call, you get the real happy lady on the phone (I mean that with all seriousness too), then you get Paul or Robert Hogan on the horn. It's all very personable. With all that in mind, my gamble paid off in spades. I got a premium product, the finest I have ever used, backed by excellent customer service, it was a win/win for me. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can say that if you get a rifle from Hogan Guns, you won't be disappointed. If for some oddball reason you did have an issue, you call em, and they will bend over backwards to make you happy. It's a win/win for you. Have you seen the video on youtube? Hogan Manufacturing LLC.... Have you seen all the videos claiming that our current president is a great guy? I'm not being a smart ass, it's just a point. Yes, I saw that video even prior to purchasing my Hogan. I was skeptical at first because I got burned by POF. I called and talked to two different people at Hogan and was then conferenced in with the Owner of Hogan Manufacturing. They sounded convincing to me, so I took the gamble and it paid off in spades. I now own the nicest rifle that I have ever owned and it drives tacks. I called there last month to speak with Paul and he was away from his desk. Who answered the phone in his absence? That would be the Owner, Robert Hogan. He makes sure that his customers needs are taken care of rather than shipping people over to voice mail. I'm telling ya, this company get's it. Sir, if you are going to base your rifle buying decision on simply one video then I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. I mean that wholeheartedly as I will not be able to change your mind. You have to do what you feel is right and what makes you feel most comfortable. That video came out from my understanding when they were having their issues between POF & Hogan around the split. Also, from my understanding, the video was released form someone in the POF camp so-to-speak to slander Hogan. Look at my review in here of my POF P-308. That thing was an abomination and it was surly not made by Hogan for POF. I don't work for Hogan, nor do I receive compensation for products that they sell. I don't know anyone at Hogan personally, nor have I personally met any of them. I simply believe in them as a company. I have seen their work, shot & owned their product, and have found my favorite weapon. During all of my travels in the gun circles and what I have been issued, owned, sold, and shot, I personally find Hogan Guns to be the very finest. The attention to detail that they put into every single weapon that leaves their factory, it's priceless. You truly do get what you pay for. The customer service is the finest I have ever dealt with. I can't say the same for every single person ad their MMV. I can however say; that I have not heard anything negative about Hogan as they will bend over backwards to make you a satisfied customer. Side note..... I have spent a pretty penny with them as I believe in their product. I was assembling a lower for my son and lost one of the springs. It flew out of the lower and I could not find it. I needed one real quick for an upcoming shoot. I got a hold of Robert and told him I was an idiot and lost a spring. He sent me a few in the mail that day and I had what I needed for the shoot. Bottom line: Your not just paying for perfection in a rifle, your paying for the best customer service that one can find in the weapons industry. I wouldn't push for a company unless I actually believed in them, I'm no salesman. 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Umm...so hogan and pof the same company? No sir. Hogan Manufacturing used to make the majority of the parts for POF. POF simply paid Hogan to stamp their name on it. Hogan Manufacturing actually makes weapons for several companies, to include GA. Precision. POF didn't pay their tab, Hogan Manufacturing quit supplying them as they weren't paid. POF & Hogan Manufacturing parted ways. POF found someone else to make their rifles for them and the quality in my experience was sub-par. The owner of POF is a complete turd, I know from firsthand experience. The customer service was actually worse than the rifle itself. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns, since they hold the patents from my understanding they can machine the rifles. I liked the design, so I took a chance on this small company and struck gold imo. I have owned a couple of Hogan Rifles and believe them to be the finest rifles I have ever fired. I have owned and fired many black rifles in my day. They aren't cheap, but you definitely get what you pay for. The customer service is second to none from Hogan. I do not work for Hogan, nor do I sell weapons for a living. I simply believe in Hogan Guns as a company because they are just that damn good. I have dealt with everyone from the owner down to their sales department. Hell, even the lady who answers the phone there is one of the happiest people I have ever talked to on the phone before. Quite simply, If I could pick only one black rifle to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Hogan Rifle.
