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Posted: 3/10/2014 1:38:22 PM EDT
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Hello, this is my first post here. I have been a long time collector and recently wanted a good .308 semi auto, and looked around the net for opinions. Have a lot of M1A suggestions, but inevitably came to the AR 10 as my choice(I'm no expert and remembering these terms from research so forgive inaccuracy). I have very limited choices to where I can buy my guns online because I don't have many FFL dealers to work with me in my area. Actually there is only 1 site I use for online purchases.
The choice was DPMS vs Armalite for my .308. Everyone said the DPMS was cheaper, but I didn't find that to be the case. Where I was looking, the prices were very close. Maybe a couple hundred dollars difference in comparable models. I had my eyes set on the 20" target model, and it JUST seemed to appear in stock on the website I like to shop on. I got it for about 1600(dunno if that's ok to say here). I have not gotten the product yet, but I did call Armalite and asked the difference between the models A and B. I don't have a family and this is my primary hobby, so spending a little on myself before I die is something I consider essential, haha. :) Plus I figure that this is a good investment. It will be treated very, very well. They said the model A and B feature-set is identical, except the A has modified parts to make it fit some 3rd party aftermarket magazines. I liked that, so I went with the A model, plus it was cheaper. I believe I have a great weapon system here, as the company reputation stands strong and the people I spoke with were very knowledgeable about my questions. I like the warranty as well, and the price isn't exorbitant compared to other brands either(I paid and arm and a leg for my colt from a local dealer). Anyway, someone I spoke with disliked the choice in model because it was "FFA" approved, but my thinking is that I am gonna buy more mags, I dont' want or need a telescoping stock and if I do, I'll buy it. Finally, since I got the target model, its freefloated, so no use for a bayonette lug(dunno if you can even have one on a freefloated barrel). So I don't think its a bad model it all. It appears to have some really good features for the price, and hopefully its accurate. Match barrel and trigger are two of the big reasons I bought it. I had to replace the barrel and trigger in my colt because I wasn't happy with the accuracy. This looks to be a good out of the box gun as is. The model number is: A10TBNF and I guess it is a new offered product from Armalite. The info on the site isn't complete yet, like the B counterpart is. Wish me luck. I joined the site to make this post, so I hope to do a full review once I get the weapon system and let you guys know how I like it. Thanks ar15.com for helping me make my decision, and thanks Armalite for your excellent products. |
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I considered getting a 2500+ designer gun instead of this Armalite, but would rather put that money on glass or maybe an eotech.
If the target model is sub MOA guaranteed with a lifetime warranty, then its really just ergonomics that could keep this gun from being my only choice. I'm a bit worried about the ergo on this, it is 12+ lbs I hear. That said, I can stand a little extra weight, to save that kind of money. I'm very excited about this one. AR10, here I come. I'll list my "collection" here as well. I've got a Colt LE 6920 preban with a White Oak Armament stainless match barrel on it, and a new headspaced bolt. I bought a DPMS heavy duty upper to house the colt's original barrel, fsb, and bolt. Its a fully functional alternative upper. I have a custom worked JP Enterprises match trigger installed and a SWFA 10x mil dot supersniper on top. The trigger was a fantastic install, I really love it. It took a ton of work, but I've got sear engagement perfect. It only lets go of the hammer at the pinnacle of trigger release. I'm very proud of that, actually. I also installed no rotation pins and a speed hammer with the trigger. Let me tell you, it is a nailer. I'm not really a shooter, like I said, and I've actually been able to print MOA with this using hornady superperforamnce match ammo. The kick is nonexistant. I've got a 1990s BLA(br.... Edit march 12th 2014: Removed for TMI thanks for the heads up :) I may can post some photos after the weekend. Super excited about this armalite, I really hope and believe the gun is what I believe it is. |
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Bayonet lug Lol.
