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Posted: 10/12/2010 7:54:40 AM EDT
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I recently bought a couple gallons of LSA, and I've been using it on all of my AR-15s and my Glock-17, and for the life of me I can't figure out why we switched to CLP?
The CLP that I'm familiar with is a very thin oil, it reeks of some kind of strange nasty chemical funk, it runs and splatters all over everything. I don't trust it as a lubricant due to the running/splattering issues, and I don't trust it as a cleaner because it seems kinda stupid to me to try to use the same compound as both a cleaner AND a lubricant...But then again, I grew up cleaning with powder solvent and lubricating and protecting with oil. Lots of guys I know tell me to use wheel bearing grease on my AR-15s instead of CLP, and the LSA I've got reminds me much more of wheel bearing grease than it does CLP...So naturally, I have to wonder why we replaced LSA with CLP, when LSA seems to me to be the superior lubricant? |
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I recently bought a couple gallons of LSA, and I've been using it on all of my AR-15s and my Glock-17, and for the life of me I can't figure out why we switched to CLP? The CLP that I'm familiar with is a very thin oil, it reeks of some kind of strange nasty chemical funk, it runs and splatters all over everything. I don't trust it as a lubricant due to the running/splattering issues, and I don't trust it as a cleaner because it seems kinda stupid to me to try to use the same compound as both a cleaner AND a lubricant...But then again, I grew up cleaning with powder solvent and lubricating and protecting with oil. Lots of guys I know tell me to use wheel bearing grease on my AR-15s instead of CLP, and the LSA I've got reminds me much more of wheel bearing grease than it does CLP...So naturally, I have to wonder why we replaced LSA with CLP, when LSA seems to me to be the superior lubricant? I seem to remember reading many years ago in SGN or some place that it was found that LSA was great for the M16,but was not so good for "steel" weapons like the M14,M60,M1 Garand..I don't know if true or not,but if so it would make sense that the mil would replace with a product that was good for all weapons. |
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It's been a while but I seem to remember a Light LSA and a medium LSA for M60's etc.
I remember get splashed in the eye with the first shot after lubing with the light stuff. And talk about smell, NOTHING is worse than 60 year old lubriplate, the white stuff. They must have made that out of rotting elephant carcasses. |
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It's been a while but I seem to remember a Light LSA and a medium LSA for M60's etc. I remember get splashed in the eye with the first shot after lubing with the light stuff. Could you mean 'Weapons Oil, Light' aka 'PL-S' instead of light LSA?...But then again, the LSA cans and bottles I have are all marked "Medium"...And there doesn't seem to be a reason to me to have a "Medium" unless theres a "Light" and/or "Heavy". Was it the M-60 or the M-16 or something else that used to get you in the eye? I don't recall having any problems with my AR-type rifles ever splashing me due to the enclosed receiver design, but my pistols will do it, and so will my bolt action rifles oddly enough. |
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It's been a while but I seem to remember a Light LSA and a medium LSA for M60's etc. I remember get splashed in the eye with the first shot after lubing with the light stuff. Could you mean 'Weapons Oil, Light' aka 'PL-S' instead of light LSA?...But then again, the LSA cans and bottles I have are all marked "Medium"...And there doesn't seem to be a reason to me to have a "Medium" unless theres a "Light" and/or "Heavy". Was it the M-60 or the M-16 or something else that used to get you in the eye? I don't recall having any problems with my AR-type rifles ever splashing me due to the enclosed receiver design, but my pistols will do it, and so will my bolt action rifles oddly enough. I really can't remember. It seems like it came in an OD can and was very thin. Even when shook up it was thin. Then the stuff in the plastic bottles is kinda milky looking. Someone else might remember if there was light and medium oil. I had a case of the stuff 30 years ago. |
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LSA (Lubricant, Semi-fluid, Automatic weapons) is the IDEAL military small arms lubricant for non-freezing conditions.
