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Posted: 8/4/2014 1:57:09 AM EDT
| I have an Armalite AR-10B A4 with 20 inch barrel. Getting the free float handguard installed soon, part on order. What kind of accuracy can I expect out this rifle with factory match ammo, and handloads? I would be shooting the site ins off a bench rest, then be able to shoot off a bi-pod. I would like to site in, and check accuracy out to 300 hundred with the factory ammo, then start to hand load my own using 150 to 155 match bullets. I'm hoping that the rifle can shoot 1.5 MOA with factory match and closer to 1 MOA with my handloads. |
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The Armalite website claims 1.5 to 2 MOA with 150-175 grain ammo. With marketing speak the way it is, I am willing to bet that was with the best ammo they could find or produce, if they do such a thing for those tests.
http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A4BF&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=4052a69e-f815-4c59-a4dd-6466fd4c4ab8 |
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I just realized I copied and pasted the wrong link above. Fixed it. My rifle with 150 grain handload went 1.7033 MOA AVERAGE of five, 5-shot groups {100 yards}. These were shot from resting on my rucksack from prone. Here's the rifle. 
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. |
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Here's my 2nd AR-10A4 from 2000. It was my 4th AR-10 since 1999.
I've gone through almost a dozen B Series ARMALITE AR-10s and have two (2) at this time: 20" 10T & 20" 10A4. Never met a 20" ARMALITE AR-10T or A4 that couldn't shoot under 1" 5 shot Groups @ 100yds, consistently, with fodder that it liked. 
Sighting-In evening before Bambi Bashing Opening Day 2000 with AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA RedDot, Georgia Arms Precision Plus 165gr NBT @ 2700fps: 
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I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. Quoted:
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. I bet that they gave a huge MOA rating to keep from having to deal with the average shooter, on the da-da-damn phone, bitching about their AR-10 not making grade. Their customer base is not the same as GAP, Gradous, Accurate Ordnance, ... in income or intelligence. BUTT!!! I have to give them them credit for being smart enough to purchase an ARMALITE AR-10{B or A, CM or SS} |
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I just realized I copied and pasted the wrong link above. Fixed it. My rifle with 150 grain handload went 1.7033 MOA AVERAGE of five, 5-shot groups {100 yards}. These were shot from resting on my rucksack from prone. Here's the rifle.  Quoted:
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I just realized I copied and pasted the wrong link above. Fixed it. My rifle with 150 grain handload went 1.7033 MOA AVERAGE of five, 5-shot groups {100 yards}. These were shot from resting on my rucksack from prone. Here's the rifle. Quit showing off with irons and let us know what happens when you mount glass on her. 
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Quit showing off with irons and let us know what happens when you mount glass on her.
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I just realized I copied and pasted the wrong link above. Fixed it. My rifle with 150 grain handload went 1.7033 MOA AVERAGE of five, 5-shot groups {100 yards}. These were shot from resting on my rucksack from prone. Here's the rifle. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/ArmaLiteAR10/RangeDayAR1005182014005_zps59cf1b0e.jpg Quit showing off with irons and let us know what happens when you mount glass on her.
Thanks but for the MOA Challenge noted above I shot it with a scope. Not Sub-MOA. This is a standard, NON-freefloated handguard, etc. Pic above is simply a pic I shot whilst shooting iron sighted. DaveS: when are you going to take your one-holers over and shoot that Challenge? |
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The Shooter... then ammo choice. BTW, most people can't shoot. Quoted:
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What is the weak link for accuracy is the AR-10B? Would a barrel change make it a better shooter? The Shooter... then ammo choice. BTW, most people can't shoot. I hope so, after I get the free float handguards installed and a few boxes of federal match ammo, I'm going to see what she can do. I have the Leuopld mark AR 3x9 on top. I have a RRA coyote rifle in 223 that I can hit a 12 inch plate with at 600 yards 9 out of 10 shots on a calm day. Wind estimation is the bane of my long range game. If I can do the same with the Armalite I will be happy. |
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DaveS: when are you going to take your one-holers over and shoot that Challenge? I hope within the next two months. Dad keeps wearing my ass out. I hope the day he quits doing that doesn't come too soon. I give him a shower tonight and cook a fresh U.S. grown Leg of Lamb Sat or Sun for him. Braising it in Merlot & Balsamic reduction brought back up to level with Swanson Beef Stock, onion, stewed tomatoes, rosemary, thyme, etc with Navy Beans sitting in the au jus. I don't have time to make the beef stock out of shank... I've got his and my own yard work, meals for him and my own family, yada yada. Wife is an ER Nurse Fri-Sun night and is out of commission. 18OCT14 will be his 95th. |
| My AR 10A4 when I got it 2nd hand, but like new, had a Noveske 308 SS barrel and a Noveske SWS free float hand guard. it also had the heaviest trigger pull on any rifle I have ever owned, over 9 lbs. With the stock trigger the best could do was 1.75" 5 shoot 100 yard groups with a VV Viper PST FFP 4-16X50 scope. I put in a Geissle SSA-E trigger and it now consistently shoots sub 1 moa groups. |
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I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. Quoted:
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. The post MOA for the rifle in the configuration shown for the listing. If it is being sold non-FF, the test is done non-FF. |
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I bet that they gave a huge MOA rating to keep from having to deal with the average shooter, on the da-da-damn phone, bitching about their AR-10 not making grade. Their customer base is not the same as GAP, Gradous, Accurate Ordnance, ... in income or intelligence. BUTT!!! I have to give them them credit for being smart enough to purchase an ARMALITE AR-10{B or A, CM or SS} Quoted:
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I also bet when they did that test it was not free floated but stock, the way the rifle is sold.... I'm willing to bet you are mistaken. I bet they conduct marketing testing with every possible advantage. The 2MOA is probably about standard, while 1.5 MOA, is about the best you will squeeze out of that model rifle. I am sure you will get people claiming otherwise, but that is most likely a fluke example, or they simply don't know how to measure MOA. I bet that they gave a huge MOA rating to keep from having to deal with the average shooter, on the da-da-damn phone, bitching about their AR-10 not making grade. Their customer base is not the same as GAP, Gradous, Accurate Ordnance, ... in income or intelligence. BUTT!!! I have to give them them credit for being smart enough to purchase an ARMALITE AR-10{B or A, CM or SS} Yep, they state a larger group that what was actually test fired for the reasons you mentioned. |
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