I hope I was able to clarify the pof vs. Hogan Guns issue for ya. Wow....after a ton of reading and research, I'll be staying away from both these companies. What a shit show Why is that? There is a ton of reading out there on matter. Hogan Guns is still relatively new in the gun world. I can't speak for everyone, but I took a chance on them and ordered one of their rifles. I loved it. My first was a H-.308 and it was the most beautiful weapon I have ever fired/owned. Unfortunately, I had to sell it though. My second favorite is a Hogan that I use for competitions. They still make Ga. Arm's precision rifles for them. The customer service is some of the best I have ever seen in the gun world.
Yes, there is a pissing match between the two companies. I should say, there was. Hogan moved on and is making some of the finest rifles on the market. POF, well, there still the same POF. I would avoid them, but that's my opinion. It's not about brand loyalty to me so much as it is about quality and what you get for your money. It's about what I thought was simply the best product out there. I have played with Colt, H&K, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, etc..... and at the end of the day, I'd still take a Hogan. I don't anticipate any issues, but if I ever had one, I know I could count on Paul over at Hogan Guns to get me squared away. I can understand being hesitant after doing all the research on the issues. I was in your shoes as well at one point. I took a chance, am happy, and won't look back. Not a brand thing for me...Not sure what you mean by POF is the same?? Hogans Guns=what POF was they are now making the guns and calling them Hogans yeah? And now POF is making thier own shit with Windam aka Bushmaster instead of sourcing from Hogans.... Like a bad soap opera..not they make a "good soap opera. POF is the same as POF is the same company with questionable products and quality control since they and Hogan parted ways. I had no idea that Whindham was making POF's stuff now. I ordered a P308 earlier this year. I did a write up of it. It was an abortion of a rifle. The customer service was horrendous. I liked the design so I contacted Hogan, and since then have become a believer in their company and their rifles. The whole parting ways thing was explained to me, which I won't get into as it's not my place to discuss. On that note though, I took a chance on Hogan when I bought a rifle from them. I don't gamble as I work way too hard for my money. The customer service was top notch and even the owner, Robert Hogan, got on the phone and talked to me. Here the owner of a large company takes his time to speak with me, I thought that was great! They make their own components for the most part and do all the maintenance and assembly in house. There's no getting transferred around of one has questions. If you call, you get the real happy lady on the phone (I mean that with all seriousness too), then you get Paul or Robert Hogan on the horn. It's all very personable. With all that in mind, my gamble paid off in spades. I got a premium product, the finest I have ever used, backed by excellent customer service, it was a win/win for me. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can say that if you get a rifle from Hogan Guns, you won't be disappointed. If for some oddball reason you did have an issue, you call em, and they will bend over backwards to make you happy. It's a win/win for you. Have you seen the video on youtube? Hogan Manufacturing LLC.... Have you seen all the videos claiming that our current president is a great guy? I'm not being a smart ass, it's just a point. Yes, I saw that video even prior to purchasing my Hogan. I was skeptical at first because I got burned by POF. I called and talked to two different people at Hogan and was then conferenced in with the Owner of Hogan Manufacturing. They sounded convincing to me, so I took the gamble and it paid off in spades. I now own the nicest rifle that I have ever owned and it drives tacks. I called there last month to speak with Paul and he was away from his desk. Who answered the phone in his absence? That would be the Owner, Robert Hogan. He makes sure that his customers needs are taken care of rather than shipping people over to voice mail. I'm telling ya, this company get's it. Sir, if you are going to base your rifle buying decision on simply one video then I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. I mean that wholeheartedly as I will not be able to change your mind. You have to do what you feel is right and what makes you feel most comfortable. That video came out from my understanding when they were having their issues between POF & Hogan around the split. Also, from my understanding, the video was released form someone in the POF camp so-to-speak to slander Hogan. Look at my review in here of my POF P-308. That thing was an abomination and it was surly not made by Hogan for POF. I don't work for Hogan, nor do I receive compensation for products that they sell. I don't know anyone at Hogan personally, nor have I personally met any of them. I simply believe in them as a company. I have seen their work, shot & owned their