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Posted: 2/16/2016 12:34:56 PM EDT
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Looking for a project. Will even look at Wildcats. Wondering what people would recommend. I like the 6.5 PCC and the Grendel, but I do not like
the different bolt and mags. Would like to keep it in the original AR15 configuriation, not the AR10 Thoughts? Need something for punching good paper at a good clip. Gracias |
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We normally shoot steel at those ranges, unless you have a range with pits for scoring bulls on paper.
The bolt and mags with 6.5 Grendel are not a big deal. They are readily available and affordable. You're going to have a hard time beating that unless you go wildcat with something in 6mm or 6.5mm. |
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I do like the Grendel, I am wondering if you could push a 6.5 PCC or Wolverine that far accuratley You should look at the 6.8 SPC. Either a 16 or 18 in barrel. Loaded to SPC II speeds/pressures there are a number of projectiles that perform well out to 800 yards, even farther. Additions to the 130gr. .277 bullet line up with BC in the .420 to .500 G1 BC range are coming out all the time. With ogive's compatible with mag length loading. |
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I did not know the 6.8 would go out that far and be that flat shooting. That is something to think about It's not. It will get there, but with very low probability of hit due to wind drift, as well as low stability factor with loose rifling. You'll see people pop in from time to time who have zero long range experience talking about how great the 6.8 does at distance, which is simply ridiculous. The .277 bore does well in the .270 Winchester and .270 WSM, with actual bullets with good BC's running over 3000fps, but has never been popular for long range or target since .264" (6.5mm) and .284" (7mm) have so much more of a selection of target bullets, and tighter twist rates common in the barrel-making world. The 6.8 fails miserably in both those departments, in that it can only use very short ogive projectiles, pushes them at slow speeds, and has loose twist rates. It's a non-starter as a target round for 800yds, unless you have no wind at all. |
| I've got a 16" 6.5 Grendel with a CAR carbine hand guard that shoots pretty darn good off a bi-pod and rear bag. I'm using a Leupold Mark AR 3-9 Mildot scope and get 1-1.5 MOA groups at 600 yards if I get my wind call using factory A-Max. I can barely dial my scope up to 800 yards at 350' ASL using factory A-Max at 2450 FPS. I got hooked on shooting longer range and for shooting 800 + yards I'd recommend a quality barrel (I bought a 20" Shilen), a canted 20 MOA scope mount (I bought an Aadmount) and a decent scope, I bought a Vortex Viper 6.5-20X50 Mildot. I shot this rifle at 880 yards and had 5 out 5 hits on a steel upper torso silhouette. I'm not that great of shot but my 6.5 Grendel makes even me look good. |
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Although 6.5 Grendel and 6.8SPC are considered "mainstream", they are about as wild as this cat will go.
Many people have to work out bugs with 6.5 and 6.8 which tells me that they still have room to grow. I would stick with one of those before ever considering something more exotic. Resale on something that different is almost impossible, not to mention keeping all of your brass separated because the headstamp won't represent the actual caliber on a true wildcat. BTW - I own a 6mmWOA space gun, so I speak with some experience. |
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It's not. It will get there, but with very low probability of hit due to wind drift, as well as low stability factor with loose rifling. You'll see people pop in from time to time who have zero long range experience talking about how great the 6.8 does at distance, which is simply ridiculous. The .277 bore does well in the .270 Winchester and .270 WSM, with actual bullets with good BC's running over 3000fps, but has never been popular for long range or target since .264" (6.5mm) and .284" (7mm) have so much more of a selection of target bullets, and tighter twist rates common in the barrel-making world. The 6.8 fails miserably in both those departments, in that it can only use very short ogive projectiles, pushes them at slow speeds, and has loose twist rates. It's a non-starter as a target round for 800yds, unless you have no wind at all. Quoted:
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I did not know the 6.8 would go out that far and be that flat shooting. That is something to think about It's not. It will get there, but with very low probability of hit due to wind drift, as well as low stability factor with loose rifling. You'll see people pop in from time to time who have zero long range experience talking about how great the 6.8 does at distance, which is simply ridiculous. The .277 bore does well in the .270 Winchester and .270 WSM, with actual bullets with good BC's running over 3000fps, but has never been popular for long range or target since .264" (6.5mm) and .284" (7mm) have so much more of a selection of target bullets, and tighter twist rates common in the barrel-making world. The 6.8 fails miserably in both those departments, in that it can only use very short ogive projectiles, pushes them at slow speeds, and has loose twist rates. It's a non-starter as a target round for 800yds, unless you have no wind at all. Now your outright lying to promote the Grendel I see. Im shooting bullets with BC's from .420 to .540 out of my 6.8. The Triad 3R barrel were designed specifically for target shooting to 1000 yards with Berger bullets. From mag length. Your claims of no target bullets in a .277 caliber are 5+ years old. There are many companies making target bullets in .277 in the BC's I stated. Cutting Edge Berger I run this bullet 2600 fps loaded to 2.31 Matrix These are just a few. Run the numbers on them yourselves and even use 2500 fps from a 130gr out of a 16 in barrel and see for yourself. Better windage than a 123 Amax at 2350 to 2400 Stick you what you know LR. |
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