The Army wanted to save shipping space and money by getting a combination of all three Cleaning, Lubricating, and Preservative functions in one item, which they got (or thought they got) with CLP. Break Free / CLP is a bottle of compromise –– it functions OK, but does nothing well. |
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LSA (Lubricant, Semi-fluid, Automatic weapons) is the IDEAL military small arms lubricant... + 1 Besides my AR's, I also use LSA on my stainless steel pistols...It has prevented galling from happening even under extreme conditions... I look for the white bottles, with the milky semi-liquid...I have three bottles on my bench; two made by Castrol, one by Royal Lubricants... I don't know if the green plastic bottles are different, these three do not say medium or anything like that on them... I have CLP, WD-40, Break-Free, and 3in1 oil on my bench also, but the aluminum frame [Walther P1] and stainless frame [S&W 659 + Ruger .22 auto] plus the AR's only get LSA... ...It just *works*... 
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My 1 qt cans of LSA came from Helmuth Behn, Hamburg. The 2 and 4 oz OD squeeze bottles came from Royal Lubricants.
I love the warning on the back of the cans: WARNUNG Dieses Schmiermittel darf nicht bei der Lebensmittelverarbeitung oder an Lebensmittelmaschinen verwendet werden, deren Oberflächen mit den Lebensmitteln in Berührung kommen. Es ist nicht erlaubt, daß das Schmiermittel die Nahrungsmittel verunreinigt. Vor Gebrauch ist das Schmiermittel gründlich zu schütteln. |
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WARNUNG Dieses Schmiermittel darf nicht bei der Lebensmittelverarbeitung oder an Lebensmittelmaschinen verwendet werden, deren Oberflächen mit den Lebensmitteln in Berührung kommen. Es ist nicht erlaubt, daß das Schmiermittel die Nahrungsmittel verunreinigt. Vor Gebrauch ist das Schmiermittel gründlich zu schütteln. Translated, very roughly (My German is rusty like an AK-47 thats been stored in a rice patty):: "WARNING This lubricant should not be used in food processing or on food processing equipment, or on any surface that comes in contact with food. (This last sentence I'm having some trouble understanding but I think it's something along the lines of "It's not allowed for this lubricant to be anywhere near your food!") Shake Before Use" For those interested, I found a place on-line selling LSA by the 1-gallon can left over from the 80's, and 1995 production quart cans from Germany, probably complete with the same label as above. I called him up to get some 2 or 4oz bottles (All I have are huge unwieldy cans) and he told me he's out of stock on those, but 1-quart cans are $8 each, and he's got some LAW, PL-S, etc. http://www.sprucemtsurplus.com/ ETA: I have found a few places with bottles of it, but I can't see paying $10 for a small bottle when I paid about that much for a whole gallon... |
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Der Hans, you might get a weapons oil bottle like this http://armysurplus1.net/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=11&products_id=1293&osCsid=5de78c099072c136b97fb60fef07a872 for the pour spout and a 4oz bottle at an outdoor camping supply or a travel accessories kit at Wal Mart, use a syringe or small funnel to fill the 4oz bottle. It would make it easier to use, if you can't find a small bottle of GI LSA. The cap should be threaded the same as a standard 4oz bottle.
http://www.saturnsurplus.com/miscpage/gunoil.htm http://www.gunnyssurplus.com/4-oz-oil-bottl4.html |
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It's been a while but I seem to remember a Light LSA and a medium LSA for M60's etc. I remember get splashed in the eye with the first shot after lubing with the light stuff. Could you mean 'Weapons Oil, Light' aka 'PL-S' instead of light LSA?...But then again, the LSA cans and bottles I have are all marked "Medium"...And there doesn't seem to be a reason to me to have a "Medium" unless theres a "Light" and/or "Heavy". Was it the M-60 or the M-16 or something else that used to get you in the eye? I don't recall having any problems with my AR-type rifles ever splashing me due to the enclosed receiver design, but my pistols will do it, and so will my bolt action rifles oddly enough. Yep, weapons oil light that's the stuff that splashes  Not LSA....http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-US-Army-Lubricating-Oil-Weapons-Oil-Light-Tin-/140464762672
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I was in Germany when we switched from LSA to CLP. Part of the sales to the troops was that it (CLP) would replace 3 oils in the system. (LSA, PL-S and cleaning solvent) Also instead of having to clean the firearm for 3 days in a row after firing, you cleaned day one, left CLP on the firearm and did a wipedown and light oiling on the second day. CLP was not thin, we got gallon jugs and you had to shake them well to make the particulates mix well. In sub freezing it looked like goat cum, really nasty when doing the main gun tube of my M60A3 in the motor stables! The CLP worked much better as a lube on our machineguns, the M240 coax and M85 .50 cal requiring less oil for the guns to run properly vs. LSA which you had to really gunk on.
