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Posted: 9/25/2012 11:32:35 AM EDT
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So what buffer tube would you all get between the PWS, Phase 5 Tactical, or the Spikes?
I'm leaning towards the PWS or spikes since they are about 1/2" longer and would be closer to 26" with a 10.5" setup I have heard some buffers have reliability issues with shorter uppers. I plan to use this with a 7" & 10.5" upper if that makes a difference. Anyone have experience with these tubes? |
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. |
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. You can wear a tin-foil hat with Dferg10, or you can watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIpWWG0JEg ....or read this direct from the ATF 
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. You can wear a tin-foil hat with Dferg10, or you can watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIpWWG0JEg ....or read this direct from the ATF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/sigluvr/ScreenShot2012-09-28at90639AM.png Okay wiseass, answer this: According to that letter (which does not apply to OP), what happens when you use a rifle buffer tube on your AR pistol and you also have in your possession an AR rifle that has a CTR stock on it? When you gave out your BAD advice you did not mention DO NOT POSSESS A BUTTSTOCK. In fact you only said "keep the stock off of it." That was flat wrong and is contradicted by the very letter you subsequently posted. Many people in here have numerous AR rifles and pistols. Your off the cuff response of - just use a rifle buffer tube/ don't put the stock on it, and you are good to go - was incomplete, inaccurate, and WRONG, and could get OP in trouble without the rest of the vital information needed to be in compliance. You know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to realize that... I will take my tinfoil hat over your dunce cap. OP if this is your only AR, you can go with a rifle buffer tube, but do not possess a stock. Or spend $40 and have nothing to worry about. |
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Constructive intent. Do you really wanna walk the line with an agency that doesn't follow logic ? Ie a vfg is a no go but a afg is cool...
If you have a rifle tube,on a short barrel ,less then 16", and you have a spare buttstock ,that's constructive intent. Is it right or wrong, who cares, cause bubba be love'n you by then. |
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Constructive intent. Do you really wanna walk the line with an agency that doesn't follow logic ? Ie a vfg is a no go but a afg is cool... If you have a rifle tube,on a short barrel ,less then 16", and you have a spare buttstock ,that's constructive intent. Is it right or wrong, who cares, cause bubba be love'n you by then. It is Constructive POSSESSION, not Constuctive Intent... 
Having a EXTRA buttstock around is a problem... Have other collabsible stocks on other RIFLES but NO extras for the "pistol" is fine, but that does not mean you should take them off and put them on the pistol...
It has been stated, that if you have a bunch of parts laying around... All legal versions/variations of an AR (lets use that as our example) will be built first, if with the left over parts you can build an illegal variation, then you have a problem. |
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. You can wear a tin-foil hat with Dferg10, or you can watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIpWWG0JEg ....or read this direct from the ATF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/sigluvr/ScreenShot2012-09-28at90639AM.png Okay wiseass, answer this: According to that letter (which does not apply to OP), what happens when you use a rifle buffer tube on your AR pistol and you also have in your possession an AR rifle that has a CTR stock on it? When you gave out your BAD advice you did not mention DO NOT POSSESS A BUTTSTOCK. In fact you only said "keep the stock off of it." That was flat wrong and is contradicted by the very letter you subsequently posted. Many people in here have numerous AR rifles and pistols. Your off the cuff response of - just use a rifle buffer tube/ don't put the stock on it, and you are good to go - was incomplete, inaccurate, and WRONG, and could get OP in trouble without the rest of the vital information needed to be in compliance. You know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to realize that... I will take my tinfoil hat over your dunce cap. OP if this is your only AR, you can go with a rifle buffer tube, but do not possess a stock. Or spend $40 and have nothing to worry about. First of all, you can't attach a CTR to a "rifle" buffer tube. The only thing that will attach to a "rifle" buffer tube is an A2 stock or the new Magpul Moe Rifle stock or PRS. I wouldn't take advice from someone who doesn't even use the correct terminology. If we can get past your name calling, we can address that a buffer tube is just a buffer tube. It serves no purpose other than to house the buffer. The problem arises when you place a stock on a tube installed on a pistol lower with a barrel shorter than 16" unpinned, or have a stock "readily available" around a pistol that can accept the stock. That is called constructive possession. Constructive intent is a misnomer. Furthermore, if the stock is installed on a nearby rifle in your possession, it is not "readily available". So my original advice still stands, keep a stock off of your pistol. I assumed any intelligent person could infer, don't have an extra stock near your pistol if using a buffer tube that will accept it. As far as my dunce cap, that is just your opinion. I choose not to live with paranoia. I think reason and logic will always prevail. |
