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Beefypeanut

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Posted: 9/11/2005 12:55:19 PM EDT

[#1]

Originally Posted By cz75fan:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
www.tincher.to/images/gore_nam.jpg

In all fairness to Gore, no magazine and looking at the release, I believe his bolt is locked back.

[ETA] And his selector is off safe, and he's still looking down the bore of a firearm....

I'm sure not a Gore supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd give him a little break on this. It appears to me anyway that he's not actually looking down the barrel, but he's jacking around with the sling and front swivel. I myself don't like having the business end of a barrel pointed anywhere close to me even when I know the firearm is unloaded, though. Here's my "retro". A1 upper from CDNN, SP1 bolt and carrier that I had laying around and Colt Match Target lower, not quite gray, but not as dark of finish as a lot of them I've seen. It's close enough I'm not going to mess with it.

home.mchsi.com/~cz75fan.mo/ar15a1_b.jpg

Very nice!

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Posted: 9/11/2005 12:56:40 PM EDT

[#2]

Originally Posted By Stickman:
www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1114663340.jpg

Needs more sand.

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Posted: 9/11/2005 2:50:49 PM EDT

[#3]

Originally Posted By bmick325:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1114663340.jpg

Needs more sand.

I give up, what are you talking about?

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uxb Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1027 EE 100% (328) KY, USA	Posted: 9/11/2005 10:18:18 PM EDT [Last Edit: uxb] [#4] I think he means it looks like the background should be the Golani Heights or the beach at Haifi. By the way, why do the canteen covers say in Hebrew "For intended use only, not to be taken internally"?

Raptor22 Northern Redneck Joined Apr 2002 Posts 5928 EE 100% (814) NY, USA	Posted: 9/12/2005 3:42:50 AM EDT [#5] Here is my recent build: The Colt A1 upper, Eagle Arms A1 lower, charging handle and delta ring were reanodized by Victor Mederos in Colt gray.
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Lancelot Team Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 4120 EE 100% (9) CO, USA	Posted: 9/12/2005 8:17:16 AM EDT [#6] Very nice Vic!
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Posted: 9/12/2005 9:31:20 AM EDT

[#7]

Originally Posted By Raptor22:
Here is my recent build:

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=21422&iGalleryUnq=1315&iImageUnq=41493

The Colt A1 upper, Eagle Arms A1 lower, charging handle and delta ring were reanodized by Victor Mederos in Colt gray.

Wow, the correct lower really sets off an A1 build. I really like those Coal Valley lowers. Too bad States like yours have those goofy laws that drive the price up on stuff like that. Hopefully ASA will get that batch of retro lowers done soon.

Colt probably has staplers or carpet stains in their building that have been there far longer than RRA has been in business. new-arguy, 2005

Shal1

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Posted: 9/12/2005 7:52:08 PM EDT

[#8]

Raptor,

First, awesome rifle! Second, (and I hope this isn't a dumb question), how do A1 lowers like yours and current A2 lowers differ? It appears there is less reinforcement by the pivot pin on the A1... anything else?

It's funny, as soon as I saw your pic I ran to the gun cabinet all excited... I used an EA Coal Valley lower on my very recent A1 clone project also... but NOPE, it's an A2 lower (serial # around 9000). Darn it!

Shal1

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Posted: 9/12/2005 7:56:09 PM EDT

[#9]

Originally Posted By uxb:
I think he means it looks like the background should be the Golani Heights or the beach at Haifi. By the way, why do the canteen covers say in Hebrew "For intended use only, not to be taken internally"?

Ahhh, now I get it. Israel has more than sand to it, so I missed the humor.

Being as I didn't write it, I've got no idea, but when things are given to me I try not to ask too many questions.....

Stick

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Jeremy2171 Joined Mar 2004 Posts 32 EE 100% (92) NC, USA	Posted: 9/12/2005 9:13:12 PM EDT [#10] Here is my USAF M16 clone.... http://www.100megsfree4.com/airground/usafar.jpg

Quien Allergic to GD Joined May 2004 Posts 1115 EE 100% (9) VA, USA	Posted: 9/17/2005 6:17:18 AM EDT [#11] tag, cause I gotta have one now. Damned BRD.
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KamikazeAR15

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Posted: 9/17/2005 7:37:31 AM EDT

[#12]

Originally Posted By Stickman:
Derek,

Where did you get that front takedown pin?

