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Posted: 5/10/2015 2:21:52 PM EDT
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I think this would be legal but I wNt to check. I buy a stripped receiver. Then I build a pistol from it. Then if I want to make that pistol a rifle buy adding a stock and long barrel, I can no longer go back to a pistol with this receiver, or can I? Thanks. |
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol.
Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. |
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. |
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Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. Quoted:
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. I don't think he's talking about just the receiver here. He's saying, if one bought a complete rifle and it was transferred as a rifle. |
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Quoted: I don't think he's talking about just the receiver here. He's saying, if one bought a complete rifle and it was transferred as a rifle. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. I don't think he's talking about just the receiver here. He's saying, if one bought a complete rifle and it was transferred as a rifle. |
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yep- pistol > rifle > pistol again ok, reverse NOT ok...
as far as the ffl screwing up, I had the best one ever last year; guy wasn't going to transfer my Spike's Punisher stripped lower to me because  huh? 'it has the picture for full-auto in the back position. It's a machine gun'.  Are you kidding me? 'No, I don't have an SOT...' ...he was dead serious. I had to convince him it was a semi-auto receiver by having the seller fax an invoice that said 'semi-auto'.
Then he writes rifle in the box!!!!!       I then argue with him that they are NOT rifles, and that I want them marked 'other' -as they should be- because I'm building at least one into a pistol. 'Oh, no, you can't do that. If they are going to be pistols, they have to come from the factory as pistols and marked that way on them.' At this point I'm over it- and I tell him to write in the dealer's note section that these were stripped receivers. (had 2).
and never deal with him again |
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I don't think he's talking about just the receiver here. He's saying, if one bought a complete rifle and it was transferred as a rifle. Quoted:
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. I don't think he's talking about just the receiver here. He's saying, if one bought a complete rifle and it was transferred as a rifle. I think he is talking about a stripped receiver. Otherwise, why would he post "then you MUST build a rifle from it..." |
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Quoted: yep- pistol > rifle > pistol again ok, reverse NOT ok... as far as the ffl screwing up, I had the best one ever last year; guy wasn't going to transfer my Spike's Punisher stripped lower to me because huh? 'it has the picture for full-auto in the back position. It's a machine gun'. Are you kidding me? 'No, I don't have an SOT...' ...he was dead serious. I had to convince him it was a semi-auto receiver by having the seller fax an invoice that said 'semi-auto'.Then he writes rifle in the box!!!!! I then argue with him that they are NOT rifles, and that I want them marked 'other' -as they should be- because I'm building at least one into a pistol. 'Oh, no, you can't do that. If they are going to be pistols, they have to come from the factory as pistols and marked that way on them.' At this point I'm over it- and I tell him to write in the dealer's note section that these were stripped receivers. (had 2).and never deal with him again Even a stupid FFL can't argue with printed instructions on his own form. |
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Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. Quoted:
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. You are incorrect for California. |
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You are incorrect for California. Quoted:
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. You are incorrect for California. First, OP is not in California. Second, in California, you may only be able to build a stripped lower into a rifle, (a State law) but on the 4473 (a Federal form) a stripped lower would still be transferred as an "other." ETA: for clarifiaction: California State law the receiver must be declared on the DROS (dealer record of sale) as either a handgun or rifle, the only two choices. But this is still a state law, not Federal. This DROS is done in addition to the 4473, where the stripped lower would still be "other." |
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You are incorrect for California. Quoted:
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You can change the upper to a 16" barreled upper and add a stock to make it a rifle. You can take the stock off and change it back into a pistol. The key here is that you must have built it as a pistol FIRST. You can change a pistol to a rifle and back again to a pistol as many times as you want to. However, if the receiver was originally built into a rifle then, it is a rifle forever. You can not make a rifle into a pistol. Now, basically this has to do with how the receiver was transferred. if it was transferred as a receiver you can build what you want from it. If it was transferred as a rifle, then you MUST build a rifle from it and it can never be a pistol. All stripped receivers should be transferred as 'other - receiver'. In Ca. though you would have to specify what it will be and have it transferred as such. In states where AR pistols are illegal receivers have to be transferred as long guns. Make it stop! The part in red is NOT true. If it is a virgin lower, it must be transferred as "other." Even if the FFL mistakenly transferred it as a rifle on the 4473, that does not magically change the status. No different than if an FFL mistakenly transfers a 1911 as a rifle. You are incorrect for California. To echo Joe, the 4473 is federal, and to be filled out the same for all states, including Kali. You are referring to DROS or whatever other hellish state registration rules and forms Kali requires. - OS |
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