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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 308 build... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/27/2014 11:53:41 PM EDT
| Reference thread.... lots of info regarding lr308 build below |
| The new DPMS Gen 2's seem to be really nice from what those who own them have said. They are also the lightest production 308 AR available. Conversely the Sig is going to be one of the heavier ones. Something to consider if you are going to be humping it around in the woods. Another one not mentioned that is very nice and also light is the M&P 10. |
| Yeah, I went to gander to see that one. Its definitely a looker. I'm experimenting with the thought of a .308 build... BUT I'm still in the research phase and so far I've only understood that there are a couple "types" of .308 ARs... AR-10/LR308? If thats correct, I am not sure. But basically, all im wondering is what brands go with which? I'm looking for more "compatibility" so i've heard the "DPMS" line is a little more versatile compared to the "Armalite" line. Am I reading correctly or am i still in the dark? Changing intro and title to represent this. |
| That's how i see it too. In the long run, it'll serve ME better. I am just trying my best to gain as much knowledge as I can about companies/products and compatibility. Some of these companies I've never heard of so most of the information is based off what's posted. |
| I just recently built my 308 AR mainly because I couldn't find exactly what I wanted from a factory option and would have spent even more money replacing stuff. The DPMS style is more popular and has more options than the Armalite version. Also, the Armalite version cannot use PMAGs if that is something affects your choice. The DPMS does have two different profiles (high and low) no real difference other than some hand guards are only available in one or the other. So you will need to choose your receiver set and hand guard first, everything else is fairly standard. I used the new Rainier Arms receivers and the Rainier branded Fortis Switch rail. For me half the fun of a new gun is picking out the components and putting it all together, be careful though, 308 stuff gets expensive quick. |
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I hear ya. I got the hi/low profile difference understood. I see things get expensive quick, that's why my build will be a slow push for a great rifle. Right now, im trying to find a lower/upper set that is a good bang for your buck type deal. Barrels, I'm lost. Handguards I know as much as my AR-15 has taught me.
Also, is there that big of a difference between 1x10 and 1x11? I know 1x10 puts more spin on the bullet... But thats as far as I've understood that book. |
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Yeah, I went to gander to see that one. Its definitely a looker. I'm experimenting with the thought of a .308 build... BUT I'm still in the research phase and so far I've only understood that there are a couple "types" of .308 ARs... AR-10/LR308? If thats correct, I am not sure. But basically, all im wondering is what brands go with which? I'm looking for more "compatibility" so i've heard the "DPMS" line is a little more versatile compared to the "Armalite" line. Am I reading correctly or am i still in the dark? Changing intro and title to represent this. How long is your range that you're going to shoot? That can be the choice between a blaster and a precision rig. If you do want to reach out and touch something, Geissele triggers are the standard. For barrels: Bartlein, Hart, Schnieder, Lothar Walther, Shilen, Saturn, Douglas, Krieger, etc if you want to go custom. Noveske or Rainer if you want off the shelf. |
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How long is your range that you're going to shoot? That can be the choice between a blaster and a precision rig. If you do want to reach out and touch something, Geissele triggers are the standard. For barrels: Bartlein, Hart, Schnieder, Lothar Walther, Shilen, Saturn, Douglas, Krieger, etc if you want to go custom. Noveske or Rainer if you want off the shelf. Quoted:
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Yeah, I went to gander to see that one. Its definitely a looker. I'm experimenting with the thought of a .308 build... BUT I'm still in the research phase and so far I've only understood that there are a couple "types" of .308 ARs... AR-10/LR308? If thats correct, I am not sure. But basically, all im wondering is what brands go with which? I'm looking for more "compatibility" so i've heard the "DPMS" line is a little more versatile compared to the "Armalite" line. Am I reading correctly or am i still in the dark? Changing intro and title to represent this. How long is your range that you're going to shoot? That can be the choice between a blaster and a precision rig. If you do want to reach out and touch something, Geissele triggers are the standard. For barrels: Bartlein, Hart, Schnieder, Lothar Walther, Shilen, Saturn, Douglas, Krieger, etc if you want to go custom. Noveske or Rainer if you want off the shelf. Realistically, not past 500 yards. I'd like to be able to be efficient in the 2-300 area. I'm going more of a carbine style anyway, if you smell what I'm attempting to cook.... Also, I haven't looked into it, but I see quite a few different type barrel materials... 416 stainless, Chrome, moly, etc.... What is truly the difference? Also, I've seen those Geissele triggers going for a pretty penny... Too big of a pretty penny for me to swallow at the moment. So far for barrels, before you posted i've found these... http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/ar10-308-Barrel-16inch http://www.jsesurplus.com/DPMS16308HBarChromeMolyStrippedBarrel.aspx http://www.surplusammo.com/blackhole-weaponry-308-18-stainless-steel-1-11-poly-barrel-dpms-compatible/ <--- That one is a 18".... would rather a 16" https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3459 |
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I'm really not looking to spend over 2K... but I can see that is hard to avoid. My positive note about a build is I dont have to drop 1600 in one sitting and can build as funds allow and still get a good rifle. Thanks for any input or advice you have! I'd say build it. It is much cheaper to do so. The rifle platform that I'm building, the DPMS LR-308 SASS, costs over $2k retail, but I'm not going to come anywhere close to that cost by building it myself. When you build it then you won't have to spend extra money to customize it to the way you want it and have to change out parts to do so. |