LSA was for lubing the light lubricating oil was for storage only. (on day three of cleaning you coated the firearm in a thin coat of the PLS and turned it in to the armory. Before firing you had to re-lube with LSA. CLP was much simpler) |
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I was in Germany when we switched from LSA to CLP. Part of the sales to the troops was that it (CLP) would replace 3 oils in the system. (LSA, PL-S and cleaning solvent) Also instead of having to clean the firearm for 3 days in a row after firing, you cleaned day one, left CLP on the firearm and did a wipedown and light oiling on the second day. CLP was not thin, we got gallon jugs and you had to shake them well to make the particulates mix well. In sub freezing it looked like goat cum, really nasty when doing the main gun tube of my M60A3 in the motor stables! The CLP worked much better as a lube on our machineguns, the M240 coax and M85 .50 cal requiring less oil for the guns to run properly vs. LSA which you had to really gunk on. LSA was for lubing the light lubricating oil was for storage only. (on day three of cleaning you coated the firearm in a thin coat of the PLS and turned it in to the armory. Before firing you had to re-lube with LSA. CLP was much simpler) The problem, I expect, is not with the LSA but rather with the ridiculous cleaning program. I have NO idea why you would need to clean a weapon for three days in a row after firing! Even with corrosively primed ammunition, simply getting some hot soapy water out and doing it the right way takes care of any problems you might have. As for the PL-S, I don't understand why you'd need to use PL-S as a preservative instead of just leaving the LSA on the weapon. |
| LSA wasn't replaced by CLP. LSA was replaced by LSAT; the T stands for the Teflon additive that was added. LAST is still in the system and is recommended for numerous things like MK19 buffers among other things. IIRC there are some temperature stability issues with both but the LSAT is superior. CLP is the go to now because LSA and LSAT are both lubes and as such require that you carry separate solvent. CLP combines both and streamlines things in the field (in theory) |
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The key here in in the nomenclature. LSA is a Lubricant. That's it. Not a Cleaner. Not a Preservative.
Lubricant Small Arms. LSA was originally Lubricant Semi-Fluid Automatic Weapons –– and may still be in the Air Force. This it probably the thin stuff as it's rated to -65°C. MIL-L-46000. My (now empty) bottle is LSA, WEAPONS OIL, MEDIUM. MIL-L-46000B <–– note the "B." For low temperatures LAW (Lubricating Oil, Arctic, Weapons) is required by the Army. CLP is not a formula but a performance description. The original "BreakFree" formula went out 20+ years ago. You can Google the mil spec to see what it has to do. MIL-L-63460D. (There is probably a later spec than "D.") I don't lubricate my M1903 Rifle with sperm oil.
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I don't lubricate my M1903 Rifle with sperm oil. –– Chuck C'mon, it's in Colonel William S. Brophy's book and the field manual too.
CLP guy here for the last 20 years or so...never a problem and I recently broke into a quart bottle I've had set back...should last me awhile.
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Forgive me for not jumping on the CLP bandwagon, somehow I just can't bring myself to lubricate my retro-rifles with some high-speed tacticool Uber-Lube...Especially since some people are claiming that it's crap.