product, and have found my favorite weapon. During all of my travels in the gun circles and what I have been issued, owned, sold, and shot, I personally find Hogan Guns to be the very finest. The attention to detail that they put into every single weapon that leaves their factory, it's priceless. You truly do get what you pay for. The customer service is the finest I have ever dealt with. I can't say the same for every single person ad their MMV. I can however say; that I have not heard anything negative about Hogan as they will bend over backwards to make you a satisfied customer. Side note..... I have spent a pretty penny with them as I believe in their product. I was assembling a lower for my son and lost one of the springs. It flew out of the lower and I could not find it. I needed one real quick for an upcoming shoot. I got a hold of Robert and told him I was an idiot and lost a spring. He sent me a few in the mail that day and I had what I needed for the shoot. Bottom line: Your not just paying for perfection in a rifle, your paying for the best customer service that one can find in the weapons industry. I wouldn't push for a company unless I actually believed in them, I'm no salesman. I don't need anything in return, I simply want to see a great company rise to the top. Im a little confused with the bashing of POF...these "new" Hogan guns are POF rifles stamped Hogan? Down to their web site and the way they brake down their specs...is eeirly similar to POF specs LOL. So the only difference is better customer service...since the parts are/where the same? Same parts/rifle just stamped different yes? |
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Im a little confused with the bashing of POF...these "new" Hogan guns are POF rifles stamped Hogan? Down to their web site and the way they brake down their specs...is eeirly similar to POF specs LOL. So the only difference is better customer service...since the parts are/where the same? Same parts/rifle just stamped different yes?
The new Hogan Rifles have nothing to do with POF at all. Yes, the design is the same or similar. Hogan USED to make the guns for POF. Their business's were connected via a machine shop. You can see this via google earth. POF was just a name on the rifle. Now, from my understanding based my research, the patents to that rifle system were not even held by the owner of POF. The were held by someone else, who left POF and went to work for Hogan. That's why there was a huge lawsuit between the two. That, and POF skipped out on a $50k tab they owned Hogan from what I have read. Not all of the parts are the same. I can assure you of that. Hogan's new X Rail is their design and will not be used by POF less they get their asses sued. POF went to another supplier after the split and then stated cranking out some less than stellar quality weapons. I know, I purchased one that was a QC disaster. It's not a matter of bashing POF. It's that I paid close to $3k for a rifle that had tooling marks all over it, the finish was messed up (See my review for pics), dust cover spring was sticking out, etc........ The owner of POF, Frank DeSomma, was a complete asshole to me on the phone. I was actually respectful, and tried to get the rifle warrantied or exchanged. The issue is how dare anyone question him. IMO, he was rude, arrogant, and displayed narcissistic behavior. He then refused to take my calls while continuing to hold my $3k rifle hostage. He originally told me a couple weeks for turn around I believe it was. After 6 weeks and being ignored, I went to this supplier asking for a refund. SO in a nut shell, yes, the design is similar. If you buy a POF, best of luck to ya. You may get a great rifle. You may on the other hand get screwed like I did. OR, if you have a warranty issue, well, again, best of luck to ya. You can surf the web and find a ton of people who have had issues with POF similar to mine. I can't tell ya what to do either way, it's your money. What I can tell ya is that if you buy a Hogan Rifle, you get it from the company that has been building this rifle system since day one. They have their name on it now. Hogan's customer service is excellent and they actually value their customers. You just simply can't go wrong with a Hogan Rifle. Does this make sense now? If not, just go read my review of the POF Rifle that I bought. (It was a new one that was NOT made by Hogan.) |