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I'd say build it. It is much cheaper to do so. The rifle platform that I'm building, the DPMS LR-308 SASS, costs over $2k retail, but I'm not going to come anywhere close to that cost by building it myself. When you build it then you won't have to spend extra money to customize it to the way you want it and have to change out parts to do so. Quoted:
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I'm really not looking to spend over 2K... but I can see that is hard to avoid. My positive note about a build is I dont have to drop 1600 in one sitting and can build as funds allow and still get a good rifle. Thanks for any input or advice you have! I'd say build it. It is much cheaper to do so. The rifle platform that I'm building, the DPMS LR-308 SASS, costs over $2k retail, but I'm not going to come anywhere close to that cost by building it myself. When you build it then you won't have to spend extra money to customize it to the way you want it and have to change out parts to do so. Definitely agree with you. I'm just having a hard time picking what companies or company I should get my parts from... as most of them I have never heard of. |
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Definitely agree with you. I'm just having a hard time picking what companies or company I should get my parts from... as most of them I have never heard of. I've been using mostly DPMS parts and ordering them from MidwayUSA, because Midway USA offers coupon codes, free shipping(qualifying), and 1st time customer discounts. So, I've saved about $150 on the parts I ordered. So, I will have a legit DPMS build, but done by myself. I have ordered everything but the barrel and brake for my rifle and total cost is under $1,000 right now. The barrel will add another few hundred, but them I'm done. A solid SASS quality 308 for $1,300 instead of $2,400 is a pretty decent deal. You can build the rifle even cheaper if you're not ordering things like bull barrels. Between clearance pricing and discounts, Midway has saved me a good bit of money to use elsewhere on the gun. The bolt carrier group alone was marked down $80. I would have saved more money if I had ordered it all at one time. Midway USA Purchases
DPMS Magazine - $17.34 trigger assembly - 67.99 bolt carrier - 159.16 shipping ------ 8.39 Total (discounted $10) = $242.88 Gas tube - 11.70 pin punch - 5.99 DPMS Upper - 193.99 armorer tool - 40.49 shipping -------8.39 total (discounted $45) = $215.56 Then DPMS had a 50% sale on their website (may still be going) where I ordered their Tactical Grip for $20 off and got it for $20 |
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Very interesting. I may just go that route, but I've heard loads of good about the rainier match grade barrels... I've linked all the potential parts in the first post for people to give opinion on the items, but hasn't worked as well so far. Thanks tons in advance for your help. I may just go straight DPMS as well. I've debated getting Aero Precision upper and lower combo for 320... Also was looking at the rainier combos.... $$
I checked into that sale, saw some stuff but nothing very appealing to me. That grip is a great deal though. |
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Very interesting. I may just go that route, but I've heard loads of good about the rainier match grade barrels... I've linked all the potential parts in the first post for people to give opinion on the items, but hasn't worked as well so far. Thanks tons in advance for your help. I may just go straight DPMS as well. I've debated getting Aero Precision upper and lower combo for 320... Also was looking at the rainier combos.... $$ I was looking at prices for buying each individual part for both the upper and the bolt carrier group but it was going to be cheaper to just buy them already assembled or very close in price to not worry with the trouble. If you're going to build multiple rifles then you could save money (not on the first build) by picking up an unfinished lower receiver and drilling it out with a jig kit and then putting a finish coat on the receiver. By the time you buy the jig and coatings, like cerakote, then I think it would end up being around the same expense as just buying a finished transferable lower through a dealer. A DPMS lower, from an honest dealer, would cost you around $265-275. The receivers are $230 wholesale expense for a dealer and then it comes down to the marketplace profit markup on the dealer. It's usually between 15%-20% from dealer to dealer, unless they like ripping people off. So, at 15% it would cost $265 and at 20% it would be $276. However if you bought it online, and sent to a dealer for transfer, you're going to pay much more. Brownells sells the DPMS lower for $370 and then you're going to pay a dealer a transfer fee for the hassle of paperwork and background on a product that he didn't sell you. |
| Yeah I see what you mean. Is there really a performance difference between a chrome bcg and matte bcg? Or is it purely fashion? And I mean the aero precision receivers combo is cheap, and I've heard only good from them, but then again in this industry you usually get what you pay for... But if you can get the same for less, then why not! Again, thanks. |
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Yeah I see what you mean. Is there really a performance difference between a chrome bcg and matte bcg? Or is it purely fashion? And I mean the aero precision receivers combo is cheap, and I've heard only good from them, but then again in this industry you usually get what you pay for... But if you can get the same for less, then why not! Again, thanks. Chrome is better, but it depends on how you're going to use the firearm and the longevity that you want. You can upgrade later, it doesn't have to be right now. It comes down to physics and the drag coefficient of the matte phosphate steel carrier and the chromed carrier. Chrome is slicker and won't have as much drag as a phosphate carrier. The Chrome has a higher coefficient surface than a matte finish so, with the slicker surface, you will experience smoother function and longer part life due to less wear. I'm starting out with the phosphate bolt carrier. I will later upgrade to something like titanium nitride. |
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I see. Thank you for the information. This build will be a slow one... So I'm not bothered with buying quality the first time. What should a Good quality barrel be made of? I've seen 416 stainless, chrome lined, moly chrome, etc...?
