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Posted: 4/28/2009 6:56:04 PM EDT
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(c) Rifle The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or
redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge. http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170 |
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I was reading court documents and guy was convicted because he had long barreled ar15 and short upper. ATF agent showed judge that it takes 30 sec to change uppers. From court docs: ".....for a weapon to be a "rifle," that weapon simply must be capable of being "readily restored to fire." So imagine you are in Federal court and ATF agent shows judge that ittakes 1 min. or less to switch uppers on your pistol and rifle. Ready for 10years? Did the defendant in that case have a lower receiver which could have been legally mated to the short barreled upper (e.g., pistol lower, RR, SBR lower)? Nope, he didn't. All he had was a rifle lower. See the difference between the result in that case and what you're all worked up about? |
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I was reading court documents and guy was convicted because he had long barreled ar15 and short upper. ATF agent showed judge that it takes 30 sec to change uppers. From court docs: ".....for a weapon to be a "rifle," that weapon simply must be capable of being "readily restored to fire." So imagine you are in Federal court and ATF agent shows judge that ittakes 1 min. or less to switch uppers on your pistol and rifle. Ready for 10years? Did the defendant in that case have a lower receiver which could have been legally mated to the short barreled upper (e.g., pistol lower, RR, SBR lower)? Nope, he didn't. All he had was a rifle lower. See the difference between the result in that case and what you're all worked up about? You sir are correct. Otherwise everyone with a contender or G2 with both pistol and rifle set ups would have the same problem. |
You must produce proof / documentation (that you don't have) And you need to change the topic to if you have an AR-15 and a pistol UPPER (wich can be construed as intent) and = problems....... your topic states: that if you have an AR-15 and an AR-pistol (pistol upper and registered pistol lower) could mean trouble do some research on what the law is..................... 
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Quoted: I do hope I am wrong. Defendant had complete long barreled rifle and short upper.Did the defendant in that case have a lower receiver which could have been legally mated to the short barreled upper (e.g., pistol lower, RR, SBR lower)? Nope, he didn't. All he had was a rifle lower. See the difference between the result in that case and what you're all worked up about? Guy was convicted not because he built SBR. He was convicted because he could do it in 30 sec.! Exactly same situation with rifle/pistol owners! They can! |
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I do hope I am wrong. Defendant had complete long barreled rifle and short upper.
Did the defendant in that case have a lower receiver which could have been legally mated to the short barreled upper (e.g., pistol lower, RR, SBR lower)? Nope, he didn't. All he had was a rifle lower. See the difference between the result in that case and what you're all worked up about? Guy was convicted not because he built SBR. He was convicted because he could do it in 30 sec.! Exactly same situation with rifle/pistol owners! They can! Nope it is not exactly the same situation. The difference is intent. If you have a complete pistol and a complete rifle the government can not show that you have intent to make an SBR which is a key element in most crimes. If all you have is a complete rifle and a pistol upper at that time they can show intent to violate the NFA. |
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Quoted: first learn to read, second if you cannot say something nice shut the f up. Same to 70 satvertWTF is it with these new accounts, low post counts and BS stories. As said, if you have a complete rifle and a pistol upper without a pistol lower yes. Trouble. But your title says a RIFLE and PISTOL. Nothing about just uppers. Post link to story or GTFO! |
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first learn to read, second if you cannot say something nice shut the f up. Same to 70 satvert
WTF is it with these new accounts, low post counts and BS stories. As said, if you have a complete rifle and a pistol upper without a pistol lower yes. Trouble. But your title says a RIFLE and PISTOL. Nothing about just uppers. Post link to story or GTFO! To the Op dude seriously mellow out. Were they a little harsh? Maybe but you need to realize how often people come in here spouting wrong information, which shows they did little or no research before making fools of themselves. It can get tiring. Then you throw in the little fact that when multiple people pointed out why your claim was wrong you continue to argue the point saying you are right and you expect people to be nice?. |
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To the Op dude seriously mellow out. Were they a little harsh? Maybe but you need to realize how often people come in here spouting wrong information, which shows they did little or no research before making fools of themselves. It can get tiring. Then you throw in the little fact that when multiple people pointed out why your claim was wrong you continue to argue the point saying you are right and you expect people to be nice?. Reasons guy was convicted were: 1. Definition of rifle (can be quickly restored) 2. it took 30 sec to change uppers. If judge decided that this was enough, same can be said about rifle/pistol owners. Well, I did my best to explain. |
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Quoted: http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170Asking for the thread to be deleted and removing your text isnt helping your case either. All I asked for was the source of your posting... Outside of that, sounds like a DU troll poking around with BS info again. http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170 http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170 http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170 |
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To the Op dude seriously mellow out. Were they a little harsh? Maybe but you need to realize how often people come in here spouting wrong information, which shows they did little or no research before making fools of themselves. It can get tiring. Then you throw in the little fact that when multiple people pointed out why your claim was wrong you continue to argue the point saying you are right and you expect people to be nice?. Reasons guy was convicted were: 1. Definition of rifle (can be quickly restored) 2. it took 30 sec to change uppers. If judge decided that this was enough, same can be said about rifle/pistol owners. Well, I did my best to explain. No I can read and I do get what you are saying. However, I and others pointed out the simple flaw in your logic. Then you said it was exactly the same thing despite multiple people explaining why it wasn't. I then gave a more detailed explanation. For the third time from me. Having a pistol and a rifle is not the same thing as having a rifle and an SBR upper. In the first case there is no way for the government to prove your intent to violate the law(unless you were dumb enough to take pictures brag about having used it as an SBR etc). However, if you have the rifle and upper only THEN they can show what a reasonable person would consider intent. So NO the same can not be said for rifles in pistols because unlike a stand alone upper the pistol is legally a seperate firearm. It is not a matter of you explaining it poorly. We know exactly what you are saying. And what you are saying is 100% wrong. So it is the fact that you refuse to accept the information provided to you. Check some of the tacked threads in the tech forums. Check the tech forums for relevant threads. Or maybe listen to what people are telling you and ask questions instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and going nanananananana. ETA: Since you don't want to take the word of anyone in this thread, Here is a link to the AR pistol forum. The FAQ section would appear to agree with everyone but you. http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=122 |
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Moreover, Kent has never contended that there was a pistol grip or any other piece that he could use to make a legal weapon from this short- barreled upper receiver unit. Indeed, it would not be possible to combine the short-barreled upper receiver unit with any kind of lower chamber or *878 lower receiver unit, such as a pistol grip, to create a weapon that would not be a "firearm" for purposes of the NFA. [FN9]
From the quarterbore post you linked to. Seems to me the court in their opinion is saying if he had been able to use the upper to make a legal weapon with parts on hand he would have been ok. |
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It seems that the pistol forum AR15is nothing but doom and gloom now. It's too bad, because it was one of the reasons that I first started coming to this site. Now a significant portion of threads are misinformation threads like this one.  Fixed it for ya. |
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