I may be wrong, and I'll admit that I may be wrong, but I'm having a hard time bringing myself to use something that basically uses "It's for cutting corners!" as it's big selling point. I personally don't have a problem with using cleaning solvent to clean and lubricating oil to lubricate. Cleaning, Lubricating, and Preserving might be things you CAN do with plain old oil...To some extent anyway. Some European armies used to clean using oil. The German WWII era cleaning manual for the Kar-98K instructed troops to pull an oiled brush through the bore multiple passes in order to clean the rifle. Oil attracts dirt, and apparently the combination of oil and brush was enough to clean the rifle. I suspect that, in a pinch, if you couldn't find any bore solvent, paint thinner, denatured alcohol, kerosene, gasoline, acetone, mineral spirits, benzine, toluene, diesel fuel, or some other kind of solvent, that you could probably get away with using patches and brushes whetted with LSA, PL-S, any gun oil, to get the dirt out. Lubricating should be obviously AOK for oil, PL-S, LSA, etc... Preservative use is an area where I can understand using a special compound. I honestly have no idea how well LSA works as a preservative, I suspect that it would work just fine due to it's oil base, but I really don't have a clue here. The same goes for regular gun oil, I've only pulled a few weapons out of long-term storage, and I either don't remember how well lubricated/coated they were when I pulled them out, or they were all crapped up with cosmoline. The WW2 era manual on the K98 again specified plain old oil for coating the gun when turned in to the armory for storage, but that was for weapons that would be used again in less than a year. I don't recall what they suggested for long-term storage. |
| The old cleaning methodlogy of 3 days of cleaning was necessary to get rid of carbon deposits. Breakfree CLP cut the carbon way better than the cleaning solvent. I was a gunnery instructor at the Armor School and teaching proper cleaning of weapons was one of our classes. In 1st Cav (1/7 Cav) The Armor School and at 2/11 ACR until we got the Breakfree we did the 3 days of cleaning. I have used gallons of LSA and found the break free to work much better on machine guns such as the M85, M2HB and M240 as well as the M16A1. The M1911A1 and M3A1 worked about the same but were less "oiley" with the breakfree vs the PL-S and LSA. |
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OK, as I don't have any experience cleaning full autos or M68 main guns, I can buy that they might need more cleaning to deal with the carbon deposits.
However, even with lots of rounds through my ARs, I haven't bumped into any carbon on my rifles that wouldn't come off after a visit from Mr. Toothbrush and some bore solvent...............OK...Maybe it's because I bought chrome bolt groups, hehe... BTW, GSW, I've always wondered if the 105'ss and 120's are chrome lined on the insides, or just plain steel? |
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BTW, GSW, I've always wondered if the 105'ss and 120's are chrome lined on the insides, or just plain steel? Just plain steel. The M68 105mm is rifle bored and the M256 120mm is smoothbore. They would shine up like a chrome lined but on the A1 we had to manually input bore wear on the M60A3 the digital computer compensated for the wear automatically. When the higher echelon maint guys came in and borescoped your tube it was a pain in the ass, any carbon in the rifling showed up and they would make you re-clean the tube. Carbon will leach out of your rifle or machine gun, that was why the extensive cleaning. Coming in from the field you had to clean and turn in your M24 protective mask, Night Vision PVS 5s (called Cav Nav at the time) one tank would slap a cleaning rod together and you would do all 5 tanks (tank company in the Cav) main guns then you had to shlep all the weapons to the arms room and clean them before turning them in. M85 .50 cal, M78/219 and later M240 coax, 2 M3A1 sub guns and 4 M1911A1s per crew. We were estatic when we didn't have to do the 3d day! Only then could you start taking care of your personal equipment and then yourself. Damn, now I know why I got out after 7 years! 
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Well it could be worse, at least you didn't have to lug thousands of rounds of 7.62 and .50 caliber ammunition and 60-some rounds of 105mm back and forth on range days! At Ft. Knox we made the Armor Officer and Cavalry Officer Basic students lug the ammo to the tank. I sent two one time for two cans of coax ammo (2 200 rd cans) and they showed up with two mini gun cans! Fired it all up, turned the M240 red past the feed tray, but it didn't hiccup. On normal ranges we would just pull up to the ammo point and upload the ammo for the range. In Germany we had all 66 rounds of main gun ammo uploaded. Every time we had to pull the pack (engine transmission combo) we had to down load the ammo. Going to the range we had to down load the ammo. Any electrical work on the tank and you had to download... 