Also, what does one think about the Aero upper/lowers? Or their product in general? |
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I see. Thank you for the information. This build will be a slow one... So I'm not bothered with buying quality the first time. What should a Good quality barrel be made of? I've seen 416 stainless, chrome lined, moly chrome, etc...? Also, what does one think about the Aero upper/lowers? Or their product in general? I was going to post the upper lower combo. $306 is hard to beat. Their 308 stuff is relatively new -I only have ar15 parts- however their quality is superb, especially for the price. |
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I also am in the research phase of an AR10 build.
I am looking at the MEGA arms upper/lower. It runs $577 and comes with the the charging handle and bolt catch. It also allows for the use of AR15 lower parts kit. MEGA upper/lower Barrel: I have used DEZ arms. DEZ Arms Barrels. 16, 18, 24 not sure about forearm. |
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I also am in the research phase of an AR10 build. I am looking at the MEGA arms upper/lower. It runs $577 and comes with the the charging handle and bolt catch. It also allows for the use of AR15 lower parts kit. MEGA upper/lower Barrel: I have used DEZ arms. DEZ Arms Barrels. 16, 18, 24 not sure about forearm. AIM has the Mega upper/lower for $469.95 use promo code: BRYANFREAKINROCKS |
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I built mine around Jan 2012, so getting parts took a while and prob cost me a few extra $. But i also knew i wanted certain parts and I had no problem waiting or waiting for them to go on sale/
POF NP3 builders kit (upper/lower/rail) - $400 (factory "blem") only blem i saw was on the rail, 1 of the rails had a small nick POF LPK - $50 JP yellow springs - $10 MOE2 grip - $10 PRS stock - $160 Fulton Armoy chrome carrier - $140 Rifle buffer/JP spring/buffer - $30 JP Supermatch barrel kit (barrel, break, adj gas block, gas tube, bolt) - $800 (this took 4 months to get alone and was my first purchase) It was between a rainer/fulton armory and JP. Only real reason i went with the JP is because they had a realistic wait time. only bad thing was i wanted a 20" and somehow I got a 22" (long story, JP made it right and I still have a coupon for a good discount on my next purchase)It was fine with me since this was going to be a bench rest rifle. total is about $1600 (prob closer to $1700 if u count shipping / tax on some items) Add ADM scope mount - $150 Sightron scope - $750 total is $2600. imo, kind of on the high side (atleast in my world. Im not like some who would *or could afford * drop 4k on a scope alone) EDIT: I forgot I did just get POF's new 14" rail. So there is $200 more |
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I see. Thank you for the information. This build will be a slow one... So I'm not bothered with buying quality the first time. What should a Good quality barrel be made of? I've seen 416 stainless, chrome lined, moly chrome, etc...? Also, what does one think about the Aero upper/lowers? Or their product in general? I was going to post the upper lower combo. $306 is hard to beat. Their 308 stuff is relatively new -I only have ar15 parts- however their quality is superb, especially for the price. Thank you for your response man. Any information is helpful! |
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I also am in the research phase of an AR10 build. I am looking at the MEGA arms upper/lower. It runs $577 and comes with the the charging handle and bolt catch. It also allows for the use of AR15 lower parts kit. MEGA upper/lower Barrel: I have used DEZ arms. DEZ Arms Barrels. 16, 18, 24 not sure about forearm. I saw the mega combo through rainiers site. Pretty expensive, but is it really any different from AP combo? Just paying for a name? I will have to look into DEZ... first I've heard of it... I'm trying to keep it as light as possible without damaging the overall reliability, integrity of the gun. I've seen Troy as a pretty common sight, also samson evo. I'm still undecided myself. Edit, might be a stupid question so pardon me the criticism but is the Mega considered "Ar10" or "dpms"? |
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I built mine around Jan 2012, so getting parts took a while and prob cost me a few extra $. But i also knew i wanted certain parts and I had no problem waiting or waiting for them to go on sale/ POF NP3 builders kit (upper/lower/rail) - $400 (factory "blem") only blem i saw was on the rail, 1 of the rails had a small nick POF LPK - $50 JP yellow springs - $10 MOE2 grip - $10 PRS stock - $160 Fulton Armoy chrome carrier - $140 Rifle buffer/JP spring/buffer - $30 JP Supermatch barrel kit (barrel, break, adj gas block, gas tube, bolt) - $800 (this took 4 months to get alone and was my first purchase) It was between a rainer/fulton armory and JP. Only real reason i went with the JP is because they had a realistic wait time. only bad thing was i wanted a 20" and somehow I got a 22" (long story, JP made it right and I still have a coupon for a good discount on my next purchase)It was fine with me since this was going to be a bench rest rifle. total is about $1600 (prob closer to $1700 if u count shipping / tax on some items) Add ADM scope mount - $150 Sightron scope - $750 total is $2600. imo, kind of on the high side (atleast in my world. Im not like some who would *or could afford * drop 4k on a scope alone) EDIT: I forgot I did just get POF's new 14" rail. So there is $200 more First off, can we have Some pictures? And I'm sure that's a beast to haul but I'm sure just as fun to reach out with. I want to try and minimize size and weight... I know it's not going to be AR15 weight but I definitely want to put forth a Good effort. I'm thinking of a 14" rail on my 16" barrel. Thanks for the many more options I can view. Any more information is appreciated.. how's the PRS? I thought I was set on the acs-l... And you got that pof combo for 400? Crazy! They're 2k! |
