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2/2/2010 9:02:00 AM EDT
What is the difference between a square forged upper, and a round one? How do you tell the difference?
2/2/2010 10:29:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Late 604 (round)


Early 604 (square)


Very early 604
2/2/2010 10:33:09 AM EDT
[#2]
+ 1 Engineer,,top to bottom.Round forge,,,square forge,,,,early square forge
2/2/2010 11:09:56 AM EDT
[#3]
H'mmm, those uppers look familiar...
2/2/2010 1:04:07 PM EDT
[#4]
So, I've wondered about this for a while.
Is this a night & day shift?  Did they suddenly switch from square to rounded?  Or is this a byproduct of the forging process, where the mould slowly got worn down in that corner, such that there's really a gradient of early to late (square to rounded)?

Are there "transitional" so to speak, uppers, that fall in between?
2/2/2010 2:00:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
So, I've wondered about this for a while.
Is this a night & day shift?  Did they suddenly switch from square to rounded?  Or is this a byproduct of the forging process, where the mould slowly got worn down in that corner, such that there's really a gradient of early to late (square to rounded)?

Are there "transitional" so to speak, uppers, that fall in between?


Likely the made a new forging die when the old one wore out, and that straight line/radius was a non critical dimension, i.e the exact shpae didn't matter.

You would not see a die wear that much and still be used.

2/2/2010 2:16:21 PM EDT
[#6]
I always thought they may have rounded it for stress relief...
3/21/2010 8:23:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Bump for quick reference.
3/21/2010 9:07:24 PM EDT
[#8]





Quoted:



So, I've wondered about this for a while.


Is this a night & day shift?  Did they suddenly switch from square to rounded?  Or is this a byproduct of the forging process, where the mould slowly got worn down in that corner, such that there's really a gradient of early to late (square to rounded)?





Are there "transitional" so to speak, uppers, that fall in between?



According to Ekie's "USGI Colt 603 XM16E1/M16A1 upper buyers guide Edition II" thread, round forging began showing up in 1966. As to why the change occurred, I've wondered the same thing myself.





And I do have what I'd call a "transitional" 604 rounded upper. It's not a true square like
the early ones, but it's also far less curved than the "Late" one in the pic that Engineer5 posted.
 
3/22/2010 3:44:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Just an added 2 pennies,,,the area above and right of the port door can be deceiving in pics depending on the angle it's viewed at.. These forging differences are also on the XM16E1/ 603 series for those of you not familiar or new to retroland.
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