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Posted: 12/20/2009 10:03:24 PM EDT
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In the American Rifleman is the NEW SIG516
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-12/200912169137-sig516.pdf With a Suggested Retail Price: $1,300 , street price should be around or below $1,150 . |
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wow that Piston set up looks familiar ? hhhmmmm... Adams Arms ! Looks nothing like an AA  Look again , their piston rod cup is a little longer but its the same design right down to the spigot that mounts in the gas block. The carrier IMO, is a dead ringer for an LWRC carrier. The gas block adjustments are also unique to the SIG556, as is the built-in bayonet lug, VS the A.A. model. Even so, I'm going to keep my eye on these, and will most likely pick one up when they become available. Really interested in seeing that .308 model though! 
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wow that Piston set up looks familiar ? hhhmmmm... Adams Arms ! Looks nothing like an AA Look again , their piston rod cup is a little longer but its the same design right down to the spigot that mounts in the gas block. The carrier IMO, is a dead ringer for an LWRC carrier. The gas block adjustments are also unique to the SIG556, as is the built-in bayonet lug, VS the A.A. model. Even so, I'm going to keep my eye on these, and will most likely pick one up when they become available. Really interested in seeing that .308 model though!
Just talked with Sig today and he siad that it would be the biggest part of a year before thay are ready for the market. He also said that the one on the cover of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN is the first one out. I'm like you I will be waiting for this one and hopefully it will be sooner than later. If the MSRP is at $1300.00 you should be able to pick one for around $1100.00. Lots of good things on this gun and they did it right with a 3LB trigger, somthing Ruger should have did with there SR556. |
Anybody notice the selector switch installed on the right side of the reciever in the cover and centerfold pics? Pic on page 72 has it installed on the left side. Not sure it can be switched around like that and operate properly. I've built four AR's and didn't notice that they could be installed on either side; especially since there are no stops milled on the right side. Am I missing something? Someone set my ignorance straight
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Anybody notice the selector switch installed on the right side of the reciever in the cover and centerfold pics? Pic on page 72 has it installed on the left side. Not sure it can be switched around like that and operate properly. I've built four AR's and didn't notice that they could be installed on either side; especially since there are no stops milled on the right side. Am I missing something? Someone set my ignorance straight Centerfold pic model has an ambidextrous selector. |
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Anybody notice the selector switch installed on the right side of the reciever in the cover and centerfold pics? Pic on page 72 has it installed on the left side. Not sure it can be switched around like that and operate properly. I've built four AR's and didn't notice that they could be installed on either side; especially since there are no stops milled on the right side. Am I missing something? Someone set my ignorance straight Centerfold pic model has an ambidextrous selector. Cool  I am assuming the pin extends past the receiver and selector is then held in place by a hex or torx screw? I didn't notice, but did AR mention the Sig will have the ambi selector as standard or an option?
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Why on earth do they insist of putting that stupid M-203 cut on the barrel? I don't much care for carbine length handguards either. I see future complaints of people burning their hands on the gas block. At least Ruger had sense enough to put a midlength or longer handguard and a decent barrel profile on theirs instead of going after the Airsoft crowd.
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The carrier IMO, is a dead ringer for an LWRC carrier. Apparently LWRC thinks so too. They slapped a cease and desist order on SIG for ripping off their design. Hat tip to Alston on Tam's View From the Porch blog. LWRC thinks SIG just bought one from their webstore and threw it in. Here's the comments from straight from LWRC: http://forum.lwrci.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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I shot a Sig 552 years back, and I can't imagine why they didnt' produce that exact gun in a semi auto and 16" to break itno the US market.
This rifle just feels like they'er trying to make up fro that gun and save face and jump itno a hot market right now.. I'm not interested. |
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The carrier IMO, is a dead ringer for an LWRC carrier. Apparently LWRC thinks so too. They slapped a cease and desist order on SIG for ripping off their design. Hat tip to Alston on Tam's View From the Porch blog. LWRC thinks SIG just bought one from their webstore and threw it in. Here's the comments from straight from LWRC: http://forum.lwrci.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Hmmm ... if SIG doesn't claim it's some kind of proprietary, patented design of theirs, what's wrong with using an LWRC carrier? I mean, lots of AR mfr's use other guys' parts ... how many AR's have CMMG carriers, for example? Especially since this is an early-build example, I don't doubt they didn't try to re-invent the wheel. There are only so many ways to modify a gas key to make it an impact point for a piston rod. . . |
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The carrier IMO, is a dead ringer for an LWRC carrier. Apparently LWRC thinks so too. They slapped a cease and desist order on SIG for ripping off their design. Hat tip to Alston on Tam's View From the Porch blog. LWRC thinks SIG just bought one from their webstore and threw it in. Here's the comments from straight from LWRC: http://forum.lwrci.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Hmmm ... if SIG doesn't claim it's some kind of proprietary, patented design of theirs, what's wrong with using an LWRC carrier? I mean, lots of AR mfr's use other guys' parts ... how many AR's have CMMG carriers, for example? Especially since this is an early-build example, I don't doubt they didn't try to re-invent the wheel. There are only so many ways to modify a gas key to make it an impact point for a piston rod. . . In the American Rifleman article on pages 72 and 74, SIG implies the bolt carrier was their own design, at least the way I read it. They referred to the entire piston system as "proprietary" on page 46, also implying it was SIG's design. I consider the modified bolt carrier as part of a gas piston system. They can use LWRC's carrier all they want, they just can't claim it's their design. I suspect SIG will have to cut a check to LWRC for being stupid, but that will probably be the end of it as long as they admit it's LWRC's carrier they're using. |