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I also am in the research phase of an AR10 build. I am looking at the MEGA arms upper/lower. It runs $577 and comes with the the charging handle and bolt catch. It also allows for the use of AR15 lower parts kit. MEGA upper/lower Barrel: I have used DEZ arms. DEZ Arms Barrels. 16, 18, 24 not sure about forearm. AIM has the Mega upper/lower for $469.95 use promo code: BRYANFREAKINROCKS Saving me money (maybe) thank you brother! |
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Complete assembled 308 upper for $687 shipped: http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Upper_Ajax_18_308
-Nickel boron bcg -Badass adjustable comp that literally makes the rifle recoil DOWNWARDS -Free floated -LR308 (pmag!) pattern |
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Complete assembled 308 upper for $687 shipped: http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Upper_Ajax_18_308 -Nickel boron bcg -Badass adjustable comp that literally makes the rifle recoil DOWNWARDS -Free floated -LR308 (pmag!) pattern I saw that... really wish it came in 16" and seems the barrel may not be very good quality? |
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First off, can we have Some pictures? And I'm sure that's a beast to haul but I'm sure just as fun to reach out with. I want to try and minimize size and weight... I know it's not going to be AR15 weight but I definitely want to put forth a Good effort. I'm thinking of a 14" rail on my 16" barrel. Thanks for the many more options I can view. Any more information is appreciated.. how's the PRS? I thought I was set on the acs-l... And you got that pof combo for 400? Crazy! They're 2k! Quoted:
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I built mine around Jan 2012, so getting parts took a while and prob cost me a few extra $. But i also knew i wanted certain parts and I had no problem waiting or waiting for them to go on sale/ total is about $1600 (prob closer to $1700 if u count shipping / tax on some items) Add ADM scope mount - $150 Sightron scope - $750 total is $2600. imo, kind of on the high side (atleast in my world. Im not like some who would *or could afford * drop 4k on a scope alone) EDIT: I forgot I did just get POF's new 14" rail. So there is $200 more First off, can we have Some pictures? And I'm sure that's a beast to haul but I'm sure just as fun to reach out with. I want to try and minimize size and weight... I know it's not going to be AR15 weight but I definitely want to put forth a Good effort. I'm thinking of a 14" rail on my 16" barrel. Thanks for the many more options I can view. Any more information is appreciated.. how's the PRS? I thought I was set on the acs-l... And you got that pof combo for 400? Crazy! They're 2k! Only pic I have is when I got the 14" rail and some 25 rnd pmags and took the old scope off in lieu of the new scope arriving. It is heavy, most of the weight is the barrel. i want to say the last time i weighed it, it was 16 or 16.5 lbs. The scope coming in weights 31 oz, so there is another 2 lbs.  But i also knew going in it was going to be heavy but since i was building a benchrest rifle, i dont care about the weight.
If i was going to go for more of a "light weight" 308, id obviously not go with such a heavy barrel. Idk what other info you may have, but just ask and if i cant answer i am sure others will chime in. I love the PRS. I was debating an A2 stock since it fits me (and my LOP) pretty close. but after i layed behind a few A2 stocks, i found i needed just a slight additional length and the height (cheek rest) needed to come up. I think if there was ONE thing i would suggest, its an adjustable gas block (im partial to JP). biggest reason is 308s are known to be way way way over pressured. specially the shorter u go. And i think the 308 builders kit went for around 850. EDIT: after posting the pic i forgot about the bipod (80) and mono-pod (80). 
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Very nice. Basically, I'm just debating lower/upper combo options, bcg options, barrel options. I was really just gonna go dpms combo with a rainier match grade 16".... But if I can find a better barrel for the price...? Or if AP makes receivers of equal quality.... then they're probably the way to go...bcg I haven't researched much yet ... chrome? Nib? Parkered?.... acs l stock, 14" handguard... triggers I know nothing about, gas blocks and lengths/configurations I know very little... carbine or mid? Muzzle attachment worth the money?