DPMS, MIDWAY USA, BROWNELLS..

KamikazeAR15 Joined Jan 2004 Posts 212 EE 0% (0) MO, USA	Posted: 9/17/2005 7:55:47 AM EDT [#13] XM607 Clones

KamikazeAR15

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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:08:05 AM EDT

[#14]

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Originally Posted By uxb:
You need the triangular front handguard cap. The handguard price includes front and rear handguard caps (you just need to specify barrel diameter to get the correct triangular front cap) and right and left handguards.

The gas tube and FSB will need to be removed, followed by the round front handguard cap. While the FSB is off, slip on the rear handguard cap. Replace the round front handguard cap with the triangular one provided in the kit, reassemble FSB and gas tube, install handguards, and you're good to go...

www.fototime.com/2C3F2A4D55DCC10/standard.jpg

Did the slab side XM607 have a chrome bolt and carrier?

YES, GEN I & II shown above

Blanco_Diablo

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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:58:17 AM EDT

[#15]

Originally Posted By Raptor22:
Here is my recent build:

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=21422&iGalleryUnq=1315&iImageUnq=41493

The Colt A1 upper, Eagle Arms A1 lower, charging handle and delta ring were reanodized by Victor Mederos in Colt gray.

Where do you get those lowers? That is very nice!

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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:14:53 AM EDT

[#16]

Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is my USAF M16 clone....

www.100megsfree4.com/airground/usafar.jpg

(Bob running off to check safe.....Yep, mines still there....whew!!!)

Great looking rifle Jeremy!!

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Phessor Choose The Right Joined Feb 2003 Posts 1524 EE 100% (134) AZ, USA	Posted: 9/17/2005 5:23:21 PM EDT [#17] Well I found another thread to show off my latest retro builds! Phessor M16A1 clone; XM177E2 clone; CAR15A1 lite;
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Lancelot Team Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 4179 EE 100% (9) CO, USA	Posted: 9/17/2005 8:50:34 PM EDT [#18] makes me want a 20"..... makes me want a 20"......
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QUIB

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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:07:47 PM EDT

[#19]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
makes me want a 20"..... makes me want a 20"......

Might be a next project.......but,

we were watching Mail Call last night, it was an episode where Gunny was shooting an M1 Garand. I told Frau Quib that an M1 would be a nice partner for my 98k Mauser……..she said I should get one from the CMP! I still think I was dreaming!

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Posted: 9/17/2005 10:24:17 PM EDT

[#20]

Originally Posted By QUIB:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
makes me want a 20"..... makes me want a 20"......

Might be a next project.......but,

we were watching Mail Call last night, it was an episode where Gunny was shooting an M1 Garand. I told Frau Quib that an M1 would be a nice partner for my 98k Mauser……..she said I should get one from the CMP! I still think I was dreaming!

Gee, and I just happen to know a little CMP affiliated club that could fix you up with a membership card so you can order one......

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QUIB

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Posted: 9/17/2005 10:32:04 PM EDT

[#21]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By QUIB:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
makes me want a 20"..... makes me want a 20"......

Might be a next project.......but,

we were watching Mail Call last night, it was an episode where Gunny was shooting an M1 Garand. I told Frau Quib that an M1 would be a nice partner for my 98k Mauser……..she said I should get one from the CMP! I still think I was dreaming!

Gee, and I just happen to know a little CMP affiliated club that could fix you up with a membership card so you can order one......

Yea......what a ya know, that club rings a bell!

KamikazeAR15 Joined Jan 2004 Posts 214 EE 0% (0) MO, USA	Posted: 9/18/2005 1:11:40 AM EDT [Last Edit: KamikazeAR15] [#22] CAR15 Carbine Clone XM16E1 Clone

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Posted: 9/18/2005 9:38:29 AM EDT

[#23]

Originally Posted By Stickman:
www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1114663340.jpg

nice sp1 stick

Legalize Freedom

graywolf NRA life Member Joined Aug 2004 Posts 2916 EE 100% (2) MI, USA	Posted: 9/18/2005 9:40:34 AM EDT [#24]
	Legalize Freedom

Blanco_Diablo

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Posted: 9/18/2005 9:45:06 AM EDT

[#25]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Originally Posted By Raptor22:
Here is my recent build:

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=21422&iGalleryUnq=1315&iImageUnq=41493

The Colt A1 upper, Eagle Arms A1 lower, charging handle and delta ring were reanodized by Victor Mederos in Colt gray.

