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Posted: 3/10/2012 10:04:40 AM EDT
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Thanks guys for the input on the PWS rifle, I am so impressed with it, the light weight, smooth action and -different recoil- that I put my SCAR up for sale.
This was after a side by side comparison, shooting failure drills at 25 yards. Yup The PWS is the new go to gun. It takes just about any mag and is just as durable if not more. I am not saying the SCAR isn't a dependable weapon, just that the PWS is more user friendly and affordable. The operating system allows for easier second shot acquisition, you don't need a cleaning rod to tap out the piston and again you have more options with mags ect. Plus PWS is famous for their great customer service. The only complaint I do have are the sling attachments. I would rather have an ASAP or GGG instead of the snap in quick detach thing. A bit of 550 cord fixed that. I will be looking at the shorty version when they become legal in my home state and possibly the 308 |
| Pictures please...I am not a doubter but many that have a SCAR tend to have left a piston AR to one and never looked back. Those that call it a range toy have never shot one. It is an opinion but the SCAR has been battle tested, quite accurate...I believe more than a PWS and second shot with the FSC556 brake on every SCAR makes second shots very easy. Ergonomics...I am an AR guy but I love the SCAR Ergs the ACR even better when I had one...it was just oo nose heavy for me. I need more proof. |
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Pictures please...I am not a doubter but many that have a SCAR tend to have left a piston AR to one and never looked back. Those that call it a range toy have never shot one. It is an opinion but the SCAR has been battle tested, quite accurate...I believe more than a PWS and second shot with the FSC556 brake on every SCAR makes second shots very easy. Ergonomics...I am an AR guy but I love the SCAR Ergs the ACR even better when I had one...it was just oo nose heavy for me. I need more proof. The PWS also has an FSC556. In fact, they make them. |
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Pictures please...I am not a doubter but many that have a SCAR tend to have left a piston AR to one and never looked back. Those that call it a range toy have never shot one. It is an opinion but the SCAR has been battle tested, quite accurate...I believe more than a PWS and second shot with the FSC556 brake on every SCAR makes second shots very easy. Ergonomics...I am an AR guy but I love the SCAR Ergs the ACR even better when I had one...it was just oo nose heavy for me. I need more proof. You're not shooting fast enough if you think follow up shots are easier than with any AR (piston or DI). Battle tested? Sure. Guess what, SEALs HATE them. (mk16, not mk17) |
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I put Geissele triggers in my carbines and the one for the SCAR is double the price over one for any AR.
I also prefer Magpul PMags and while I can use the new EMag with a SCAR the fact I can use anything in a PWS but selected magazines in a SCAR is a turn off from a practical stand point. Not knocking the SCAR, great gun but it does nothing a PWS can not do as well is heavier less available to accessories and cost a huge amount more for no advantage I have seen to date.. I am sure if I had a SCAR i would love it but the above mentioned items will prevent that from happening Wulfmann |
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Pictures please...I am not a doubter but many that have a SCAR tend to have left a piston AR to one and never looked back. Those that call it a range toy have never shot one. It is an opinion but the SCAR has been battle tested, quite accurate...I believe more than a PWS and second shot with the FSC556 brake on every SCAR makes second shots very easy. Ergonomics...I am an AR guy but I love the SCAR Ergs the ACR even better when I had one...it was just oo nose heavy for me. I need more proof. The PWS also has an FSC556. In fact, they make them. It uses an SM556...obviously from PWS as well |
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Pictures please...I am not a doubter but many that have a SCAR tend to have left a piston AR to one and never looked back. Those that call it a range toy have never shot one. It is an opinion but the SCAR has been battle tested, quite accurate...I believe more than a PWS and second shot with the FSC556 brake on every SCAR makes second shots very easy. Ergonomics...I am an AR guy but I love the SCAR Ergs the ACR even better when I had one...it was just oo nose heavy for me. I need more proof. You're not shooting fast enough if you think follow up shots are easier than with any AR (piston or DI). Battle tested? Sure. Guess what, SEALs HATE them. (mk16, not mk17) I think this is mixed bag of opinions for I have heard they dont like the 416 either...at its weight...I dont blame them. But I'm not a seal |
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There are certainly many fine options for piston carbines and all are worthwhile.