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Very nice. Basically, I'm just debating lower/upper combo options, bcg options, barrel options. I was really just gonna go dpms combo with a rainier match grade 16".... But if I can find a better barrel for the price...? Or if AP makes receivers of equal quality.... then they're probably the way to go...bcg I haven't researched much yet ... chrome? Nib? Parkered?.... acs l stock, 14" handguard... triggers I know nothing about, gas blocks and lengths/configurations I know very little... carbine or mid? Muzzle attachment worth the money? Also I couldn't find the builders kit just the expensive ones Personally I dont get all the hoop-la about the mega's. dont get me wrong, they are very nice and build quality is defiantly there. It just seems like some make it as if its the end all / be all of receivers. Since you arre building it, i would just find a quality set and go from there. Aero/mega/whp ever. As far as BCG's, again, find a quality 1 and go from there. I prefer the chromeNib type platings just because its easier to clean. Sounds like u r set on ur stock and hand guard. trigger... id say go all out, spend the coin, and get a nice geissele 2 stage (ssa-e), Gas block, again, id suggest an adjustable. gas tube lengths, im sure with a 16 inch u want a mid length. muzzle, thats ur preference. i see it more as a thread protector / crown protector more then anything. If u plan to supress then get 1 that would for it. the JP 1 i love, but if u shoot next to anyone, they will has u. and remember, its 308, its going to be alittle more expensive. |
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I also am in the research phase of an AR10 build. I am looking at the MEGA arms upper/lower. It runs $577 and comes with the the charging handle and bolt catch. It also allows for the use of AR15 lower parts kit. MEGA upper/lower Barrel: I have used DEZ arms. DEZ Arms Barrels. 16, 18, 24 not sure about forearm. AIM has the Mega upper/lower for $469.95 use promo code: BRYANFREAKINROCKS Absolute deal of the year, right here ! |
T M 80% lower contoured to match CMMG MK3 upper KAC ECC hand guard JP 20" barrel cut to 16" (wanted rifle length gas) JP bcg JP silent captured recoil spring system Geissele sd-e trigger Custom Ti adjustable gas block and suppressor retention nut KAC mams muzzle device Magpul str stock and grip Leopold MK 6 1-6 cmr ret. scope and mount |
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This thread has a wealth of information in it.
I'm currently debating whether or not I want to buy an M&P 10 or build my own 308 AR. I'd like to staby below $1500 so I'm thinking the M&P 10 MOE might be a good starting platform although building one does sounds really cool.... |
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Personally I dont get all the hoop-la about the mega's. dont get me wrong, they are very nice and build quality is defiantly there. It just seems like some make it as if its the end all / be all of receivers. Since you arre building it, i would just find a quality set and go from there. Aero/mega/whp ever. As far as BCG's, again, find a quality 1 and go from there. I prefer the chromeNib type platings just because its easier to clean. Sounds like u r set on ur stock and hand guard. trigger... id say go all out, spend the coin, and get a nice geissele 2 stage (ssa-e), Gas block, again, id suggest an adjustable. gas tube lengths, im sure with a 16 inch u want a mid length. muzzle, thats ur preference. i see it more as a thread protector / crown protector more then anything. If u plan to supress then get 1 that would for it. the JP 1 i love, but if u shoot next to anyone, they will has u. and remember, its 308, its going to be alittle more expensive. Quoted:
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Very nice. Basically, I'm just debating lower/upper combo options, bcg options, barrel options. I was really just gonna go dpms combo with a rainier match grade 16".... But if I can find a better barrel for the price...? Or if AP makes receivers of equal quality.... then they're probably the way to go...bcg I haven't researched much yet ... chrome? Nib? Parkered?.... acs l stock, 14" handguard... triggers I know nothing about, gas blocks and lengths/configurations I know very little... carbine or mid? Muzzle attachment worth the money? Also I couldn't find the builders kit just the expensive ones Personally I dont get all the hoop-la about the mega's. dont get me wrong, they are very nice and build quality is defiantly there. It just seems like some make it as if its the end all / be all of receivers. Since you arre building it, i would just find a quality set and go from there. Aero/mega/whp ever. As far as BCG's, again, find a quality 1 and go from there. I prefer the chromeNib type platings just because its easier to clean. Sounds like u r set on ur stock and hand guard. trigger... id say go all out, spend the coin, and get a nice geissele 2 stage (ssa-e), Gas block, again, id suggest an adjustable. gas tube lengths, im sure with a 16 inch u want a mid length. muzzle, thats ur preference. i see it more as a thread protector / crown protector more then anything. If u plan to supress then get 1 that would for it. the JP 1 i love, but if u shoot next to anyone, they will has u. and remember, its 308, its going to be alittle more expensive. Awesome. Thank you for the information and time! I've heard the stock g2 dpms 2 stage triggers are decent... cheaper to. Again, thank you for the time... and sometimes cleaning my black phosphate ar15 is annoying... I'll try nib. Also, weight means quite a bit... are they generally all the same weight? |
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I would put a stock trigger in it. Why? There's no sense in wasting money on a mediocre trigger, you'll eventually upgrade to a Geissele. I just figure it into build cost now. The SD3G is my favorite for a gun and run set up. That's the thing, I've never had any other trigger other than stock... I've always shot well enough for my comfort that I never thought of upgrading much... Thank you for the post! It's definitely something to consider |
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<a href="http://s186.photobucket.com/user/johnnyo223/media/null_zpsdc41a2b1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x255/johnnyo223/null_zpsdc41a2b1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s186.photobucket.com/user/johnnyo223/media/null_zps0cfefcfa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x255/johnnyo223/null_zps0cfefcfa.jpg</a> T M 80% lower contoured to match CMMG MK3 upper KAC ECC hand guard JP 20" barrel cut to 16" (wanted rifle length gas) JP bcg JP silent captured recoil spring system Geissele sd-e trigger Custom Ti adjustable gas block and suppressor retention nut KAC mams muzzle device Magpul str stock and grip Leopold MK 6 1-6 cmr ret. scope and mount With an 80% lower.... do you ever have to register that firearm? Might be a dumb question... But did you machine it yourself or can any cnc shop with some direction do it for you? And man, I'm digging that hand guard. I've thought about just spending the money and getting the jp barrel with the bolt, gas system, etc in a package.... seems to be a decent deal... how does that recoil system work for you? What's different? Thank you for the post brother. Great looking shooter by the way. |
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This thread has a wealth of information in it. I'm currently debating whether or not I want to buy an M&P 10 or build my own 308 AR. I'd like to staby below $1500 so I'm thinking the M&P 10 MOE might be a good starting platform although building one does sounds really cool.... I'll be honest, I don't have 1600 to spend on one of them, but I do have enough to start and finish a build in a decent amount of time... which is why I'm building... can take my time and really put into it what I want.. and not have to buy complete then modify and put parts on the shelf to sit there... good luck! |
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Right now on GB you can pick up a complete DPMS Sportical or Oracle in 308 for somewhere between 800 to 900.