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The new Hogan Rifles have nothing to do with POF at all. Yes, the design is the same or similar. Hogan USED to make the guns for POF. Their business's were connected via a machine shop. You can see this via google earth. POF was just a name on the rifle. Now, from my understanding based my research, the patents to that rifle system were not even held by the owner of POF. The were held by someone else, who left POF and went to work for Hogan. That's why there was a huge lawsuit between the two. That, and POF skipped out on a $50k tab they owned Hogan from what I have read. Not all of the parts are the same. I can assure you of that. Hogan's new X Rail is their design and will not be used by POF less they get their asses sued. POF went to another supplier after the split and then stated cranking out some less than stellar quality weapons. I know, I purchased one that was a QC disaster. It's not a matter of bashing POF. It's that I paid close to $3k for a rifle that had tooling marks all over it, the finish was messed up (See my review for pics), dust cover spring was sticking out, etc........ The owner of POF, Frank DeSomma, was a complete asshole to me on the phone. I was actually respectful, and tried to get the rifle warrantied or exchanged. The issue is how dare anyone question him. IMO, he was rude, arrogant, and displayed narcissistic behavior. He then refused to take my calls while continuing to hold my $3k rifle hostage. He originally told me a couple weeks for turn around I believe it was. After 6 weeks and being ignored, I went to this supplier asking for a refund. SO in a nut shell, yes, the design is similar. If you buy a POF, best of luck to ya. You may get a great rifle. You may on the other hand get screwed like I did. OR, if you have a warranty issue, well, again, best of luck to ya. You can surf the web and find a ton of people who have had issues with POF similar to mine. I can't tell ya what to do either way, it's your money. What I can tell ya is that if you buy a Hogan Rifle, you get it from the company that has been building this rifle system since day one. They have their name on it now. Hogan's customer service is excellent and they actually value their customers. You just simply can't go wrong with a Hogan Rifle. Does this make sense now? If not, just go read my review of the POF Rifle that I bought. (It was a new one that was NOT made by Hogan.) Trying to sort it all out..the person who left was the owner of POF's brother from what i read. Have they really figured out who owns the rights yet? and there are some ethics in question as well. Ic that Hogans is still making rifles and i have no clue what POF is doing. Ill be waiting awhile before i purchase anything from either company at this point. And maybe ill just go with LWRC |
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Im a little confused with the bashing of POF...these "new" Hogan guns are POF rifles stamped Hogan? Down to their web site and the way they brake down their specs...is eeirly similar to POF specs LOL. So the only difference is better customer service...since the parts are/where the same? Same parts/rifle just stamped different yes?
The new Hogan Rifles have nothing to do with POF at all. Yes, the design is the same or similar. Hogan USED to make the guns for POF. Their business's were connected via a machine shop. You can see this via google earth. POF was just a name on the rifle. Now, from my understanding based my research, the patents to that rifle system were not even held by the owner of POF. The were held by someone else, who left POF and went to work for Hogan. That's why there was a huge lawsuit between the two. That, and POF skipped out on a $50k tab they owned Hogan from what I have read. Not all of the parts are the same. I can assure you of that. Hogan's new X Rail is their design and will not be used by POF less they get their asses sued. POF went to another supplier after the split and then stated cranking out some less than stellar quality weapons. I know, I purchased one that was a QC disaster. It's not a matter of bashing POF. It's that I paid close to $3k for a rifle that had tooling marks all over it, the finish was messed up (See my review for pics), dust cover spring was sticking out, etc........ The owner of POF, Frank DeSomma, was a complete asshole to me on the phone. I was actually respectful, and tried to get the rifle warrantied or exchanged. The issue is how dare anyone question him. IMO, he was rude, arrogant, and displayed narcissistic behavior. He then refused to take my calls while continuing to hold my $3k rifle hostage. He originally told me a couple weeks for turn around I believe it was. After 6 weeks and being ignored, I went to this supplier asking for a refund. SO in a nut shell, yes, the design is similar. If you buy a POF, best of luck to ya. You may get a great rifle. You may on the other hand get screwed like I did. OR, if you have a warranty issue, well, again, best of luck to ya. You can surf the web and find a ton of people who have had issues with POF similar to mine. I can't tell ya what to do either way, it's your money. What I can tell ya is that if you buy a Hogan Rifle, you get it from the company that has been building this rifle system since day one. They have their name on it now. Hogan's customer service is excellent and they actually value their customers. You just simply can't go wrong with a Hogan Rifle. Does this make sense now? If not, just go read my review of the POF Rifle that I bought. (It was a new one that was NOT made by Hogan.) Trying to sort it all out..the person who left was the owner of POF's brother from what i read. Have they really figured out who owns the rights yet? and there are some ethics in question as well. Ic that Hogans is still making rifles and i have no clue what POF is doing. Ill be waiting awhile before i purchase anything from