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8/31/2016 4:09:01 PM EDT
I just picked up this Bushmaster XM15-E2S for $600.00 from someone in need of money.

Serial # L5009XX

Seller said it's unfired, and it appears to be true. Not a mark on it.

It has the older rear sight. 14.5" barrel with 1.5 FH.

It does have the older Bushmaster logo. Any help would be great.

Been googling sites all day for the date of manufacture, but it's taking a while. Appears to be post ban, however.


8/31/2016 4:28:55 PM EDT
[#1]
Why not call Bushmaster and get the date of manufacture from them?

I don't think I've ever seen a factory BM with an M4 barrel and A1 upper before.
8/31/2016 4:29:14 PM EDT
[#2]
Can you post photos of the other side of the upper ?
Looking for forge marks. And other hints.
8/31/2016 4:34:38 PM EDT
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I will later tonight.
8/31/2016 4:35:10 PM EDT
[#4]
I wouldn't call it "retro"

the pistol grip is A2,  the stock is too new for retro, as is the barrel.

but with a little work.....

It kinda looks like an Israeli carbine

8/31/2016 4:37:30 PM EDT
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I wouldn't call it "retro"

the pistol grip is A2,  the stock is too new for retro, as is the barrel.

but with a little work.....

It kinda looks like an Israeli carbine

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I've been looking for the older stocks on the EE, but you savages keep buying them all up.

Thinking of going for a BHD theme, I think.

Off to find that thread.
8/31/2016 5:42:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Looks like a put together to me. Not retro.
It is what it is.
Personally I would keep it together and shoot it. I wouldn't put any money into it to make it retro.

8/31/2016 5:54:25 PM EDT
[#7]
You can call Bushmaster and they'll tell the month and year made.
I have a Bushmaster, L393XXX, made in 2006.
Bushmaster made their Patrolman series with A1/C7 style uppers and the 14.5" M4 profile barrel with the 1/9 rifling.
If the OP's has a three slot flash hider, it's a Bushmaster.
They had 2 extended flash hider options, and the three slot was the most common.
I think they discontinued them, not sure how long ago. They don't list them in their current catalog.
You can find them on GB, just search 'Bushmaster A1' and a few will pop up.
8/31/2016 6:07:03 PM EDT
[#8]
Bushmaster was selling this combo several years ago.  With a different stock, perfect RO723 clone.
8/31/2016 6:35:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Get a Fiberite Stock (or a clone from MA Parts) an A1 Grip, and it could be an Air Force Franken carbine GUU-5/P.
8/31/2016 7:32:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Not retro but it has lots of value.

What you have hiding in there is a pre ban lower.

Very valuable in some states.

In those states the fact that it may have not been fully assembled before the ban was implemented does not matter, just that it was made before a certain date.

Below L051000 - Assembled Pre-Ban Rifles and some pre-94 lowers.**
L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers (Call to verify)
L063001 and Up - Post-Ban

L063000 and below are worth more, a lot more. Like maybe double what you paid for the whole gun just for the lower.

Strip the lower and sell it. use the money to build what ever you want.

8/31/2016 7:34:43 PM EDT
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I wouldn't call it "retro"

the pistol grip is A2,  the stock is too new for retro, as is the barrel.
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These days pretty much anything with a carry handle and no quad rail or optics is a "retro".
8/31/2016 7:46:29 PM EDT
[#12]
That is a gorgeous little carbine.
8/31/2016 7:52:59 PM EDT
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Not retro but it has lots of value.

What you have hiding in there is a pre ban lower.

Very valuable in some states.

In those states the fact that it may have not been fully assembled before the ban was implemented does not matter, just that it was made before a certain date.

Below L051000 - Assembled Pre-Ban Rifles and some pre-94 lowers.**
L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers (Call to verify)
L063001 and Up - Post-Ban

L063000 and below are worth more, a lot more. Like maybe double what you paid for the whole gun just for the lower.

Strip the lower and sell it. use the money to build what ever you want.

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The only problem is the OPs serial number is L5009XX not a L051000 up or below L063000 so that still makes it post-ban and unfortunately not the extremely valuable in some states pre-ban.  With a few mods (buttstock, grip, & flash hider) still a nice retro-ish looking carbine shooter though!
8/31/2016 8:02:37 PM EDT
[#14]
Throw a CAR stock on there and you have yourself a nice little 723.

Pics of the starboard side?
8/31/2016 8:08:31 PM EDT
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Throw a CAR stock on there and you have yourself a nice little 723.

Pics of the starboard side?
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I think we are all waiting to see the "Brunton Bump" since it is most likely a C7 style upper.  Definitely a good choice for a 723, then you can keep the grip.  Might need a different forward assist though.  I guess we will know once we see what's hiding on the other side of that upper.
8/31/2016 8:22:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Well that's what I get for posting during happy hour.

Ignore what I just said. Not pre ban.

Back to my beer!


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The only problem is the OPs serial number is L5009XX not a L051000 up or below L063000 so that still makes it post-ban and unfortunately not the extremely valuable in some states pre-ban.  With a few mods (buttstock, grip, & flash hider) still a nice retro-ish looking carbine shooter though!
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Not retro but it has lots of value.