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. You can wear a tin-foil hat with Dferg10, or you can watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIpWWG0JEg ....or read this direct from the ATF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/sigluvr/ScreenShot2012-09-28at90639AM.png Okay wiseass, answer this: According to that letter (which does not apply to OP), what happens when you use a rifle buffer tube on your AR pistol and you also have in your possession an AR rifle that has a CTR stock on it? When you gave out your BAD advice you did not mention DO NOT POSSESS A BUTTSTOCK. In fact you only said "keep the stock off of it." That was flat wrong and is contradicted by the very letter you subsequently posted. In the letter it says "possessing a rifle buttstock that can readily be installed on your pistol". Modify the buffer tube so it won't readily accept a buttstock. |
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LMT or Vltor, just keep a stock off of it I would not follow that advice. Why risk it? This has been discussed over and over. OP do not take any risk over $30 to $40. Spend the money on the pistol buffer tube and have no worries. I have 3 Spike's pistol buffer tubes and have had no issues with 7.5", 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and Spike's T2 buffers and springs. I have seen good reports about the PWS and Phase 5, but have no personal experience. I doubt you could go wrong with any of those choices. You can wear a tin-foil hat with Dferg10, or you can watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIpWWG0JEg ....or read this direct from the ATF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/sigluvr/ScreenShot2012-09-28at90639AM.png Okay wiseass, answer this: According to that letter (which does not apply to OP), what happens when you use a rifle buffer tube on your AR pistol and you also have in your possession an AR rifle that has a CTR stock on it? When you gave out your BAD advice you did not mention DO NOT POSSESS A BUTTSTOCK. In fact you only said "keep the stock off of it." That was flat wrong and is contradicted by the very letter you subsequently posted. Many people in here have numerous AR rifles and pistols. Your off the cuff response of - just use a rifle buffer tube/ don't put the stock on it, and you are good to go - was incomplete, inaccurate, and WRONG, and could get OP in trouble without the rest of the vital information needed to be in compliance. You know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to realize that... I will take my tinfoil hat over your dunce cap. OP if this is your only AR, you can go with a rifle buffer tube, but do not possess a stock. Or spend $40 and have nothing to worry about. First of all, you can't attach a CTR to a "rifle" buffer tube. The only thing that will attach to a "rifle" buffer tube is an A2 stock or the new Magpul Moe Rifle stock or PRS. I wouldn't take advice from someone who doesn't even use the correct terminology. If we can get past your name calling, we can address that a buffer tube is just a buffer tube. It serves no purpose other than to house the buffer. The problem arises when you place a stock on a tube installed on a pistol lower with a barrel shorter than 16" unpinned, or have a stock "readily available" around a pistol that can accept the stock. That is called constructive possession. Constructive intent is a misnomer. Furthermore, if the stock is installed on a nearby rifle in your possession, it is not "readily available". So my original advice still stands, keep a stock off of your pistol. I assumed any intelligent person could infer, don't have an extra stock near your pistol if using a buffer tube that will accept it. As far as my dunce cap, that is just your opinion. I choose not to live with paranoia. I think reason and logic will always prevail. Stop playing games already. You are the one who started the name calling with the tinfoil hat crap and your advice sucked. You cannot put a rifle buffer tube on your AR pistol and just keep the stock off - like you incorrectly told OP to do. You need to make sure not to possess a stock or modify the tube so the stock cannot be readily installed. That is not what you told OP. You advice does not "still stand." You can't just spin it like you were right. You were wrong. Face it and move on. And be more careful when you give out advice next time. |
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Ok, back on topic. If you hesitate to use a standard carbine buffer tube, I'd suggest either the Phase5, RRA, or Spikes. I have used Spikes on my pistol and it seems to be good quality. I see a lot of RRA tubes on pistol builds and have never heard of anyone having a problem with them. The PWS however has an additional polyurethane buffer in the base of the tube that I have heard of cases of it dislodging and interrupting the firearm cycling.
Be sure to post some pics when you get it together. Pistol AR's are alot of fun. I apologize for allowing this thread to turn into a pissing match with other members, we just have a difference of opinion. D |
| Safe is better then 10 years,even if you think your right. If you run the rifle tube fill the slot on the bottom with epoxy and level it smooth. Makes it impossible to put on a stock. Personally I like the full length tube for a few reasons. Mostly you can run carbine springs,making parts a little easier to find. Also gets you 26" with the 10.5 barrel |
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