either company at this point. And maybe ill just go with LWRC Like I said before, I can't make your mind up for you. LWRC is a fine weapon. It's not even in the same ballpark as a Hogan though IMO. I'm sure I'll piss off all the fanboys of LWRC with that one though, and so be it. I am entitled to my opinion as they are theirs. I actually owned an LWRC M6A2. It was a finely tuned machine. It was a HEAVY machine though. I sold it to get a POF as I really liked the design and I am piston guy. When the POF issue fell through, I decided to take a leap of faith and went with a Hogan Rifle. I couldn't have made a better decision. If your truly doing your research, then give them a call. Talk to Paul or Robert, or Chris for that matter. They are all good men based on the many conversations I have had with them. It can't hurt ya one way or the other. If you still don't have a rifle come this winter, & depending on your location, you can shoot mine. My family & I are moving to WA. soon. Once you shoot a Hogan Rifle, you will never go back......... |
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The new Hogan Rifles have nothing to do with POF at all. Yes, the design is the same or similar. Hogan USED to make the guns for POF. Their business's were connected via a machine shop. You can see this via google earth. POF was just a name on the rifle. Now, from my understanding based my research, the patents to that rifle system were not even held by the owner of POF. The were held by someone else, who left POF and went to work for Hogan. That's why there was a huge lawsuit between the two. That, and POF skipped out on a $50k tab they owned Hogan from what I have read. Not all of the parts are the same. I can assure you of that. Hogan's new X Rail is their design and will not be used by POF less they get their asses sued. POF went to another supplier after the split and then stated cranking out some less than stellar quality weapons. I know, I purchased one that was a QC disaster. It's not a matter of bashing POF. It's that I paid close to $3k for a rifle that had tooling marks all over it, the finish was messed up (See my review for pics), dust cover spring was sticking out, etc........ The owner of POF, Frank DeSomma, was a complete asshole to me on the phone. I was actually respectful, and tried to get the rifle warrantied or exchanged. The issue is how dare anyone question him. IMO, he was rude, arrogant, and displayed narcissistic behavior. He then refused to take my calls while continuing to hold my $3k rifle hostage. He originally told me a couple weeks for turn around I believe it was. After 6 weeks and being ignored, I went to this supplier asking for a refund. SO in a nut shell, yes, the design is similar. If you buy a POF, best of luck to ya. You may get a great rifle. You may on the other hand get screwed like I did. OR, if you have a warranty issue, well, again, best of luck to ya. You can surf the web and find a ton of people who have had issues with POF similar to mine. I can't tell ya what to do either way, it's your money. What I can tell ya is that if you buy a Hogan Rifle, you get it from the company that has been building this rifle system since day one. They have their name on it now. Hogan's customer service is excellent and they actually value their customers. You just simply can't go wrong with a Hogan Rifle. Does this make sense now? If not, just go read my review of the POF Rifle that I bought. (It was a new one that was NOT made by Hogan.) Trying to sort it all out..the person who left was the owner of POF's brother from what i read. Have they really figured out who owns the rights yet? and there are some ethics in question as well. Ic that Hogans is still making rifles and i have no clue what POF is doing. Ill be waiting awhile before i purchase anything from either company at this point. And maybe ill just go with LWRC Like I said before, I can't make your mind up for you. LWRC is a fine weapon. It's not even in the same ballpark as a Hogan though IMO. I'm sure I'll piss off all the fanboys of LWRC with that one though, and so be it. I am entitled to my opinion as they are theirs. I actually owned an LWRC M6A2. It was a finely tuned machine. It was a HEAVY machine though. I sold it to get a POF as I really liked the design and I am piston guy. When the POF issue fell through, I decided to take a leap of faith and went with a Hogan Rifle. I couldn't have made a better decision. If your truly doing your research, then give them a call. Talk to Paul or Robert, or Chris for that matter. They are all good men based on the many conversations I have had with them. It can't hurt ya one way or the other. If you still don't have a rifle come this winter, & depending on your location, you can shoot mine. My family & I are moving to WA. soon. Once you shoot a Hogan Rifle, you will never go back......... I know nothing about Hogan but, I had and loved an A-2 (LWRC). Sweet rifle. The LWRC SPR is lightyears ahead of the A-2. I replaced the A-2 with 2 SPR's, you just cant get enough. |
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| I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. |
