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Posted: 6/18/2008 6:55:38 PM EDT
| Anyone know where i can find one of those short buffer tubes, like the one from gunsmoke, or the carbon 15. I need something 4 or 5 inches long, a CAR tube is too long. I might end up ordering the gunsmoke one, but they have a poor rep. |
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Hate to burst your expectations because I wanted the same thing,,,, but......... To make the answer simple. I haven't heard of many of these short tube actually working, and I'm not real sure of those stories saying they did. I have a 10.5 inch in .223 but the tube is about the same length as a Carbine tube. I have a 7.5 inch Pistol made up with a 1.5" buffer tube but it's in 22LR. The tube is so it will Stand Up to lean against the side of my safe. Good Luck, SO-13 |
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Oddly enough, I'm not concerned with the gun functioning, merely looking like it does for an hour or so. With the 4 inch tube and a 14.5 inch permaphantom, the overall length will be less than 30 inches, and more than 26, and is considered a pistol in my state and must be registered as such. Then as a side effect, I can carry it under my concealed pistol license. Most 16 inch barreled AK, FAL, AR-180 and similar folders, and pistol gripped 18 inch shotguns fall into the same law. |
You actually want to conceal carry an AR pistol? |
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Well, no, not exactly. It won't be an actual AR-15 pistol. I'm going to remove the stock from an AR-15 rifle and put on this buffer. That will give me an overall length of more than 26 inches, and keep it from being a short barreled rifle while still being less than 30 inches which under Michigan law is a considered a pistol and must be registered as one. I need the overall length to fall in the 4 inch gap. Then I'll put the stock back on. Think of an AK folder, when folded it is over 26, but less than 30 inches long and in Michigan must be registered as a pistol . Same as the factory mossberg pistol grip shotguns. From my understanding that was the origin of this AG opinion actually. I can't assemble it as a pistol with a short barrel, since after all it is a rifle under federal law, and would be NFA. I'd need a pistol reciever to do so. Lastly, if it's registered as a pistol, I can carry it under my CPL. I know thats retarded sounding. I ain't a member of the trenchcoat mafia. In Michigan you can't carry a loaded rifle accessible to the driver in the passenger compartment of a car, and a loaded pistol in the same place is considered concealed. But a loaded rifle or shotgun; registered as a pistol would be okay. So, this would be a "back seat" gun I guess. I have an AR, an AK, an 870, and an Ithaca 37 all going through this, but the AR is the hardest to hit the length goal. |
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I see. I believe under federal law it is still an SBR. Also, once an AR rifle is registered and built into a rifle it can no loger become a pistol. Again, a federal law. You should read up on this before you get into some serious shit. Unless I am completely missunderstanding what you are saying. Your barrel is 16 inches? Never mind about the SBR thing, but I still do not think you can register an AR as a pistol once it's already been a rifle. |
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You are correct, you can't register a receiver as a pistol once it's been a rifle, under federal law. But under federal law this will never be a pistol, or SBR. The barrel is 16 inches as shipped from CMMG, and the overall length is greater than 26 inches, it will always remain a rifle. But Michigan law defines a pistol as any operational firearm under 30 inches as opposed to the federal 26. Everyone who owns an AK folding rifle in Michigan HAS to register it as a pistol, It's the law here and only here I believe. They just didn't intend people like me to read it, and it was long before Michigan was a shall issue state. So it's a little known kind of a loophole I guess. I'm still trying to find the document I read that states this is legal, it was an official document from the state police or attorney general I believe. As an alternative I've got an AR pistol reciever ordered to assemble properly with a 16 inch barrel and then a stock to achieve the sorta same thing. I know this all seems kinda stupid, but I'm a gun nerd, what can I say. I plan to have literally one of everything before the ban 
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Since you don't care about it functioning, just cut a rifle tube short and JBweld a plug in the end and paint it black. Cut it whatever you need to fit your OAL. I understand what you are doing, and you aren't violating anything federal. I just measured two ARs in different configurations, but it looks like a 16" barrel and a carbine buffertube are about 30.5" overall. I'd be willing to bet you could meet the <30" with some tinkering and get it to work. You'd need to make sure your barrel is 16.001" with perm FH, and slightly shorten a CAR stock. You could get someone to thread the tube further back, and trim the front of the stock, and then it would still slide open. You'd need a shorter buffer. |
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To my understanding, the Gunsmoke pistol buffer was similar (if not identical) to the original Model 1 Sales buffer. The one that used a recoil spring similar to a 1911 recoil spring. It can be make to work, but for how long, I'm not sure. I ended up ordering a Wolff extra power (highest one) spring for a 1911. I just trimmed it to fit the tube. Best way to fit it was to snip the spring enough so when the pistol recoiled, the mag would still lock the bolt/carrier back. Trim just a hair smaller so that the spring is not 'bunched' up on it's self when recoiled, have a bit of room between the coils. That's how I trimmed mine. I've only shot about 250 rounds, same spring still. But I have the 11 or 10" barrel.... |
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It may no longer be a rifle. 18 USC, Chapter 44,Section 921, (a)(7). says: The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. If you remove the stock, it is no longer designed to be fired from the shoulder, and would therefore not meet the definition of a rifle. |
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