Bro, welcome to arfcom. I don't think you really need to catalog your valuables. Please understand that your IP is public, though admittedly we all get arount to saying what we got here or there in a permanently recorded format. Anyway, welcom to the forum and congrats on the Armalite. They are the best value in "AR10s". IMO, they are a a mature product with the bugs worked out. As to your mags, Armalite made a M14 based magazine out of necessity during the awful AWB. It was different than the original pattern magazine from the 50s and what KAC and later DPMS used. Pretty much every other 308 AR rifle now uses the original non B pattern mag so Armalite finally decided to join that band wagon. You will want to buy expensive KAC mags or 308 magpul mags. No reason to chance it with the ones DPMS makes. |
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Welcome to ARFCOM! Congratulations on your purchase. That model should shoot very accurately. I am a owner of several AramaLite Model B and they are high quality rifles. I love the GEN II magazines. Go to their website and buy the 10 pack at $275, so the magazines will run you $27.50. ARFCOM is a very "lively" sight so someone will be along here shortly to tell you all about your poor decision and how this is better than that and you should have .....I enjoy the debate and different view points and remind myself that opinions are like assholes so every one has one. Good place for buying/selling and technical information. Post some pictures of your gun and targets when you get it up and running. ETA if you got the A model use the SR/25/MAGPUL and Lancer is supposed to becoming out with plastic magazine/steel lips. I got some MAGPULS form Corporal Chaos here in Equipment Exchange for $18.50 per magazine. |
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Bayonet lug Lol. Bro, welcome to arfcom. I don't think you really need to catalog your valuables. Please understand that your IP is public, though admittedly we all get arount to saying what we got here or there in a permanently recorded format. Anyway, welcom to the forum and congrats on the Armalite. They are the best value in "AR10s". IMO, they are a a mature product with the bugs worked out. As to your mags, Armalite made a M14 based magazine out of necessity during the awful AWB. It was different than the original pattern magazine from the 50s and what KAC and later DPMS used. Pretty much every other 308 AR rifle now uses the original non B pattern mag so Armalite finally decided to join that band wagon. You will want to buy expensive KAC mags or 308 magpul mags. No reason to chance it with the ones DPMS makes. Sound advice sir, thanks for the heads up. @ Bayonet lug, don't think I would ever equip a bayonet on any rifle I own, lol. After experience with damaging the finish on my barrel with my mosin, I have taken a vow. Especially on a 1600 dollar target rifle. I kinda knew that the bayonet lug was probably the worst argument I got against a AWB gun, haha :) It's like saying, don't get a truck, you can't equip a sunroof on it... :) @GetGunz On the mags, awesome inso, I'm looking to purchase some. :) On the forum, thanks for the heads up. ;D I've read the site for many years. Back when I was smithing my colt, this site was a lifesaver. On big sites like this there are always a lot of trolls and those who made a certain decision who spend all their time trying to justify their decision and deflate and invalidate those who made a different decision. Believe it or not, it is exactly like that on the console war forums. You've got your fanboys for PS3, your fanboys for 360, your elitist fanboys for PC who spend a lot more money for their system and thus spend an equal amount more time justifying its purchase. Within each community, you've got subsections of fanboyism, IE: Those who build PC vs those who buy prebuilt, vs alienware crowd, ect. You've got reasonable people, but even they have bias to a certain extent. Unfortunately its human nature. I'm not an expert on guns(and I probably never will be), but...I'd venture to say that I'm an expert on business. When I purchase I go by three factors. Individual SKU statistics(configuration, weight, color, caliber, product info, reviews), company policy(warranty, customer service, general perceptio), and availability(I usually don't wanna wait a year to buy my stuff). If you buy a product that a company stands behind and they state it up front, then you really aren't buying a rifle. You are buying the right to own a functioning rifle for your lifetime. That's why I went with Armalite this time. No matter how nice my rifle is, there is always that chance I might drop it in a darn lake, lol. I want someone on my team if that happens. From what I've seen on these forums, and the calls I've made, Armalite backs up their stuff. I hope and believe I'm right. That said, even the best company out there usually makes at least one junk model(ask me about my fridge sometime), so you