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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:30:37 PM EDT
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What can you gentlemen tell me about these rifles, more importantly the lower receivers.
Would one of the lowers be a good host for a modern complete upper. Will it accommodate a modern LPK? Are the take down holes the same size as modern upper receivers? Would a serial #EA102xx be considered a real pre-ban? I live in CT. so..... I have the opportunity to buy one but want to put a new complete upper on the lower. |
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard.
those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. 
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard. those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165706.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165717.jpg Yeah...it is grey like like yours. I had the serial number wrong, it is #10605. Is this a pre-ban? I cant see from the pic I have if there is a EA in front of the number and cant see if there is a -2 after it. |
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard. those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165706.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165717.jpg Yeah...it is grey like like yours. I had the serial number wrong, it is #10605. Is this a pre-ban? I cant see from the pic I have if there is a EA in front of the number and cant see if there is a -2 after it. all J-15 are preban. J-15-F are postban forged. they made some J-15-2 that were postban cast ones as well. essential arms sold the tooling to dpms before the ban. early DPMS had cast lowers that looked like these. not all cast DPMS are preban though. they made them past the ban before they switched to forged. after the ban sunset, essential arms got back in the lower business. |
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all J-15 are preban. J-15-F are postban forged. they made some J-15-2 that were postban cast ones as well. essential arms sold the tooling to dpms before the ban. early DPMS had cast lowers that looked like these. not all cast DPMS are preban though. they made them past the ban before they switched to forged. after the ban sunset, essential arms got back in the lower business. Quoted:
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard. those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165706.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165717.jpg Yeah...it is grey like like yours. I had the serial number wrong, it is #10605. Is this a pre-ban? I cant see from the pic I have if there is a EA in front of the number and cant see if there is a -2 after it. all J-15 are preban. J-15-F are postban forged. they made some J-15-2 that were postban cast ones as well. essential arms sold the tooling to dpms before the ban. early DPMS had cast lowers that looked like these. not all cast DPMS are preban though. they made them past the ban before they switched to forged. after the ban sunset, essential arms got back in the lower business. Without being able to see the serial number clearly, there is no way to determine if this is one of the J-15-2 post ban reveivers. This is what I am afraid of....it being a post ban. |
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Without being able to see the serial number clearly, there is no way to determine if this is one of the J-15-2 post ban reveivers. This is what I am afraid of....it being a post ban. Quoted:
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard. those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165706.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165717.jpg Yeah...it is grey like like yours. I had the serial number wrong, it is #10605. Is this a pre-ban? I cant see from the pic I have if there is a EA in front of the number and cant see if there is a -2 after it. all J-15 are preban. J-15-F are postban forged. they made some J-15-2 that were postban cast ones as well. essential arms sold the tooling to dpms before the ban. early DPMS had cast lowers that looked like these. not all cast DPMS are preban though. they made them past the ban before they switched to forged. after the ban sunset, essential arms got back in the lower business. Without being able to see the serial number clearly, there is no way to determine if this is one of the J-15-2 post ban reveivers. This is what I am afraid of....it being a post ban. can you ask them to verify the model number? if you have the serial, you can call essential arms and they can verify it for you. fwiw, i've never seen a J-15-2 lower but i've seen a lot of J-15s. i don't think there were that many J-15-2 out there. |
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can you ask them to verify the model number? if you have the serial, you can call essential arms and they can verify it for you. fwiw, i've never seen a J-15-2 lower but i've seen a lot of J-15s. i don't think there were that many J-15-2 out there. Quoted:
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if it's a grey cast receiver like the one i have pictured below, it is preban and good to go. a modern lpk will fit and it has the standard/milspec pivot pin. they differ in exterior dimensions slightly from a normal forged receiver. the boss around the buffer tube area is shaped a little different, the raised fence around the takedown pin housing and mag button are a little different and it curves outward a little to match the contour of the around under the ejection port on the upper. the selector stops are also non standard. those however are just some visual differences that don't make any difference on fit or function. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165706.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k517/s0b3/for%20sale/20140818_165717.jpg Yeah...it is grey like like yours. I had the serial number wrong, it is #10605. Is this a pre-ban? I cant see from the pic I have if there is a EA in front of the number and cant see if there is a -2 after it. all J-15 are preban. J-15-F are postban forged. they made some J-15-2 that were postban cast ones as well. essential arms sold the tooling to dpms before the ban. early DPMS had cast lowers that looked like these. not all cast DPMS are preban though. they made them past the ban before they switched to forged. after the ban sunset, essential arms got back in the lower business. Without being able to see the serial number clearly, there is no way to determine if this is one of the J-15-2 post ban reveivers. This is what I am afraid of....it being a post ban. can you ask them to verify the model number? if you have the serial, you can call essential arms and they can verify it for you. fwiw, i've never seen a J-15-2 lower but i've seen a lot of J-15s. i don't think there were that many J-15-2 out there. I would call but I didn't think they still existed. Does the lower look to be correct as compared to yours? |
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from that pic, it looks correct. sent you an email with some additional info on serial numbers as well. if i were you i'd buy it. i'm pretty confident it's preban.