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I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. POF's picked up a bad reputation over the years. Some of it they truely earned. It's my mission in life to never spend another dime with them. What do you guy's know of POF's "offshore beginings"? I've heard rumors, rather than spread more crap I'd like to know. |
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I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. KobraCarry, I did do my homework. I talked to Frank DeSomma (owner of POF USA) prior to my purchase. I did some research. I decided to gamble for once and lost my ass off. As far as your accusations of my working for Hogan, how are ya on geography and physics? Hogan is in Glendale, AZ. I am near the Ghetto in Michigan. I don't own nor work for a gun shop. So, I would stand to gain nothing from Hogan. And since were on opposite ends of the country, it would be hard for me to actually work for Hogan. Besides, for 13 years, I have chased bad guys for a living, not sell firearms. I am very well versed with the AR15 platform, among many many others and liked the design that POF had to offer. Frank promised me a great rifle that I would be able to carry on duty. Instead I was delivered a piece of shit. When I sent it back after opening the box, they sat on it and fed me bullshit and lies about when it would be done and returned. I think that qualifies me to be a bit pissed off at them. While doing further homework after getting assraped by POF, I stumbled onto Hogan Guns website. As far as Hogan Guns goes, I have loyalty to them as they built and sold me a quality firearm and their customer service has imo been second to none. A person can be happy about a company and want to see others be equally happy by spreading their positive experience and NOT actually work for that same company. |
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I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. KobraCarry, I did do my homework. I talked to Frank DeSomma (owner of POF USA) prior to my purchase. I did some research. I decided to gamble for once and lost my ass off. As far as your accusations of my working for Hogan, how are ya on geography and physics? Hogan is in Glendale, AZ. I am near the Ghetto in Michigan. I don't own nor work for a gun shop. So, I would stand to gain nothing from Hogan. And since were on opposite ends of the country, it would be hard for me to actually work for Hogan. Besides, for 13 years, I have chased bad guys for a living, not sell firearms. I am very well versed with the AR15 platform, among many many others and liked the design that POF had to offer. Frank promised me a great rifle that I would be able to carry on duty. Instead I was delivered a piece of shit. When I sent it back after opening the box, they sat on it and fed me bullshit and lies about when it would be done and returned. I think that qualifies me to be a bit pissed off at them. While doing further homework after getting assraped by POF, I stumbled onto Hogan Guns website. As far as Hogan Guns goes, I have loyalty to them as they built and sold me a quality firearm and their customer service has imo been second to none. A person can be happy about a company and want to see others be equally happy by spreading their positive experience and NOT actually work for that same company. Man, if you've been chasing perps in gangland Mich for 13 years, you must be the second coming of Jesse Owens! Be safe out there. |
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I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. KobraCarry, I did do my homework. I talked to Frank DeSomma (owner of POF USA) prior to my purchase. I did some research. I decided to gamble for once and lost my ass off. As far as your accusations of my working for Hogan, how are ya on geography and physics? Hogan is in Glendale, AZ. I am near the Ghetto in Michigan. I don't own nor work for a gun shop. So, I would stand to gain nothing from Hogan. And since were on opposite ends of the country, it would be hard for me to actually work for Hogan. Besides, for 13 years, I have chased bad guys for a living, not sell firearms. I am very well versed with the AR15 platform, among many many others and liked the design that POF had to offer. Frank promised me a great rifle that I would be able to carry on duty. Instead I was delivered a piece of shit. When I sent it back after opening the box, they sat on it and fed me bullshit and lies about when it would be done and returned. I think that qualifies me to be a bit pissed off at them. While doing further homework after getting assraped by POF, I stumbled onto Hogan Guns website. As far as Hogan Guns goes, I have loyalty to them as they built and sold me a quality firearm and their customer service has imo been second to none. A person can be happy about a company and want to see others be equally happy by spreading their positive experience and NOT actually work for that same company. Man, if you've been chasing perps in gangland Mich for 13 years, you must be the second coming of Jesse Owens! Be safe out there. Naaa, I'm nobody special. Just a guy doing his job.