can't JUST go by brand, you've got to look at it from a practical perspective. I suspect the actual perceptible differences between most high end semi .308's out there are marginal, or more likely, apples to oranges. Just because I bought an Armalite I won't ever proclaim that "DPMS is crap" or something like that, because its just not true. The statement is way too broad to ever be true. There are too many facets to a company. If Armalite made the best guns in the world and were open monday thur saturday, but closed on sunday, someone could easily say "Armalite is crap" out of context, because they didn't like the fact they were closed on Sunday. Way to many factors to use broad reaching generalizations bout any company. Its quick and easy to be able to quantify something quickly and we've seen it done all our lives....but its always out of context to do so. Getting caught up in the comparison game is when you start to lose perspective. Then again, on an internet forum about competing products, sometimes there just isn't a lot to talk about without direct comparisons, so once again, its inevitable. @Throwsabender Thank you sir. :) @forum I've read and tried to find out but is it against the rules to post links to say, sgammo? I wanted to post some current costs on some ammo going on and ask which would run the best in my AR10? |
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Long time, no post. Still waiting on the gun to arrive.
Does anyone know the muzzle velocity on a AR10T 20" 1-10 twist? I'm trying to figure it for 168gr FGMM Matchking. So far, from data around the net, I've been able to determine that the muzzle velocity is somewhere over 2600fps. My original estimate was 2580 but I believe that would be a bit low because of the match chamber on the T. I'm trying to order a custom turret. I also want it to be relatively accurate for a Hornady match 168gr HPBT, which is a lot cheaper but still good stuff. Its about 50fps hotter than the FGMM. I can't find the exact data I'm looking for. For ballistics programs I figure I should go slightly above what most are getting on their chronographs, because they are a few yards out and probably lose a few fps vs a program which extrapolates path by theoretical end of muzzle velocity. I figure if I set this around 2600, I should be close for both. Here's why, Federal estimates 2650 on a 24" barrel. Don't think I'll be getting more than that with a 20". That said, reports I've read indicate the round isn't losing much. Max of 20fps per inch in most barrels. With the tighter tolerance in the T chamber I assume it will drop even less. As for hornady both the amax and the hpbt are rated 2700fps in a 24" test rig. I have no hard data on the T, so can only guess the 20" is around 2650. I'm thinking for my turret I should get it around 2600 or 2620. I'd rather be shooting high than low. Thoughts? PS: Also I'm going all out. :) Products on invoice: 1 xLaRue Tactical SPR-S Mount LT158 - $160.00 SKU: LT158-30-VFZ Ring Size: 30mm Mounting Type: VFZ Mount Does anyone have a Sightron SIII on their AR10? I have a 6-24x50 that I'm gonna mount on top of this badboy in those larue 1 pieces. Oh my goodness, its gonna be a hell of a rifle. Its gonna weigh so much might as well get a PRS stock and just go for the heavy, overbuilt, way too much glass theme I got going here. Opulence. A true American gun, haha. :) I opted for a UTG bipod over a harris so I could afford the larue. I'm gonna say that Leapers makes some good products, even though that statement might not be popular. The Leapers line of stuff has turned out well for me in the past. Anyway, I don't use a bipod unless I have to, so I usually just have it detatched. Figured I'd get way more use out of a Larue mount and UTG bipod, than a PEPR mount and a Harris Bipod. I'm well over 2500 on this build so far, but I think I have a heck of a weapon system started. I was thinking of dropping a Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 on a canted mount for CQC, and maybe a magpul prs with a Accu-Shot PRM to finish her off. |
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Bayonet lug Lol. Bro, welcome to arfcom. I don't think you really need to catalog your valuables. Please understand that your IP is public, though admittedly we all get arount to saying what we got here or there in a permanently recorded format. Anyway, welcom to the forum and congrats on the Armalite. They are the best value in "AR10s". IMO, they are a a mature product with the bugs worked out. As to your mags, Armalite made a M14 based magazine out of necessity during the awful AWB. It was different than the original pattern magazine from the 50s and what KAC and later DPMS used. Pretty much every other 308 AR rifle now uses the original non B pattern mag so Armalite finally decided to join that band wagon. You will want to buy expensive KAC mags or 308 magpul mags. No reason to chance it with the ones DPMS makes. Yeap,agree.That said Ive got a couple DPMS mags that work fine,although they do seem cobby for the money. Ive had no issues with the Magpul LR-308 mags....they are available at just about every shop locally for around $20.00 so thats what I buy. If I order online there are numerous sources for the LR-308 Pmags,but I tend to shop here mostly: http://dsgarms.com/mag291 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-308-pmag-m3-prod59788.aspx The Lancer L7 is going to available soon also. http://www.lancer-systems.com/business-areas/small-arms/products/magazines/l7awm/ |