they are still in business. vaughan is a good guy ESSENTIAL ARMS CO. P.O. Box 121 Krotz Springs, LA 70750 www.essentialarms.com 337-945-0185 337-566-0068 /FAX Hours of Operation: Monday-Friday 9am-4pm |
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from that pic, it looks correct. sent you an email with some additional info on serial numbers as well. if i were you i'd buy it. i'm pretty confident it's preban. they are still in business. vaughan is a good guy ESSENTIAL ARMS CO. P.O. Box 121 Krotz Springs, LA 70750 www.essentialarms.com 337-945-0185 337-566-0068 /FAX Hours of Operation: Monday-Friday 9am-4pm Hey...Thanx very much for your assistance. I really appreciate the help and the good info. I will try to get a hold of them tomorrow and send a email. why do you think the lower is so faded out? someone trying to sand of pertinent info maybe? What would you say it is worth as shown....20" barrel ...looks to be mostly original. I am in it for the stripped lower. I want to put a new 14.5 upper on it. anyway...thanx again. Too bad there is not a list of pre ban serial numbers for essential around. 
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Hey...Thanx very much for your assistance. I really appreciate the help and the good info. I will try to get a hold of them tomorrow and send a email. why do you think the lower is so faded out? someone trying to sand of pertinent info maybe? What would you say it is worth as shown....20" barrel ...looks to be mostly original. I am in it for the stripped lower. I want to put a new 14.5 upper on it. anyway...thanx again. Too bad there is not a list of pre ban serial numbers for essential around. Quoted:
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from that pic, it looks correct. sent you an email with some additional info on serial numbers as well. if i were you i'd buy it. i'm pretty confident it's preban. they are still in business. vaughan is a good guy ESSENTIAL ARMS CO. P.O. Box 121 Krotz Springs, LA 70750 www.essentialarms.com 337-945-0185 337-566-0068 /FAX Hours of Operation: Monday-Friday 9am-4pm Hey...Thanx very much for your assistance. I really appreciate the help and the good info. I will try to get a hold of them tomorrow and send a email. why do you think the lower is so faded out? someone trying to sand of pertinent info maybe? What would you say it is worth as shown....20" barrel ...looks to be mostly original. I am in it for the stripped lower. I want to put a new 14.5 upper on it. anyway...thanx again. Too bad there is not a list of pre ban serial numbers for essential around. they finished theirs in a light grey so it's not faded or sanded. just the color they chose. value-wise it's hard to say. i know up in CT, prebans sell for a lot so i think if you can get it for $1200 or less, it's a fair deal given your market. |
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It is in Maine so don't know how you would check it out.  Quoted:
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Hey OP, If you need me to take a look at it for you to make sure it's what you want let me know. ETA: Just in case you need someone a little closer to take a look at it in person. It is in Maine so don't know how you would check it out. Is the purchase coming from an individual? Don't wanna see you spend money on something you can't bring in state. |
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they finished theirs in a light grey so it's not faded or sanded. just the color they chose. value-wise it's hard to say. i know up in CT, prebans sell for a lot so i think if you can get it for $1200 or less, it's a fair deal given your market. Quoted:
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from that pic, it looks correct. sent you an email with some additional info on serial numbers as well. if i were you i'd buy it. i'm pretty confident it's preban. they are still in business. vaughan is a good guy ESSENTIAL ARMS CO. P.O. Box 121 Krotz Springs, LA 70750 www.essentialarms.com 337-945-0185 337-566-0068 /FAX Hours of Operation: Monday-Friday 9am-4pm Hey...Thanx very much for your assistance. I really appreciate the help and the good info. I will try to get a hold of them tomorrow and send a email. why do you think the lower is so faded out? someone trying to sand of pertinent info maybe? What would you say it is worth as shown....20" barrel ...looks to be mostly original. I am in it for the stripped lower. I want to put a new 14.5 upper on it. anyway...thanx again. Too bad there is not a list of pre ban serial numbers for essential around. they finished theirs in a light grey so it's not faded or sanded. just the color they chose. value-wise it's hard to say. i know up in CT, prebans sell for a lot so i think if you can get it for $1200 or less, it's a fair deal given your market. I got your email about the numbers. I am very happy to hear that number is a pre-ban. I will still call just to verify like you suggested. thanx again for your help. |
. Just have to find a FFL that will do the XFER
| I really liked the Essential Arms J-15 cast lowers. Before Eagle Arms came out with lowers, the Essential Arms were the only ones in XM grey. PWA, NESARD, and SGW were all black. The EAs matched the mill=surplus parts, which was just about all we could get. The ONLY drawback was their block so you could not put a drop in auto sear and happy switch.... In the 80s, drop in auto sears were still very common, and grandfathered pre-86 ones with papers were fairly easy to get... |
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