Utilizing the $300+ Aero Precision upper and lower set as a basis, you cannot build a complete 308 AR for less than what you can buy a complete DPMS for, so trying to build your own as a cost saving measure is not a viable option at this time. But, in true ARFCOM fashion, I bought a DPMS Oracle, got it set up the way I wanted, and now I am in the process of building another 308 utilizing the Aero Precision upper and lower set as the basis for my next build 308 AR's are like potato chips, you can't have just one. |
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Right now on GB you can pick up a complete DPMS Sportical or Oracle in 308 for somewhere between 800 to 900. Utilizing the $300+ Aero Precision upper and lower set as a basis, you cannot build a complete 308 AR for less than what you can buy a complete DPMS for, so trying to build your own as a cost saving measure is not a viable option at this time. But, in true ARFCOM fashion, I bought a DPMS Oracle, got it set up the way I wanted, and now I am in the process of building another 308 utilizing the Aero Precision upper and lower set as the basis for my next build 308 AR's are like potato chips, you can't have just one. I didn't necessarily say it's cost saving, I said it's easier to slowly piece it together rather than drop a lump sum... at least that's how I see it...and how are the aero receivers? |
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I have to agree, the previously posted deal for the mega receivers is a great deal. In fact if I was looking to build a 308 ar, I'd prob be picking that up asap. You won't find a better quality set for under $500.
As far as trigger, dropping $230-280 for a trigger is alot. And I never shot a "quality" trigger. Even after I built my 308. 1 day at the range a guy asked to shoot my 308. He really enjoyed it but told me my trigger leaves something to desire, so he let me shoot his 6.5 that had a high speed match. Needless to say, i was sold. And alittle more broke. It's a lot of money, so if u can't budget it in now, save for later. I know there are alot of bcg's out there" I just went with who had 1 in stock. Mine happen to be Fulton armory. It was a chrome version. I wanted the Nib, but I think the only 1 out was a spikes and they were WAY on back order. I have been reading up on the Luth-AR stock. It's a light weight version of the prs. If i was going for weight savings but want the prs, I'd go for this stock As far as barrel, unless u want some match quality barrel, I wouldn't lose sleep on selecting one. Find a good quality one and go with it. If rainer has 1 in stock, go for it. As far as barrel length, personally with a 308 I wouldn't go shorter then 18". But if u want 16 go 16. I'd just lean towards a break that reduced sound more than recoil. Just remember if u get ur bolt and barrel from a different place, u will need a go/no go Guage. So see if the place that sells the barrel has a bolt and see of they can check head space for u. Either way, if u have the funds now I'd say get that receiver set now. That price won't last and when it's gone u will kick urself. Edit: As far as weight, for the most part they weigh the same. Obviously u can build 1 strictly for weight savings and get it under 10 lbs. U can also go my route and got more bench rest only were weight isn't an issue and have 1 flirting with 20 lbs. If I had to guess, I'd say, with optics, ur looking at 12-13 lbs. |
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Right now on GB you can pick up a complete DPMS Sportical or Oracle in 308 for somewhere between 800 to 900. Utilizing the $300+ Aero Precision upper and lower set as a basis, you cannot build a complete 308 AR for less than what you can buy a complete DPMS for, so trying to build your own as a cost saving measure is not a viable option at this time. But, in true ARFCOM fashion, I bought a DPMS Oracle, got it set up the way I wanted, and now I am in the process of building another 308 utilizing the Aero Precision upper and lower set as the basis for my next build 308 AR's are like potato chips, you can't have just one. I didn't necessarily say it's cost saving, I said it's easier to slowly piece it together rather than drop a lump sum... at least that's how I see it...and how are the aero receivers? I bought my gf all her parts to build her 223. (She had to get the stripped lower). I think we built hers for around $800. None of it was PSA either. I want to say it was Anderson lower/upper and I forget the rail, but it was a higher quality one. She got the parts she wanted and it was cheaper then if we went to buy a new 1. |
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This thread has a wealth of information in it. I'm currently debating whether or not I want to buy an M&P 10 or build my own 308 AR. I'd like to staby below $1500 so I'm thinking the M&P 10 MOE might be a good starting platform although building one does sounds really cool.... If u want to stay under $1500, u will prob have to buy factory. I'm sure u can get real close building ur own but prob end up going a few 100 over that price. It's just up to you if it's worth it. |