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In Germany we had all 66 rounds of main gun ammo uploaded. OK...Now I just have to ask how you crammed 66 rounds into the tank? I thought the M60s only had room for 63 in storage and one in the gun...Which means somebody was riding around with a couple of rounds on his lap? |
| I like and use Breakfree to this day to clean and lube both my pistols and rifles. (on Garands and M14s I use Tetra grease but clean with breakfree) You have to really shake the bottle of Breakfree to get the teflon suspended in the solution, but I like it regardless. (and yes, I know there is probably better stuff out there but I am retro myself at 56) |
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Not arguin', jest axin', doesn't the Breakfree/CLP impregnate the moving parts with teflon, and isn't that a good thing? What say y'all...  Well, I really don't know how well the Teflon stays in/on the surface it's applied to, but it can be a good lubricant. I remember hearing something some time back about Teflon particles in the lubricants getting hot, melting, and then re-solidifying into a single solid piece that would render the rifle inoperative, but I don't know if theres any truth to that. They do also make LSA-T, LSA with Teflon. Remember, LSA didn't get replaced because it was a poor lubricant, it got replaced because it was easier and quicker to do everything with CLP... |
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In Germany we had all 66 rounds of main gun ammo uploaded. OK...Now I just have to ask how you crammed 66 rounds into the tank? I thought the M60s only had room for 63 in storage and one in the gun...Which means somebody was riding around with a couple of rounds on his lap? You are 100% correct, my memory along with many things is fading after 28 years as a PFC (proud fu$king civilian)! My last duty station was Bad Kissingen with 2/11th ACR on the E. German border, MOS 19E3HB8 (M60A3TC with instructor designator) secondary MOS 45K3 and 19D3. I was the TC of H23 (second platoon H (tank) company 2d Squadron 11th ACR) I found 3 of my best friends from Germany recently on facebook after all these years. |
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One thing about LSA, in heavy rain it would wash off and weapons would jam. At Ft. Knox one range we were using M16A1s shooting tracer as sub caliber training devices.(they were mounted on the gun tube right behind the bore evacuator and shot at 1/4 scale targets to give the students experience manipulating the "cadillac" controls and aiming with the main gun reticle.
It flooded, remnants from a hurricane and for the first time we had real problems with the M16s FTE. We had to constantly keep squirting them with the LSA to keep them running. |
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At Ft. Knox one range we were using M16A1s shooting tracer as sub caliber training devices.(they were mounted on the gun tube right behind the bore evacuator and shot at 1/4 scale targets to give the students experience manipulating the "cadillac" controls and aiming with the main gun reticle. Aw that's easy! All you've got to do is hold the palm switches in and lase 'n blaze! Shoulda made them use the hand cranks! It flooded, remnants from a hurricane and for the first time we had real problems with the M16s FTE. We had to constantly keep squirting them with the LSA to keep them running. OK, now THIS is something that makes me go "Huh?"...I'm honestly kinda confused as to why LSA would be particularly vulnerable to washing off? Is this relative to "regular" weapons oil, grease, CLP, or just lubricants in general on the M-16? What with the relatively enclosed receiver I'm kinda surprised this was a problem? |
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This was in '79 prior to Breakfree getting issued. The M16s were sitting outside in the direct rain while the M85s receiver was inside the cupola and the M240 was snuggled alongside the main gun out of the direct weather. We were on M60A1s, so no lazing. We got our first M60A3 just a few months before I shipped out to Germany in Jan '80. When I arrived at BK the squadron was at Graf doing A3 transition, it was about another year before we got the thermals and smoke generator they were such early A3s.
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Wow, seriously "Old School" then! No thermal sleeve on the main gun either, right?
(If you haven't guessed by now, when I'm not building retro rifles, I'm building scale models of tanks.) On the subject of the thermal sights, I've read several times that the M60A3's TTS was of better resolution than the M1's TIS system...Which I find very odd... |
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Tankers everywhere! When I was in basic in '87 we had to train on the M60A3 (TTS), M1 (IP) and M1A1 as 19K's because they didn't know what the unit we'd be sent to would have.