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Why on earth do they insist of putting that stupid M-203 cut on the barrel? I don't much care for carbine length handguards either. I see future complaints of people burning their hands on the gas block. At least Ruger had sense enough to put a midlength or longer handguard and a decent barrel profile on theirs instead of going after the Airsoft crowd. I'll pass. Ditto. I'm a Sig fan... I have a 556 and love it. But before I buy this one, I'd buy the Ruger. I don't get the neverending M-203 cut either. Never have. |
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If the price stays at $1300, this gun has alot of value. I have high hopes for this to be reliable and have a msrp at or below $1300. For some reason I think the msrp will be closer to $1600 when it is released but let's hope not. I was surprised by the $1300 MSRP, too. In fact, I won't lie - that and the SIG name make it a winner for me before I even see it in the flesh. I figure a $1300 MSRP will translate to a gun show price of about $1050 in my area, and that's more than enough to get me pistoning, especially with the extra stuff already on it (sights, rail, stock). But you may be right - it may creep up in price before it hits the market. . . |
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Ermac,
Pistons are more reliable (theoretically) in firing and extracting the round; the benefits are generally realized through direct kinetic cycling and decreased heat retention within the weapon system. In short, the benefits of pistons don't have much to do with chambering a round, outside of keeping the receiver cooler. The AR system still has to overcome potential problems with the magazine, with the tilting-cam design, and with feed ramps. Thus, the forward assist is still something nice to have, just in case. I'd rather have and not need, than need and not have. |
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Ermac, Pistons are more reliable (theoretically) in firing and extracting the round; the benefits are generally realized through direct kinetic cycling and decreased heat retention within the weapon system. In short, the benefits of pistons don't have much to do with chambering a round, outside of keeping the receiver cooler. The AR system still has to overcome potential problems with the magazine, with the tilting-cam design, and with feed ramps. Thus, the forward assist is still something nice to have, just in case. I'd rather have and not need, than need and not have. Dosen't the pmag solve those problems? |
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Sorry, but I don't think the Troy BUIS are part of the deal. If you read the "Rifleman" specs table under sights, it says "Picatinny rail equipped". That makes this rifle deal $250 less desirable and puts the estimated street price + Troy BUIS cost back up into the $1350 range.
If the rifle comes equipped with the BUIS I agree the price point would make this a pretty nice piston rifle for the dough with the SOPMOD, MIAD and a decent trigger standard options. |
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I am really sorry to hear it will take the better part of a year for these to be available. I was hoping they would be out right after SHOT. If the final configuration and price are what was shown in The American Rifleman, it will be a category killer. I'll be all over it.
Just talked with Sig today and he siad that it would be the biggest part of a year before thay are ready for the market. He also said that the one on the cover of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN is the first one out. I'm like you I will be waiting for this one and hopefully it will be sooner than later. If the MSRP is at $1300.00 you should be able to pick one for around $1100.00. Lots of good things on this gun and they did it right with a 3LB trigger, somthing Ruger should have did with there SR556. |
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I am really sorry to hear it will take the better part of a year for these to be available. I was hoping they would be out right after SHOT. If the final configuration and price are what was shown in The American Rifleman, it will be a category killer. I'll be all over it.
Just talked with Sig today and he siad that it would be the biggest part of a year before thay are ready for the market. He also said that the one on the cover of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN is the first one out. I'm like you I will be waiting for this one and hopefully it will be sooner than later. If the MSRP is at $1300.00 you should be able to pick one for around $1100.00. Lots of good things on this gun and they did it right with a 3LB trigger, somthing Ruger should have did with there SR556. It'd be hilarious if they came out after the ACR did. |
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I am really sorry to hear it will take the better part of a year for these to be available. I was hoping they would be out right after SHOT. If the final configuration and price are what was shown in The American Rifleman, it will be a category killer. I'll be all over it.
Just talked with Sig today and he siad that it would be the biggest part of a year before thay are ready for the market. He also said that the one on the cover of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN is the first one out. I'm like you I will be waiting for this one and hopefully it will be sooner than later. If the MSRP is at $1300.00 you should be able to pick one for around $1100.00. Lots of good things on this gun and they did it right with a 3LB trigger, somthing Ruger should have did with there SR556. It'd be hilarious if they came out after the ACR did. I doubt it will take SIG 3 years to get the 516 out though. |
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I am excited for this one. SOPMOD stock, 3lb trigger, troy sights, Magpul grip, 1:7 barrel, accurate, piston design for less than $1300. That is a winner in my book :) I'm in the same boat for the same reasons, this may be my first piston AR. Out of the box I don't have to change anything, and it's 1 to 1.5 MOA. |
| Looks like a very solid rifle at a very good price to me. $1300 with the features and reputation it comes with may well change the pricing structure for a lot of companies. Interesting that it appears they cloned the LWRC carrier as well as very clearly burrowed form the Adams design in the piston. Looks to me like they owe some money to some folks for burrowed R&D. If S&W can pay Adams for the right to use their design Sig can pay Adams and LWRC. Perhaps Sig thinks if you steal pieces of two designs the acts of theft cancel out and you are not a thief. |
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Looks like a very solid rifle at a very good price to me. $1300 with the features and reputation it comes with may well change the pricing structure for a lot of companies. Interesting that it appears they cloned the LWRC carrier as well as very clearly burrowed form the Adams design in the piston. Looks to me like they owe some money to some folks for burrowed R&D. If S&W can pay Adams for the right to use their design Sig can pay Adams and LWRC. Perhaps Sig thinks if you steal pieces of two designs the acts of theft cancel out and you are not a thief. There's only so many ways to skin a cat (or build a piston system), and all you have to do to avoid a patent infringement is to modify the item in some meaningful way to improve or change its workings. The fact someone's piston system might look a little like someone else's doesn't mean it was stolen. I'm expecting SIG's system to be an improvement on existing designs. . . |
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