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Hoping Armalite can give some info about this model A10TBNF
It was posted up on a few "gun" websites under the wrong photo for so long. It actually came in stock about 2.5 weeks ago from the place I use. I ordered it and got an email about a week later saying I needed to contact them, there was something wrong with the order. I explained the situation with this model. That it had been out before in limited production but it looked like(based on website) that Armalite was about to mass produce them. I also stated that I believed they didn't actually have the gun when they sold it to me, and that it was probably an error. They said(today), they did have the gun, and it just didn't get shipped to them from their main warehouse to their processing facility. To be patient and wait or they would issue me a refund with no restocking fee if necessary. Initially the listing I purchased was BRAND NEW on the site. It had the wrong photo and wrong info, but the model was right. I called them and they updated the product page in real time with the correct info I verified off the armalite site. They insisted the model was right and the only thing to really pay attention to is the model. The gun went out of stock the second i bought it. Now, today, they put the gun back up and in stock(finally) so I believe they actually do have some. They also updated the picture. I went over and saw too now that cheaperthandirt has this new model as well. They didn't before. They have is mislisted as the Supser SASS but the price and model are right. I'm assuming that these are just common new model release distribution anomalies, and I also extrapolate that armalite are finally rolling out AR10T A models en masse, and not just in limited releases, and this is happening right now in real time. I researched again to see if there was another gun I wanted but came right back to the AR10T. Just not enough benefit in upgrading, costs 1k more to get a better gun for the bench in SASS or really, bolt. It needs to be 308. The other rifles I looked at under 2k that I would even consider are pretty much these: 1. FNH SPR A3 .308 2. Kimber 8400 Tactical .308 3. Tikka T3 Tactical .308 4. Remington 700P LTR 5. Armalite AR10T 6. Noveske/VTAC 16" SS Combat Carbine(not sure on price) 7. Springfield M1A Loaded 8. Remington M700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD (with a stock change, as the OEM stock sucks) I saw that list somewhere else, but I pretty much agree with it. I would drop a savage in there somewhere too, prolly, as I do love my little sporter. I already have a BLA in .308 so I got the ammo too. Also <3 Tikka T3, its an awesome gun in SS lite at least. Competitors are either hard to find, hard to deal with, cost way more(OBR, GAP10, GAP bolt guns), don't have guarantee, have 6 months or a year wait or don't deal with my FFL. I looked really hard at OBR and GAP10.....but I just can't justify the price. The difference will be touted a lot on message forums, but I pretty much know with Armalite that the gun is rock solid and gives me the MOA "right" so I can't justify spending an extra 1500 dollars on a OBR, GAP10, or even a super SASS, vs the AR10T A model. Its just a good deal. It's like 90% of what you need, and asking me to wait a year and pay double for an extra 8%. The best nailer in my collect is my Colt ar15(it beats some pretty awesome bolt guns, quite frankly). Its running a WOA 26" floated stainless match barrel, nut, and guards, 6920LE(made during ban) everything else. A 10x42 fixed SS, and(now) Larue mount. She's a safe queen, but it just shoots great. 0 recoil, weights a ton, can't carry it around. Really, really good gun. I think my Tikka could outshoot her if I didn't have the 300 win mag flinch built in like a gunshy dog. Never buy that caliber in a 7 lb rifle. Maybe there is magic in the metal somewhere I don't know about, but 1 moa is 1 moa is 1 moa. I take the extra thousand and bought one of those jaw dropping optics and a Larue SPR. That's a solid budget SA .308 that will out-shoot the hell outta me and anybody that'll ever get ahold of it. If I had money to waste I'd order an OBR and shoot my AR10T while I waited for it to come in, in my golden chariot eating flan. |
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Gonna give an update here, still no gun, but should be in very soon I hope. Dealer told me there was a misshipment.