2-37 AR had M60A3's _AND_ M1 (IP)'s when I got there. The '60s were packed up to send to wherever. Some of them ended up with D-1-4 Cav across the quad from us. In fact, the day I got there, 2-37 became 3-34 (1st Infantry Div, Forward, Panzer Kaserne, Böblingen BRD.) We changed over from the 105's to the 120's towards the end of my stay. I worked from loader to driver to gunner on A-23. One thing I didn't like about the 120 is that a roll of TP was loose in the bore so you couldn't use one for cleaning any more. We had M1911A1s and M3 greaseguns when I got there. We got M16A2's the first month, losing the greaseguns and were issued 9mm just as I was leaving. |
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No thermal shroud, coincidence rangefinder, analog ballistic computer, no cross wind sensor, real old school. At 1st Cav we still had IR night vision and pre RISE tanks. In AIT they were still OD green with white stars and bumper markings and we still used the M78/M219 coax. (a real POS) When I went to The Armor School we had our own fully functional turret mounted on a pedestal at Wilson Range where we taught the introduction classes and shot the first tank tables using a bigassed laser and then an M16 with the .22lr subcaliber insert shooting German made .22 tracer.
The A3s TTS was far superior to the M1 until recently. They were handbuilt by Texas Insturment and we could tell if people were in a house (through thickassed German walls in Winter. You had white hot or black hot modes and it took about 20 minutes for the sight to cool down to use. Watching another tank lase a target was cool through it and the passive sights. At Knox we got FV4 in the Winter of '78/'79. That was one of the final production prototypes after the Ft. Bliss platoon test and the changes that came from that. When they rolled it into Skidgel Hall I was standing next to some Chrysler reps and first thing I said was look at all that room on the turret roof to sleep on! They guys looked at me and said you must have spent a lot of time in the field? I was in the Division Re-Structure Study (DRS) at 1st Cav and we were esentially in the field for over a year with only short breaks in between testing the 3 tank platoon concept. The then XM1s sight was way inferior to the A3s, I took the photos through the sight of the XM1 used in the then secret briefing class we gave to new officers, the advanced course and pre command course. Sitting stationary the A3 would out shoot an M1 105mm as well, it's when they moved that the M1 shone. Oh yeah, my MOS was 11E until late '77 early '78 when they changed us to the 19 series. I was one of the very few armor types not to be busted from sergeant to spec 5 at the time since I was platoon sergeant of the headquarters tank platoon. Every time I gunned on a tank, even the Bn COs I shot distinguished and with 11th ACR I had high tank in the regiment. I regretted promoting to staff sergeant and having to leave the gunners seat, I was an OK TC but was a kick ass gunner. |
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Since the LSA discussion has transmorphed to old tanks...
