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Posted: 9/22/2012 2:18:22 PM EDT
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Talking to a dealer today and he said you can buy any lower and when they call it in is when it gets registered as "other" and that you can build it as a pistol or a long gun.
Also is it a problem if I have a normal buffer tube on it as long as I only insall a buttstock on it if I have a long gun upper on it, and yes I have extra buttstocks laying around. I guess my question is can you go back and forth with it as long as no buttstock is on it when the pistol upper is on it. The thing is I have a 16" upper and sold the lower today but eventualy want to build a pistol upper for the new lower. |
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As long as you build the pistol first you can go back and forth between pistol and rifle. If you build as a rifle first your stuck with a rifle unless you SBR it on a form 1. Standard buffer is legal but generally not recommended, a pistol buffer tube removes all problems or questions. |
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As long as you build the pistol first you can go back and forth between pistol and rifle. If you build as a rifle first your stuck with a rifle unless you SBR it on a form 1. Standard buffer is legal but generally not recommended, a pistol buffer tube removes all problems or questions. This. Be aware that if your first assemble as a pistol, then go rifle, make sure you put the long upper on before you put a stock on it. If going back to pistol, make sure you put the pistol buffer and/or take the stock off before putting the short upper on. At no time do you want it to be in SBR configuration without a stamp. Also, avoid like the plague using a carbine buffer tube (i.e. collapsible stock tube) as your pistol tube. |
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Your going to want to buy another lower, because possession of the pistol upper with a rifle lower will get 10 in the pen, it would fall under constructive intent. The most legal approach for this is buy another stripped lower and put a pistol buffer tube on it. What you are talking about is a lot cheaper but is somewhere to between questionable and illegal. I would not want to be walking on the questionable line with the BATFE it usually doesn't turn out well for you. Another issue will come into play if you happen to be in possession of a M4 butt stock unattached with a carbine buffer tube lower with a pistol upper on it. Most of the laws you would breaking possibly revolve around constructive intent. The cost of the dedicated pistol lower is much cheaper than an attorney, possible loss of liberty, and property.
So to clear this up, you want one lower rifle with rifle upper. you want another pistol lower, with pistol upper. Also unless you live in a state that registers firearms, they are not registered when the dealer calls in in, all he is doing is verifying you can purchase the firearm nothing more. Another option is do the Form 1, that way you don't really have to worry about being in possession of an SBR as long as you have the SBR lower. This is really the only way to do what you are asking legally. |
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Quoted: Your going to want to buy another lower, because possession of the pistol upper with a rifle lower will get 10 in the pen, it would fall under constructive intent. The most legal approach for this is buy another stripped lower and put a pistol buffer tube on it. What you are talking about is a lot cheaper but is somewhere to between questionable and illegal. I would not want to be walking on the questionable line with the BATFE it usually doesn't turn out well for you. Another issue will come into play if you happen to be in possession of a M4 butt stock unattached with a carbine buffer tube lower with a pistol upper on it. Most of the laws you would breaking possibly revolve around constructive intent. The cost of the dedicated pistol lower is much cheaper than an attorney, possible loss of liberty, and property. So to clear this up, you want one lower rifle with rifle upper. you want another pistol lower, with pistol upper. Also unless you live in a state that registers firearms, they are not registered when the dealer calls in in, all he is doing is verifying you can purchase the firearm nothing more. Another option is do the Form 1, that way you don't really have to worry about being in possession of an SBR as long as you have the SBR lower. This is really the only way to do what you are asking legally. Um, no. If the firearm starts as a pistol you can have a rifle upper and a stock as a "kit". Read ATF 2011-4. |
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Your going to want to buy another lower, because possession of the pistol upper with a rifle lower will get 10 in the pen, it would fall under constructive intent. The most legal approach for this is buy another stripped lower and put a pistol buffer tube on it. What you are talking about is a lot cheaper but is somewhere to between questionable and illegal. I would not want to be walking on the questionable line with the BATFE it usually doesn't turn out well for you. Another issue will come into play if you happen to be in possession of a M4 butt stock unattached with a carbine buffer tube lower with a pistol upper on it. Most of the laws you would breaking possibly revolve around constructive intent. The cost of the dedicated pistol lower is much cheaper than an attorney, possible loss of liberty, and property. So to clear this up, you want one lower rifle with rifle upper. you want another pistol lower, with pistol upper. Also unless you live in a state that registers firearms, they are not registered when the dealer calls in in, all he is doing is verifying you can purchase the firearm nothing more. Another option is do the Form 1, that way you don't really have to worry about being in possession of an SBR as long as you have the SBR lower. This is really the only way to do what you are asking legally. Um, no. If the firearm starts as a pistol you can have a rifle upper and a stock as a "kit". Read ATF 2011-4. Beat me to it. Not only would I read it, I would print out and keep ALL copies/letters whathaveyou regarding the current config of your AR pistol.. My bag has 2011-4, in addition to letters regarding the AFG (NOT a VFG), building from stripped uppers, in ADDITION to printouts of state law regarding pistols, definitions of what comprises an SBR, and whatnot. I keep a few spare copies as well, in case others (LE) are interested or want 'proof' that it's in a legal configuration. LE isn't always up on firearm laws, hell, a lot of 'gun guys' aren't up on firearm laws... Hell, I thought I was a 'gun guy', but never even HEARD of an AR pistol until shortly before I joined this site. Carrying documentation is the easiest way to let people know that things are on the up and up, when dealing with 'grey area' firearms. It could very easily be the difference between 'I'm not sure, but you have a copy of all the laws, so I'll double check on this, just to be on the safe side'....and 'It's an AR15 that you put a short barrel on. Right now you're being detained for suspicion of possessing a short barrel rifle, put your hands behind your back'.. |
| You guys are right you can have it as a kit, but if you ever break up the kit you can have issues, IMO I would just rather have the pistol lower with a pistol upper, and rifle lower with a rifle upper, than one and keep moving parts around. If you were ever to have the butt stock in close proximity to the pistol with a buffer tube that it can attach to, with out the rifle barrel you could have some issues. |
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Quoted: You guys are right you can have it as a kit, but if you ever break up the kit you can have issues, IMO I would just rather have the pistol lower with a pistol upper, and rifle lower with a rifle upper, than one and keep moving parts around. If you were ever to have the butt stock in close proximity to the pistol with a buffer tube that it can attach to, with out the rifle barrel you could would have some issues. Well yea, that's just common sense. Oh, and I fixed it for you. |
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