Came up with my rough overall spends on this sucker: 1630 - AR10T A series, which accepts Pmags 200 - PRS Stock 110 - Monopod for the stock 160 - 5 Boxes of FGMM to break in the barrel 900 - Sightron SIII mil/mil 6x24x50 170 - Larue VFZ unimount, 10moa cant 160 - Cleaning supplies, new tipton rod, dewey AR10 bore brush kit, mop, bench brushes and jag kit(already have the necessary chemicals for lube and cleaning) 70 - 3 20 round pmags 30 - Cheap Leapers bipod Gonna wait on the case. Have everything but the gun. Already have scope install kit and necessities. May end up buying a new trigger, will see once I get the rifle. Already have anti-cant device. Total for getting this bad boy up and running: $3,430.00 I feel like I went with the best products in their respective price ranges in all cases. Arguably, the Viper Vortex PST would be a solid contender against the SIII, and the larue VFZ vs say, a Addmount or a nightforce mount, is highly arguable. I'll also be buying a custom turret once I get her sighted in. Anyway, its surprising to a lot of folks, but the cost of the gun, is less than half of what it takes to get it where I want it to be in most cases, lol. Its just the way it is. I can't wait for this bad boy to arrive!!! I will post so many pics your head will spin. Want to know, does this model come with a case? I'm looking at a Piano. |
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Gonna give an update here, still no gun, but should be in very soon I hope. Dealer told me there was a misshipment. Came up with my rough overall spends on this sucker: 1630 - AR10T A series, which accepts Pmags 200 - PRS Stock 110 - Monopod for the stock 160 - 5 Boxes of FGMM to break in the barrel 900 - Sightron SIII mil/mil 6x24x50 170 - Larue VFZ unimount, 10moa cant 160 - Cleaning supplies, new tipton rod, dewey AR10 bore brush kit, mop, bench brushes and jag kit(already have the necessary chemicals for lube and cleaning) 70 - 3 20 round pmags 30 - Cheap Leapers bipod Gonna wait on the case. Have everything but the gun. Already have scope install kit and necessities. May end up buying a new trigger, will see once I get the rifle. Already have anti-cant device. Total for getting this bad boy up and running: $3,430.00 I feel like I went with the best products in their respective price ranges in all cases. Arguably, the Viper Vortex PST would be a solid contender against the SIII, and the larue VFZ vs say, a Addmount or a nightforce mount, is highly arguable. I'll also be buying a custom turret once I get her sighted in. Anyway, its surprising to a lot of folks, but the cost of the gun, is less than half of what it takes to get it where I want it to be in most cases, lol. Its just the way it is. I can't wait for this bad boy to arrive!!! I will post so many pics your head will spin. Want to know, does this model come with a case? I'm looking at a Piano. It's called an investment and after you have had that rifle for a while you will be in awe about the public's gross ignorance and how the local gunstore counter mentality lumps everything together as an "AR10". I have the factory float tube and the lower of the two Nightforce 20 MOA mounts which leaves me about 3/32" space between the float tube and my 56 mm objective. While no other after market float tube will clear the scope, I like the factory float tube and don't see myself trying to swap it out. Running a Geiselle service rifle trigger with a little more second stage weight adjusted in. |
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It's called an investment and after you have had that rifle for a while you will be in awe about the public's gross ignorance and how the local gunstore counter mentality lumps everything together as an "AR10". I have the factory float tube and the lower of the two Nightforce 20 MOA mounts which leaves me about 3/32" space between the float tube and my 56 mm objective. While no other after market float tube will clear the scope, I like the factory float tube and don't see myself trying to swap it out. Running a Geiselle service rifle trigger with a little more second stage weight adjusted in. Quoted:
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Gonna give an update here, still no gun, but should be in very soon I hope. Dealer told me there was a misshipment. Came up with my rough overall spends on this sucker: 1630 - AR10T A series, which accepts Pmags 200 - PRS Stock 110 - Monopod for the stock 160 - 5 Boxes of FGMM to break in the barrel 900 - Sightron SIII mil/mil 6x24x50 170 - Larue VFZ unimount, 10moa cant 160 - Cleaning supplies, new tipton rod, dewey AR10 bore brush kit, mop, bench brushes and jag kit(already have the necessary chemicals for lube and cleaning) 70 - 3 20 round pmags 30 - Cheap Leapers bipod Gonna wait on the case. Have everything but the gun. Already have scope install kit and necessities. May end up buying a new trigger, will see once I get the rifle. Already have anti-cant device. Total for getting this bad boy up and running: $3,430.00 I feel like I went with the best products in their respective price ranges in all cases. Arguably, the Viper Vortex PST would be a solid contender against the SIII, and the larue VFZ vs say, a Addmount or a nightforce mount, is highly arguable. I'll also be buying a custom turret once I get her sighted in. Anyway, its surprising to a lot of folks, but the cost of the gun, is less than half of what it takes to get it where I want it to be in most cases, lol. Its just the way it is. I can't wait for this bad boy to arrive!!! I will post so many pics your head will spin. Want to know, does this model come with a case? I'm looking at a Piano. It's called an investment and after you have had that rifle for a while you will be in awe about the public's gross ignorance and how the local gunstore counter mentality lumps everything together as an "AR10". I have the factory float tube and the lower of the two Nightforce 20 MOA mounts which leaves me about 3/32" space between the float tube and my 56 mm objective. While no other after market float tube will clear the scope, I like the factory float tube and don't see myself trying to swap it out. Running a Geiselle service rifle trigger with a little more second stage weight adjusted in. Nice trigger. I've never had a Geiselle, have used Timney and JP Enterprises on other rifles. One thing I wondered, did the factory float tube come with a swivel stud or rail installed? Didn't know if I needed to buy a keystone adapter or something to mount my bipod.... PS: How's that trigger? |
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Logged in this morning to this email:
Your order is now in the shipping department. WE CANNOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDER ONCE IT ENTERS THIS STATUS. ******If you have ordered a firearm we will send a copy of our FFL to your dealer with the gun along with an invoice with your name and phone number on it. ***You will receive a final email when your order has left our facility. ***Orders containing multiple items can ship in multiple packages, in which event you will receive multiple tracking numbers. Please allow time to receive all tracking numbers. Thank you for your business Excellent! UPDATE: Getting this next Saturday! |
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Anyone wanna comment on the reliability of these things? I'm shooting this benchrest, so not exactly gonna be running it hard or using it for any kind of defense(have a Mossberg for that, thanks to uncle Joe Biden), but I was watching a youtube video by James Yeager(sp?) from Tactical response, and he suddenly started flaming the hell out of AR10/SR25s(and clones) saying they never made it thru a class and didn't work and all that.
