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Posted: 10/6/2010 5:04:17 AM EDT
Thanks to Ali059 for the heads up. |
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I'm really loving that we now have in print the info on black paint over "simulated wood" stocks.Mentioned in the column right above the pic of the butt plates.Wooopppiiieee,finally something in print!! 
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/001-15.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/002-9.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/003-6.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/004-7.jpg Sounds to me that the black furniture on these 601's were black painted on the brown fiberglass, not black painted on green over the brown fiberglass. Going off the article above, I would say your HGs are black cause someone did not like the green after they left production, not the original black over brown that the article described. |
Thanks for posting this Hal - awesome article. I noticed 2 things - first, the pic of the rollmarks - no Armalite markings at all on this model 01 (recent thread is why I bring this up) Secondly, they mention that the 01 stock is an inch shorter than the M16. Really?  I also thought it interesting that the BC was parked with chrome key. I'd be interested to know what the twist rate and marking were on the barrel of this 'transitional' 01.
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I'm really loving that we now have in print the info on black paint over "simulated wood" stocks.Mentioned in the column right above the pic of the butt plates.Wooopppiiieee,finally something in print!!
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/001-15.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/002-9.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/003-6.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/004-7.jpg Sounds to me that the black furniture on these 601's were black painted on the brown fiberglass, not black painted on green over the brown fiberglass. Going off the article above, I would say your HGs are black cause someone did not like the green after they left production, not the original black over brown that the article described. HK,you must have missed all the past post about these,and Olgunners.The black paint on the HGs goes behind the heatshields,NO evidence that the shields were ever removed as the glue/epoxy is still present around the rivet heads (I had members post pics a good while back showing theirs as well.).The finish of the paint is the same (hard to describe in words,and the word "texture" is not really correct) is the same as the stock and PG.This complete set came off an original 601 in the 11 K sn range sold by that class 111 dealer Mandella(spelling).While I can't prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt yet,,I am 100% convinced these left colt as is.The stock and PG show NO signs of green,but the HGs do have the green |
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I'm really loving that we now have in print the info on black paint over "simulated wood" stocks.Mentioned in the column right above the pic of the butt plates.Wooopppiiieee,finally something in print!!
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/001-15.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/002-9.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/003-6.jpg http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww111/Robpics/004-7.jpg Sounds to me that the black furniture on these 601's were black painted on the brown fiberglass, not black painted on green over the brown fiberglass. Going off the article above, I would say your HGs are black cause someone did not like the green after they left production, not the original black over brown that the article described. HK,you must have missed all the past post about these,and Olgunners.The black paint on the HGs goes behind the heatshields,NO evidence that the shields were ever removed as the glue/epoxy is still present around the rivet heads (I had members post pics a good while back showing theirs as well.).The finish of the paint is the same (hard to describe in words,and the word "texture" is not really correct) is the same as the stock and PG.This complete set came off an original 601 in the 11 K sn range sold by that class 111 dealer Mandella(spelling).While I can't prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt yet,,I am 100% convinced these left colt as is.The stock and PG show NO signs of green,but the HGs do have the green For what it's worth, I concur. having seen the photos of your black on green on brown guards, I have no doubt the black was there over the green before the shields were installed––during production. My black on brown set, however, appears to have been painted after the shields were in place. Anyone who's worked in a manufacturing business can tell you that production lines during development and early production are not always the same as they are when full production kicks in. Processes are refined, production lines are moved, etc. A primary difference between your furniture and mine is the serial numbers of the rifles they came with. Mine would have been made before production was fully ramped up. Yours would have come after the production line was fully developed. Very early production was plain brown. When the first requests came in (probably from marketing?) to started painting them green or black, that step certainly could have been tacked on at the end of the furniture production line (hence the overspray on my shields). Later, when "large" contracts started coming in, production lines may have been streamlined and paint would have likely gone on earlier in the process (it would be more efficient to paint them before the shields than to mask the shields later). That would explain yours with paint under the shields. Furthermore, under the military contracts, almost all of the furniture would have been produced in green. I can imagine them getting a small order for a PD or prison and respraying a few pieces in mid-production. (Hence the black on green on brown.) Short of finding a former Colt production worker with a really good memory, we may never know with absolute certainty. but like the court system, I'm willing to settle for "beyond reasonable doubt"! |
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Someone who had not a clue wrote the article, so don’t read much or anything out of it. The rifle described is not some mysterious significant historical transitional model. It is simply a 1965 production full auto AR-15 with a 01 roll mark. WOW, there is a name I have not seen active for sometime! 
Since we have the expert on hand now, what is your take on black 601 furniture? |
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Secondly, they mention that the 01 stock is an inch shorter than the M16. Really? I'm curious about this also... I thought the 601/602/603/604 with Type-A to Type-E stocks all had a common length of stock and buffer tube... Does he mean 1" shorter than an A2 stock, or 1" shorter than the other Type-A-E stocks? |
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Yes, he must mean shorter than A2. The type A through E stocks are the same length.
Great to see you back, Ekie. I'm very glad to hear you say not to read too much into that article. Some of the parts on that rifle, like parkerized bolt carrier and current style bolt catch, had me wondering about when these were introduced. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Yes, he must mean shorter than A2. The type A through E stocks are the same length. OK...I just noticed the picture... Is that an A1 or A2 stock on the lower of the two lower halves? ...What if there actually WAS a 1" shorter version of the A1/A0 stock? |
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Yes, he must mean shorter than A2. The type A through E stocks are the same length. Great to see you back, Ekie. I'm very glad to hear you say not to read too much into that article. Some of the parts on that rifle, like parkerized bolt carrier and current style bolt catch, had me wondering about when these were introduced. Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense, because the Bolt carrier has a square key, and was parked. Colt got the Ok to do that around '65. This is making more sense. The Rollmarks are kind of interesting for a '65 vintage weapoon though, I mean, why'd they mark it 01? Using up 601 uppers? Not that Colt would ever mark something weirdly - like an A1 lower marked A2... 
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Yes, he must mean shorter than A2. The type A through E stocks are the same length. OK...I just noticed the picture... Is that an A1 or A2 stock on the lower of the two lower halves? ...What if there actually WAS a 1" shorter version of the A1/A0 stock? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying (which is possible  ), I don't think a 1" shorter than the type A through E stock is possible with the bolt carriers and buffers shown. A stock that short would need a shorter tube to mount on and that would mean either a shorter bolt carrier or a shorter buffer (or a combination of both). Without these shorter internal parts there would not be room for the bolt carrier to go back far enough so the bolt face would clear the next round in the mag. One could not even pull the charging handle back far enough to load the first round. A rifle like that would not work.
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