Where do you get those lowers? That is very nice!

Also, would a chrome slabside B/BC be accurate in a slabside SP1 upper from, say, the 70's?

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Posted: 9/18/2005 9:48:27 AM EDT

[#26]

Originally Posted By Shal1:
.......how do A1 lowers like yours and current A2 lowers differ? It appears there is less reinforcement by the pivot pin on the A1... anything else?....."

Shal1

Here is a thread discussing thaose differences. (it is from the Archive, so I hope you can 'see' it)

Differences in A1, A2 lowers

If not, let me know and I will IM you the highlights, so as not to de-rail the retro talk

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Couch-Commando Joined May 2005 Posts 710 EE 100% (26) AZ, USA	Posted: 9/25/2005 1:25:03 PM EDT [#27] bump

Ekie Kool-Trader Joined Jan 2001 Posts 2889 EE 100% (97) MO, USA	Posted: 10/1/2005 3:03:06 PM EDT [Last Edit: Ekie] [#28] Getting ready for ASA to send out thier retro lowers. Here is the XM116E1 parts kit I managed to put together. Anbody got any ideas on how I can get the ASA lower to match the brown pantina of my XM16E1 upper? I tried baking that charging handle in wheel bearing grease, but as you can see did not stain it (but did make a real bad stink).
	Colt probably has staplers or carpet stains in their building that have been there far longer than RRA has been in business. new-arguy, 2005

Beefypeanut Joined Nov 2004 Posts 1114 EE 100% (1) CA, USA	Posted: 10/1/2005 4:50:54 PM EDT [#29] ARRRR!!!!

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Posted: 10/1/2005 5:10:47 PM EDT

[#30]

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:
i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Beefypeanut/Combat%20Rifles/IMG_0173.jpg

ARRRR!!!!

what kind of lower is that?

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Beefypeanut

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Posted: 10/1/2005 9:41:50 PM EDT

[Last Edit: Beefypeanut] [#31]

Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:
i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Beefypeanut/Combat%20Rifles/IMG_0173.jpg

ARRRR!!!!

what kind of lower is that?

Got it from a friend that went under in the early nineties

Works really well.

The logo on the Mag well is a fancy MIM.

von_landstuhl Joined Dec 2004 Posts 212 EE 100% (4) OH, USA	Posted: 10/1/2005 10:23:11 PM EDT [#32] I have a Bushmaster lower and 11.5/5.5 barrel that's destined to become an XM177E2 clone. Does anyone still make A1-style uppers without the brass deflector?

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yfs200 Joined Apr 2003 Posts 329 EE 0% (0) WI, USA	Posted: 10/3/2005 7:22:24 PM EDT [#34] Does this count as Retro?

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Posted: 10/3/2005 7:23:20 PM EDT

[#35]

Originally Posted By yfs200:
Does this count as Retro?
tinypic.com/a4v1i0.jpg

Not even close, that poor poor upper.....

Stick

Ahhhhhh......its floating!!!

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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:33:57 PM EDT

[#36]

Originally Posted By yfs200:
Does this count as Retro?
tinypic.com/a4v1i0.jpg

*shakes head*

I'm with Stick...that poor upper with that fugly stock...at least you're trying though

KamikazeAR15 Joined Jan 2004 Posts 220 EE 0% (0) MO, USA	Posted: 10/4/2005 4:34:10 AM EDT [#37] 1980s Retro Colt 9mm AR

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Posted: 10/4/2005 6:41:23 AM EDT

[#38]

Originally Posted By yfs200:
Does this count as Retro?
tinypic.com/a4v1i0.jpg

Um no. But I'll trade you my M16 stock for that ugly MagPul. I'll even throw in an A1 grip. Then you'll be Retro.