What you have hiding in there is a pre ban lower.

Very valuable in some states.

In those states the fact that it may have not been fully assembled before the ban was implemented does not matter, just that it was made before a certain date.

Below L051000 - Assembled Pre-Ban Rifles and some pre-94 lowers.**
L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers (Call to verify)
L063001 and Up - Post-Ban

L063000 and below are worth more, a lot more. Like maybe double what you paid for the whole gun just for the lower.

Strip the lower and sell it. use the money to build what ever you want.



The only problem is the OPs serial number is L5009XX not a L051000 up or below L063000 so that still makes it post-ban and unfortunately not the extremely valuable in some states pre-ban.  With a few mods (buttstock, grip, & flash hider) still a nice retro-ish looking carbine shooter though!

8/31/2016 8:31:13 PM EDT
[#17]
Not really what I'd call retro but more like retro arsenal refurbished.  

Bushmaster made those in pre-ban and post ban flavors.  Had a few of them over the years but all mine were 16" barrelled with M16A1E1 style receiver or A-1 sight with shell deflector or what some refer to as C-7 style difference being M-16A1E1 is USA and C-7 is Canadian mfg besides barrel quality and a few smalls.   Pretty sure the BM 14.5" carbines were only available with pinned and welded Izzy or AK style muzzle brake unless purchased through Custom Shop or as LEO.

16 inch
Pre-ban came with hi capacity 20 or 30 rd mag, A-2 FH, bayonet lug and adjustable M-4 stock.
Post ban came with one or two 10 round mags, Izzy or AK style muzzle brake, non adjustable pinned M-4 copy stock and bayonet lug delete.

LGS clearanced them off in approximately 2005-06 for $599 with BM hard case, sling and lock if memory serves,  which was a deal at the time. Thinking BM moved from Windham,ME in 2006ish.  

The BM carbines I've owned and fired in both 14.5 and 16 inch were extremely accurate and really a good value for what they were,  being 1-9 twist and the actual price paid for the times.  Most the other vendors had long since switched to A-2 receivers.  In comparison Colt 6520 NIB was around $900 on sale or $300 more.  I still have my Colt and the BM's have long since found different homes but really not apples to apples.  I still have some early BM component builds using mostly their barrels in superlite, A-2 , and Hbar/ match profile. Only negative I ever really saw was AR-15 style carrier with feint key staking at best.  Never seen one loosen up but personal preference is true USGI M-16 or upper tier BCG's. The pinned non adjust M-4 copy stocks were kinda rubbish but I never really cared for the adjustable M-4 either.

8/31/2016 8:31:21 PM EDT
[#18]
A few more pics before I fire down some pumpkin ale and go off to bed.
Thanks for all the replies.
As to the SN, when I saw the first number as a "5" I was excited, then reality set in.




No other markings, I can see, without removing the handguards.
Bolt does have very faint staking, and it did come with the original, black Bushmaster carrying case.
8/31/2016 8:53:45 PM EDT
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I don't think I've ever seen a factory BM with an M4 barrel and A1 upper before.
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I have - it was my first AR

As stated, swap the stock and you have an easy RO723 clone. They're good carbines.
8/31/2016 8:55:09 PM EDT
[#20]
That thing is hot. Does it have M4 ramps?
8/31/2016 9:05:19 PM EDT
[#21]
Find yourself a notched large head forward assist and a CAR stock.
8/31/2016 9:06:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes, it has M4 ramps.
I also have quite a few of the standard, black Bushmaster web slings.
I'll order the CAR stock from MA in the morning.

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8/31/2016 9:11:27 PM EDT
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Yes, it has M4 ramps.
I also have quite a few of the standard, black Bushmaster web slings.
I'll order the CAR stock from MA in the morning.

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Paint it.

ETA: The furniture, not the rifle.
8/31/2016 9:13:31 PM EDT
[#24]
If you get a m&a stock it will be mil spec and if the buffer tube on the bushmaster is commercial it wont fit. It looks like you hv a early bushmaster lower with a later prodution upper. I like bushmasters.
8/31/2016 9:26:25 PM EDT
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Yes, it has M4 ramps.
I also have quite a few of the standard, black Bushmaster web slings.
I'll order the CAR stock from MA in the morning.

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You will need the CAR stock assembly, not just the CAR stock body. The Bushmaster does not have a mil-spec buffer tube. Model 1 Sales also has a mil-spec CAR stock assembly. I have used several of them.
8/31/2016 9:33:40 PM EDT
[#26]
Nice little rifle.  I would personally leave it alone and enjoy as is.
8/31/2016 9:51:21 PM EDT
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Nice little rifle.  I would personally leave it alone and enjoy as is.
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Where's the fun in that?

As for the buffer tube, I have a few in the parts bin, but never hurts to get a few more.
I think the MA kit is $60. Not too bad.
9/1/2016 11:52:05 AM EDT
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GREAT looking Carbine, and that you got this LNIB Bushy Carbine at a decent price is always nice !

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Now's the time to stock up if you can...




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