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I also love when one guy has a problem with a particular brand or model one time and hits up every single Internet site to post his woes. Sounds like he might work for Hogan or another competitor. I hope you Internet ninjas are smart enough to do your own homework, research, etc and talk to actual owners of any major product you're about to drop coin on. I wouldn't spend several thousand on any gun without finding a buddy who has one or a place that rents one and make my own hands on opinion. Take the Internet with a grain of salt. KobraCarry, I did do my homework. I talked to Frank DeSomma (owner of POF USA) prior to my purchase. I did some research. I decided to gamble for once and lost my ass off. As far as your accusations of my working for Hogan, how are ya on geography and physics? Hogan is in Glendale, AZ. I am near the Ghetto in Michigan. I don't own nor work for a gun shop. So, I would stand to gain nothing from Hogan. And since were on opposite ends of the country, it would be hard for me to actually work for Hogan. Besides, for 13 years, I have chased bad guys for a living, not sell firearms. I am very well versed with the AR15 platform, among many many others and liked the design that POF had to offer. Frank promised me a great rifle that I would be able to carry on duty. Instead I was delivered a piece of shit. When I sent it back after opening the box, they sat on it and fed me bullshit and lies about when it would be done and returned. I think that qualifies me to be a bit pissed off at them. While doing further homework after getting assraped by POF, I stumbled onto Hogan Guns website. As far as Hogan Guns goes, I have loyalty to them as they built and sold me a quality firearm and their customer service has imo been second to none. A person can be happy about a company and want to see others be equally happy by spreading their positive experience and NOT actually work for that same company. Man, if you've been chasing perps in gangland Mich for 13 years, you must be the second coming of Jesse Owens! Be safe out there. Naaa, I'm nobody special. Just a guy doing his job.
edit for spelling Well I'm sorry to hear about the issues you had. Sadly I've just seen so many times on the Internet that when someones has one bad experience they take it to the limits of hate. Hell, we've all had a bad experience with something we've bought. Kind of like the Gen 4 Glock issues. So many folks went from loving Glocks to bashing them after some issues. Blows me away. I'm not defending POF by any means. I'm new to them and love their products based on my own use. I too spent 20 years chasing bad guys and am well versed in the AR world after working SWAT for too long to want to remember. One thing I learned over the yeqars is that some companies make great products but know don't didly about dealing with people. Some companies have the best marketing in the world but can't make a product that workds. To each his own. Be safe. |
| I'll agree with ya there sir. Too many company's that make great products have crappy customer service. That's why I love Hogan Gun's so much. They actually get it. A premium rifle and premium customer service to match. If you go back and read my POF experience, you will see what I'm talking about. I too can't stand it when someone has a small bad experience and then goes and bashes a company. Usually, it's that persons fault partially for not entirely communicating... In my case, Frank DeSomma made it personal and was a prick to me while dealing with my POS rifle. That's why I feel the way that I do about them. |
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I'll agree with ya there sir. Too many company's that make great products have crappy customer service. That's why I love Hogan Gun's so much. They actually get it. A premium rifle and premium customer service to match. If you go back and read my POF experience, you will see what I'm talking about. I too can't stand it when someone has a small bad experience and then goes and bashes a company. Usually, it's that persons fault partially for not entirely communicating... In my case, Frank DeSomma made it personal and was a prick to me while dealing with my POS rifle. That's why I feel the way that I do about them. That sucks you had to deal with that. I owned a few Wilson Combat 1911's back in the day and made a switch to Ed Brown and Les Baer; both known for awesome