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Posted: 10/4/2005 8:22:07 AM EDT

[#39]

Originally Posted By yfs200:
Does this count as Retro?
tinypic.com/a4v1i0.jpg

That's just wrong at so many levels! The A2 grip I'd let squeak by, but the Magpul stock!!???

Henry455 Joined Mar 2005 Posts 44 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 10/4/2005 9:37:41 AM EDT [#40] 1966 vintage SP-1 twins (consecutive serial #)

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Posted: 10/4/2005 2:24:30 PM EDT

[#41]

Originally Posted By Henry455:
1966 vintage SP-1 twins (consecutive serial #)

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins04.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins03.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins02.jpg

Lancelot

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Posted: 10/4/2005 3:05:26 PM EDT

[#42]

Originally Posted By Henry455:
1966 vintage SP-1 twins (consecutive serial #)

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins04.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins03.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins02.jpg

Yea, yea, yea, and you paid less then $1000.00 for the pair I'll bet.... disgusting.

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Henry455 Joined Mar 2005 Posts 46 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 10/4/2005 4:20:01 PM EDT [#43] Actually they have second generation owners, they were bought for $214.00 each back in 1966. My Dad bought one and my cousins Dad bought the other one. They were ordered from Colt and factory engraved with our Dad's names on the lower right receiver.

Blanco_Diablo

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Posted: 10/4/2005 4:24:28 PM EDT

[#44]

Originally Posted By Henry455:
1966 vintage SP-1 twins (consecutive serial #)

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins04.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins03.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/SP1%20Twins/SP1Twins02.jpg

Mmmmm so yummy...I want one of those selectors so bad!! Hopefully I'll be coming home from KC with an SP1 lower...Can't wait!! ONE WEEK WOO!!

eklikwhoa ADDICTED Joined Dec 2003 Posts 8955 EE 100% (49) TX, USA	Posted: 10/6/2005 6:51:44 PM EDT [#45] anyone have pictures of the xm177 on a slabside upper? no fa, no brass deflector? getting ready to build one and want to use a slabside upper but wanted to see what it would look like first. thanks
	FUNction over form

SmegHead Joined Oct 2004 Posts 151 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 10/7/2005 1:49:53 AM EDT [#46] DPMS makes a slab side upper (no f/a or deflector) with the orig handle/sight.

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Posted: 10/7/2005 2:21:14 AM EDT

[#47]

Originally Posted By SmegHead:
DPMS makes a slab side upper (no f/a or deflector) with the orig handle/sight.

is it the old colt gray or is it the newer black?

SmegHead

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Posted: 10/7/2005 2:40:30 AM EDT

[#48]

From Pg 33 of their 2005 catalog:
STRIPPED A1 SLICK-SIDED
UR-01-E3SS $144.95
A1 style fixed carry handle
Patterned after the original slick-sided A1
Dust cover only, no shell deflector or f/a
Forged 7075 alu. that has been T6 heat-treated, hard coat anodized(Mil-A-8625A)
Teflon coated black.

I guess they're black. The pic is smallish and b/w.

Hope this helps

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Posted: 10/7/2005 8:56:21 AM EDT

[Last Edit: eklikwhoa] [#49]

if i were to build the xm clone with a slabside it would be considered a usaf xm, correct?

found the answer to my question

taken from total silence inc. website

s previously mentioned, the only difference between the US Army XM177E1 and US Air Force
XM177 was the US Air Force's preference to not have a forward-assist. Similarly, the US Air
Force adopted it's own variants of the XM177 series that started with the prefix GAU-5 or
Gun/Aircraft Unit. For example, the XM177 (Colt 610), was designated the GAU-5/A. With the
adoption of the XM177E2 (Colt 629), the US Air Force designated the standard XM177E2 as the
GAU-5/A/B, and later without a forward assist as the GAU-5/A/A (Colt 630).

FUNction over form

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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:08:01 PM EDT

[Last Edit: Parrandero] [#50]

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Originally Posted By SmegHead:
DPMS makes a slab side upper (no f/a or deflector) with the orig handle/sight.

is it the old colt gray or is it the newer black?

DPMS slick side uppers are black

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