We all have various tastes and nuances that may cause different priorities. There is not one correct gun. the one you like is the right one for you However, if I was not going to go PWS HK would be behind most other options, but, strictly my opinion. First would be the Sig 516 because of price and excellent performance =great value (happen to have one and it is flawless) Next the LWRC SPR although too expensive for their answer to the PWS MK1 it is a very sweet gun Then a couple more LWRCs and LMT and so on but I would go SCAR before HK MR556 and considering I usually have the greatest respect and desire for HK products I just feel the high price for nothing but too much weight for little to no gain in anyway plus still can't use PMags??? I will pass HK would do well to follow LWRC (SPR) and make something to compete with PWS for light weight and better balance. I don't mind weight for a target gun, my White Oaks squashes down on the scale at 15 pounds but when we talk off hand walk about fast action guns weight and balance matters, at least to me. Wulfmann |
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... So? How is your business how much I post? Common tactic used by business. Come on to forums and talk up a product. I'm not saying you are doing that but it did seem suspicious that all the people talking up PWS had low post counts and new join dates. |
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... So? How is your business how much I post? Common tactic used by business. Come on to forums and talk up a product. I'm not saying you are doing that but it did seem suspicious that all the people talking up PWS had low post counts and new join dates. So newish members aren't common? 
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... So? How is your business how much I post? Common tactic used by business. Come on to forums and talk up a product. I'm not saying you are doing that but it did seem suspicious that all the people talking up PWS had low post counts and new join dates. So newish members aren't common? I never said that
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... I love my PWS/ADDAX piston upper. I guess I'm odd. No you're not. I have a Mk216 and a Mk116 and love'em both. I really couldn't be happier. |
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Quoted: after the hurricanes a lot of my friends made fuel and food runs into bad sections of towns to bring supplies to others and egressing a vehicle with an ar with a fixed stock was one of the issues they discussed, many wished for a side folder Quoted: can you fire the PWS with the stock folded while exiting a vehicle? If he wanted to play "A-Team", he could always get a Mini-14. |
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Really , I just read that article ,that they switched do to the reliability issues with m4. They also said that seals used it to bin laden . Which m16 do they use ? when i was i was in we had the A2 . Quoted:
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I was just wondering why the marines switched to them .They are talking it up ,saying its the most accurate ar built. The marines didnt switch to anything. Marines use the M27, m16 and m4 Marsoc uses SOPMOD Block II M4A1's and CQB-R |
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Really , I just read that article ,that they switched do to the reliability issues with m4. They also said that seals used it to bin laden . Which m16 do they use ? when i was i was in we had the A2 . Quoted:
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I was just wondering why the marines switched to them .They are talking it up ,saying its the most accurate ar built. The marines didnt switch to anything. Marines use the M27, m16 and m4 Marsoc uses SOPMOD Block II M4A1's and CQB-R Standard M16A4's, standard M4's and now they have the M27 IAR. MARSOC(Marine Special Operations Command) use SOPMOD Block II M4A1's and CQB-R's. SOCOM had the SCAR-L for a little but decided it didnt do anything better than their M4's and stopped buying it. They do still use the SCAR-H since its one of the best battle rifles out today. As for OBL ive heard two different reports from different news medias, one sayd it was the 10.4" HK416, others have said it was a Mk18. No actual proof has been shown in either case. |
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... I wonder how many posts it takes before an opinion can be considered valid? I just bought an MK114 after at least three years of semi-studious research. I looked at every design without consideration of price. I wanted the best. LWRCs are fabulous, they execute their design with industry setting standards. It's just the DESIGN I don't like. LMT, Adams, POF, and most every other piston out there is basically the same short-stroke, metal-slamming-metal, off-axis design and I couldn't accept it. Add to that the (relatively) complicated access to some of the systems, with small parts to drop in the sand/grass and lose, springs exposed to high-heat...not for me. So far, I am VERY satisfied with my decision, and if anything comes up that might change that...you all will be the first to know. |
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Seems kinda odd that all the people posting about PWS have 50 or 60 posts and a join date of last year..... I wonder how many posts it takes before an opinion can be considered valid? I just bought an MK114 after at least three years of semi-studious research. I looked at every design without consideration of price. I wanted the best. LWRCs are fabulous, they execute their design with industry setting standards. It's just the DESIGN I don't like. LMT, Adams, POF, and most every other piston out there is basically the same short-stroke, metal-slamming-metal, off-axis design and I couldn't accept it. Add to that the (relatively) complicated access to some of the systems, with small parts to drop in the sand/grass and lose, springs exposed to high-heat...not for me. So far, I am VERY satisfied with my decision, and if anything comes up that might change that...you all will be the first to know. Believe it or not guerrilla marketing does exist. When I see a lot of low posters talking up a product I do get suspicious. Nothing against PWS. I'm glad you guys confirmed they are GTG. |
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