Long ago and far away we turned in our M60s for upgrade to A1s and the Army discovered they had nothing to give us during the conversion but some M48A1 tanks they must have found in the weeds at Letterkenny. Yep, these were gasoline engined! Rebuilt long before, but very nicely stored. Probably destined for some foreign sales program.. There was no training ammo and the remaining 90mm in the US inventory was held in war stocks other than a few rounds per squadron for demonstration. Once we indicated on our URR that we were Not Mission Capable because we could not qualify the tank crews the Army converted 90mm anti-aircraft ammo (just the cases I assume) into TP-T ammo at some arsenal and we were loading the tanks right off the commercial carriers we had drive to the range. ASP folks had to be there to "issue" it. With a good manual lay, and good gunner the M48's M41 90mm cannon could hit a standard steel helmet at 1500 meters and the Helmet Shoot was used annually to determine the best tank crew. –– Chuck |
| The A1s we had at 1/7 Cav 1st Cav Division were really ragged out. About a year before I arrived it had been 1/13th Armor 1st Armored Div and was re-flagged when 1st Cav got back from Vietnam. My first day in the unit the CSM offered me a job in HQ pushing a typewriter since I could type, I told him no thanks I was a tanker not a clerk. Went to the motor pool and it was caos. They were cutting up old sections of track to try to make usable sections for the HQ tank section. We had broken torsion bars to contend with as well. They were AOS, (add on stabilization) pre RISE (so pulling the pack was a task) and still had the old IR night sight and pre-pink light xenon searchlight. My first gunnery I drove, the squadron master gunner gunned for the squadron CO, he even set the range finder for him between engagements. Next gunnery I was in the gunners seat (I was TC when the old man was running around away from the tank which was most of the time) and we shot distinguished, second highest score in the brigade. Next gunnery again distinguished. When we went to Ft. Irwin to test the NTC concept we were issued like new M48A5s which were way better than our ragged out rolling dumpsters we had back at Ft. Hood. Our deuce and a half were really ragged out with big rust holes in them, none were in production at the time so we got issued gasser, long bed deuces from Ft. Sill where they had been in storage since the '50s. They were for hauling Honest John missles around, had Studebaker engins. Our mortar tracks were gassers, the M88 was a gasser and caught fire frequently. We had Goers and gamma goats and the scouts had gun jeeps and motorcycles. I got to shoot beehive rounds before they pulled them from the inventory. HEP-T was a bitch to shoot on the A1, but with the A3 it was an awsome round. At Graf I was dropping 8 out of 10 rounds through the loaders hatch of 3 M47 hulks we had for targets at 1700 meters. (I got to shoot up a bunch of excess ammo since the tank I was on had been last in the regiment during A3 transition. The TC was our platoon commander and was as green as grass. I was the only one changed out in the crew and 3 months after transition I shot high in the regiment. The ass clown I replaced as gunner went on the be the CSM of the regiment. We made Staff Sergeant on the same day but I had an earlier date of rank which burnt his ass becuse he had been in six months longer than I had. I then took the 23 tank over. |
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My 1 qt cans of LSA came from Helmuth Behn, Hamburg. The 2 and 4 oz OD squeeze bottles came from Royal Lubricants. I love the warning on the back of the cans: WARNUNG Dieses Schmiermittel darf nicht bei der Lebensmittelverarbeitung oder an Lebensmittelmaschinen verwendet werden, deren Oberflächen mit den Lebensmitteln in Berührung kommen. Es ist nicht erlaubt, daß das Schmiermittel die Nahrungsmittel verunreinigt. Vor Gebrauch ist das Schmiermittel gründlich zu schütteln. A friend of mine, German, translated it (just for shits-n-giggles): Caution This lubricant solvent must not be used during food processing or on food processing machines, which have surfaces that may come in contact with food. It is not allowed that this lubricant contaminates food. Prior to usage, shake the lubricant solvent well. |
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"WARNING This lubricant should not be used in food processing or on food processing equipment, or on any surface that comes in contact with food. (This last sentence I'm having some trouble understanding but I think it's something along the lines of "It's not allowed for this lubricant to be anywhere near your food!") Shake Before Use" Thats the way I translated it myself, it might be a little off but it pretty much matches with Google I guess, so maybe my German ain't too bad? lol As a note, since this thread just got bumped...I found something that smells even more nasty than CLP......PL-S....Got a few bottles in the mail today (I mainly wanted the 4oz bottles it was in) and it reeks worse than LSA, and even worse than CLP... |
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In Germany we had all 66 rounds of main gun ammo uploaded. OK...Now I just have to ask how you crammed 66 rounds into the tank? I thought the M60s only had room for 63 in storage and one in the gun...Which means somebody was riding around with a couple of rounds on his lap? You are 100% correct, my memory along with many things is fading after 28 years as a PFC (proud fu$king civilian)! My last duty station was Bad Kissingen with 2/11th ACR on the E. German border, MOS 19E3HB8 (M60A3TC with instructor designator) secondary MOS 45K3 and 19D3. I was the TC of H23 (second platoon H (tank) company 2d Squadron 11th ACR) I found 3 of my best friends from Germany recently on facebook after all these years. Sorry to go off-topic, but mad props to you for being stationed out on the Fulda Gap! |
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