products. However, sadly, both their customer service sucked when I had issues with thier big money guns, so that lost a fan for life. It's too bad POF ruined it for you. I love my POF and hope to never deal with an issue like you. Even my local POF dealer told me straight forward (and he sells Hogan and other custom brands), that he felt POF made the top dog model, but he was clear that sometimes their customer service was crap and that if ever had an issue, which he didn't expect me to, that he would take care of working with POF so I didn't need to. But just like buying a truck from Ford, Chevy or Dodge, once the warranty is over, I go to my own mechanic, just like I'd go to my own gunsmith. :) |
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I'll agree with ya there sir. Too many company's that make great products have crappy customer service. That's why I love Hogan Gun's so much. They actually get it. A premium rifle and premium customer service to match. If you go back and read my POF experience, you will see what I'm talking about. I too can't stand it when someone has a small bad experience and then goes and bashes a company. Usually, it's that persons fault partially for not entirely communicating... In my case, Frank DeSomma made it personal and was a prick to me while dealing with my POS rifle. That's why I feel the way that I do about them. That sucks you had to deal with that. I owned a few Wilson Combat 1911's back in the day and made a switch to Ed Brown and Les Baer; both known for awesome products. However, sadly, both their customer service sucked when I had issues with thier big money guns, so that lost a fan for life. It's too bad POF ruined it for you. I love my POF and hope to never deal with an issue like you. Even my local POF dealer told me straight forward (and he sells Hogan and other custom brands), that he felt POF made the top dog model, but he was clear that sometimes their customer service was crap and that if ever had an issue, which he didn't expect me to, that he would take care of working with POF so I didn't need to. But just like buying a truck from Ford, Chevy or Dodge, once the warranty is over, I go to my own mechanic, just like I'd go to my own gunsmith. :) I hear ya sir. I'll never buy another Government Motors car again....... As for your local dealer, if he told you that he felt that POF was the "top dog model" and he sells both POF & Hogan, then he's probably getting a kick back and/or getting the POF rifles cheaper and making more profit off of you. After-all, he is in the business of making money. I say this because Hogan used to make all of POF's rifles originally. They do not anymore, and went their own way. Hogan Manufacturing made Hogan Guns and now manufacturers, treats, assembles, and ships the final product to their customers. POF has found a 3rd party supplier to make their rifles for them. If you call and ask advice from Frank's son who is their "armorer" then you will see that they don't make their own rifles..... Some of the shit he told me to do as well as what he has told others is just insane. Do some digging and see if you can find out what your gun guy is paying for each rifle and you may see what I'm talking about. I'd rather get a rifles from the company who designs it, manufacturers it, and builds it themselves. Of the few questions I have asked of Hogan Guns, I have had them answered quick and with enthusiasm. Plus, I have no idea who the lady that answers their phones is, but she just seems so happy to be there, seriously. 
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Ill throw in my two cents. I have had my POF P416 for about six months. I too chase the scraglies around in the night and have had my fair share of time behind the gun. After reading extensively about the P416 I finally took the leap and bought one. In the six months I've owned it I've probably put about 2500-3000 rounds through it. When I first got it I took it to a carbine course and found that it was having some issues while running suppressed. I emailed POF and sent it in for repairs. Less than two weeks after sending it in I got it back and it runs like a top. I've shot this thing hard running it suppressed and using the occasional fun button/ bullet hose. Maybe I got lucky and got a good rifle along with good CS. In my opinion they are great guns although they do get heavy about the second day in. Be safe out there.
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