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I have to agree, the previously posted deal for the mega receivers is a great deal. In fact if I was looking to build a 308 ar, I'd prob be picking that up asap. You won't find a better quality set for under $500. As far as trigger, dropping $230-280 for a trigger is alot. And I never shot a "quality" trigger. Even after I built my 308. 1 day at the range a guy asked to shoot my 308. He really enjoyed it but told me my trigger leaves something to desire, so he let me shoot his 6.5 that had a high speed match. Needless to say, i was sold. And alittle more broke. It's a lot of money, so if u can't budget it in now, save for later. I know there are alot of bcg's out there" I just went with who had 1 in stock. Mine happen to be Fulton armory. It was a chrome version. I wanted the Nib, but I think the only 1 out was a spikes and they were WAY on back order. As far as barrel, unless u want some match quality barrel, I wouldn't lose sleep on selecting one. Find a good quality one and go with it. If rainer has 1 in stock, go for it. As far as barrel length, personally with a 308 I wouldn't go shorter then 18". But if u want 16 go 16. I'd just lean towards a break that reduced sound more than recoil. Just remember if u get ur bolt and barrel from a different place, u will need a go/no go Guage. So see if the place that sells the barrel has a bolt and see of they can check head space for u. Either way, if u have the funds now I'd say get that receiver set now. That price won't last and when it's gone u will kick urself. Edit: As far as weight, for the most part they weigh the same. Obviously u can build 1 strictly for weight savings and get it under 10 lbs. U can also go my route and got more bench rest only were weight isn't an issue and have 1 flirting with 20 lbs. If I had to guess, I'd say, with optics, ur looking at 12-13 lbs. Great tips and I will look back to it often before I make my purchases. And how do you like your chromed bcg? I can't see it being much different from nib... and you're taking about the mega combo? I have yet to look into it, but I'm guessing that's lr308? |
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Great tips and I will look back to it often before I make my purchases. And how do you like your chromed bcg? I can't see it being much different from nib... and you're taking about the mega combo? I have yet to look into it, but I'm guessing that's lr308? Quoted:
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I have to agree, the previously posted deal for the mega receivers is a great deal. In fact if I was looking to build a 308 ar, I'd prob be picking that up asap. You won't find a better quality set for under $500. As far as trigger, dropping $230-280 for a trigger is alot. And I never shot a "quality" trigger. Even after I built my 308. 1 day at the range a guy asked to shoot my 308. He really enjoyed it but told me my trigger leaves something to desire, so he let me shoot his 6.5 that had a high speed match. Needless to say, i was sold. And alittle more broke. It's a lot of money, so if u can't budget it in now, save for later. I know there are alot of bcg's out there" I just went with who had 1 in stock. Mine happen to be Fulton armory. It was a chrome version. I wanted the Nib, but I think the only 1 out was a spikes and they were WAY on back order. As far as barrel, unless u want some match quality barrel, I wouldn't lose sleep on selecting one. Find a good quality one and go with it. If rainer has 1 in stock, go for it. As far as barrel length, personally with a 308 I wouldn't go shorter then 18". But if u want 16 go 16. I'd just lean towards a break that reduced sound more than recoil. Just remember if u get ur bolt and barrel from a different place, u will need a go/no go Guage. So see if the place that sells the barrel has a bolt and see of they can check head space for u. Either way, if u have the funds now I'd say get that receiver set now. That price won't last and when it's gone u will kick urself. Edit: As far as weight, for the most part they weigh the same. Obviously u can build 1 strictly for weight savings and get it under 10 lbs. U can also go my route and got more bench rest only were weight isn't an issue and have 1 flirting with 20 lbs. If I had to guess, I'd say, with optics, ur looking at 12-13 lbs. Great tips and I will look back to it often before I make my purchases. And how do you like your chromed bcg? I can't see it being much different from nib... and you're taking about the mega combo? I have yet to look into it, but I'm guessing that's lr308? I like the chrome. Again, i just wanted something thats alittle easier to clean then the normal black. i am sure the Nib is "better" but for the price and the availability, i went with chrome. Yeah, im talking about the Mega combo . it is an LR308 set and its DPMS pattern. If i was going to build a 308 today, and i couldnt find a deal on the POF, id go mega or aero. |
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I like the chrome. Again, i just wanted something thats alittle easier to clean then the normal black. i am sure the Nib is "better" but for the price and the availability, i went with chrome. Yeah, im talking about the Mega combo . it is an LR308 set and its DPMS pattern. If i was going to build a 308 today, and i couldnt find a deal on the POF, id go mega or aero. Quoted:
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I have to agree, the previously posted deal for the mega receivers is a great deal. In fact if I was looking to build a 308 ar, I'd prob be picking that up asap. You won't find a better quality set for under $500. As far as trigger, dropping $230-280 for a trigger is alot. And I never shot a "quality" trigger. Even after I built my 308. 1 day at the range a guy asked to shoot my 308. He really enjoyed it but told me my trigger leaves something to desire, so he let me shoot his 6.5 that had a high speed match. Needless to say, i was sold. And alittle more broke. It's a lot of money, so if u can't budget it in now, save for later. I know there are alot of bcg's out there" I just went with who had 1 in stock. Mine happen to be Fulton armory. It was a chrome version. I wanted the Nib, but I think the only 1 out was a spikes and they were WAY on back order. As far as barrel, unless u want some match quality barrel, I wouldn't lose sleep on selecting one. Find a good quality one and go with it. If rainer has 1 in stock, go for it. As far as barrel length, personally with a 308 I wouldn't go shorter then 18". But if u want 16 go 16. I'd just lean towards a break that reduced sound more than recoil. Just remember if u get ur bolt and barrel from a different place, u will need a go/no go Guage. So see if the place that sells the barrel has a bolt and see of they can check head space for u. Either way, if u have the funds now I'd say get that receiver set now. That price won't last and when it's gone u will kick urself. Edit: As far as weight, for the most part they weigh the same. Obviously u can build 1 strictly for weight savings and get it under 10 lbs. U can also go my route and got more bench rest only were weight isn't an issue and have 1 flirting with 20 lbs. If I had to guess, I'd say, with optics, ur looking at 12-13 lbs. Great tips and I will look back to it often before I make my purchases. And how do you like your chromed bcg? I can't see it being much different from nib... and you're taking about the mega combo? I have yet to look into it, but I'm guessing that's lr308? I like the chrome. Again, i just wanted something thats alittle easier to clean then the normal black. i am sure the Nib is "better" but for the price and the availability, i went with chrome. Yeah, im talking about the Mega combo . it is an LR308 set and its DPMS pattern. If i was going to build a 308 today, and i couldnt find a deal on the POF, id go mega or aero. Yep. Going to get that set. That's two outta a few more to save and decide on. Thank you and others for all the input! It's really nice to have helpful people left in the world. I gotta call rainier tomorrow about their barrels and if I can get a nice bolt/bc with chrome/nib to match with the barrel so I have no head space problems.... if that makes sense. |
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I agree. One of the reasons I didn't build my own. Not that you can't find .308 uppers with FA for sale, just that what was being sold wasn't what I wanted. And cost-wise, when you start talking $2-300 triggers and $500 receivers, you are already darn near built guns, and that isn't including the myriad of expensive parts you still have to buy...stock, bolt group, barrel, hand guard, etc.
FA is a personal preference. I've read back and forths on them before, as far as I'm concerned, that's what it comes down to. Of course, it also sounded like some gus would easily allow the bolt to completely go forward under all conditions, and other guns, particularly when the charging handle is perhaps not let slam home, the bolt would not fully go forward, thus the FA was useful. But I also saw comments that you could simply use your thumb on the cutout in the bolt to move it forward. Not sure I'd want to try that on a hot gun, but can't say I've ever touched a bolt that has just had a fair numer of rounds through it either. I wanted the FA, so I searched only components/guns that had it. That is one reason the DPMS GII line is also nice, as some of them come with a better trigger already...figure that "saves" you $200 right off the bat, and based on your comment, they have the FA. |
| I decided to build my own. And picked up an Aero M5 combo when it was first released. Wanted to take the same approach, that I've done with my AR15 builds. Buy the parts I want, over time. Still not too sure on the direction that I'll be taking it. I will try to use as many Aero parts possible though. With a few exceptions, like the barrel. That will be from Black Hole Weaponary for the initial build and secondary upper that will eventuality be built too. I did contemplate buying an entry level rifle. But I didn't want to have a bunch of spare parts lying around after replacing with better (there would have been many). I also didn't like what is offered for the entry level guns. Without getting too carried away, I'll have about $1900 invested in the build when I'm done, including optics. Which isn't too bad. |
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What I find odd is the mega maten upper doesn't have forward assist on it... now I've never had to use it on my other ars but that doesn't mean I'll never need it... and for 470$... I feel like I should have that option. Thoughts? Im split on it. IMO, when is the last time you heeard of ANYONE actually HAVE to use the FA on a rifle. usually if u have to, you shouldnt be (aka forcing the bolt into battery). but I also understand from an aesthetics point, it looks weird without one. In the end though, its your $ and your build. if u want it, then get it. simple as that. |
| A lot of the 308 ARs don't have a forward assist, it saves a little weight on already heavy guns. I don't really care either way, I never use the FA on my regular ARs and my Rainier Arms 308 receiver doesn't have one. I wouldn't make that a sticking point when deciding what you want. |
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