Not sure what to think. I don't believe James is telling a lie or that he's a liar, but I also don't believe any small sample anecdotes, no matter how much experience backs them up, can classify and defame a whole platform. Especially one so well proven as the AR10/SR25, which is actually combat proven if I'm not mistaken...****ing internet. You guys running AR10s, they give you many reliability issues? |
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Your ArmaLite should rock the house. Clean it well when you get it, particularly the barrel and chamber. Get all of the rust inhibitors off of it and replace them with good oil like break free clp. I see one bad thing in your list and that was a Leapers ( or something ) cheapie bipod. DON'T DO IT. You spent good money on everything else....don't cheap out on the bipod. Spend the extra 80 bucks and get a tilting model Harris. What mags did you order, again? Make sure, if they are steel, to strip them down and wash and re-oil those, too. Make sure to put the mag springs back in correctly. Get 'em backwards and you'll know it really quick. ETA: you shouldn't need a Geissle with an Armalite. They already have a "National Match" type trigger setup that is very similar to a Geissele. It would be redundant to buy one...and I am a Geissele fan. |
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Your ArmaLite should rock the house. Clean it well when you get it, particularly the barrel and chamber. Get all of the rust inhibitors off of it and replace them with good oil like break free clp. I see one bad thing in your list and that was a Leapers ( or something ) cheapie bipod. DON'T DO IT. You spent good money on everything else....don't cheap out on the bipod. Spend the extra 80 bucks and get a tilting model Harris. What mags did you order, again? Make sure, if they are steel, to strip them down and wash and re-oil those, too. Make sure to put the mag springs back in correctly. Get 'em backwards and you'll know it really quick. ETA: you shouldn't need a Geissle with an Armalite. They already have a "National Match" type trigger setup that is very similar to a Geissele. It would be redundant to buy one...and I am a Geissele fan. I ordered 2 magpul pmag, they are polymer. As for the bipod, I'm gonna upgrade once I build back up some funds. I did order a custom turret, a accu-shot monopod, and a vortex anti-cant scope bubble, so yea, the only cheap thing is the bipod. I've ran them on other guns without issue. I know it sucks, but its just hard to upgrade from them because they are pretty darn great for 30 bucks. :( |
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Hello guys, I am sorry for long time no post. I just wanted to give a quick update.
I put a PRS stock on the gun and also I believe I mentioned I was gonna go "cheap" with the bipod. This forum has taught me a lot so I went with the Harris. I is a great bipod and way better in a lot of undefinable ways than my chinese knockoffs I buy for gun smithing and cleaning on my deer guns. I love the stock trigger on my gun. I have a geissele 2 stage on my for fun ar15 frankengun and its their cheap version, and I like the armalite first stage a little better even than that awesome Geissele trigger(no hate against geissele, I love their stuff, I really do, so I don't say that lightly). The first range trip I cleaned after every round for first 10 rounds, then every other round for next ten, then every 5 rounds for next 20 rounds. I used hoppes 9, and twice I used butches bore shine to get out any built up copper that the hoppes missed. I used the tipton brush kit, a tipton rod, the dewey chamber kit, a dewey bore guide, and CLP coat the barrel following the hoppes. I also used hoppes patches, and I found something very good. Please look at this: http://www.amazon.com/Zwipes-Microfiber-Cleaning-Cloths-24-Pack/dp/B00ANZHG7C/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1399821087&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=microfiber+cooth That is the BEST gun cleaning rags I have ever had. If you ever need good rags for gun cleaning and don't want to leave behind lint, please think of me if you order these, lol!! :D You will thank! So, after every cleaning, the gun would kinda "fly" and not get good point of impact from the previous shot. Once I got to the 5 rounds though, at 100 yards, I was putting the bullets touching each other, and once time I have a bullet go in the same hole where I could barely tell if I missed the target or what happened, then I looked close and it was SO AWESOME. I believe I had 2 groups that were below 1 moa over 5 shots. I have a tikka T3 stainless in 300 win mag(a gun which I love more than a man should), and this gun is as accurate as that great amazing rifle. I cannot believe how accurate a semi automatic gun can be!! I am so impressed with the build quality of this gun and the precision. It is nearly as accurate as my self built Savage 30.06 varmiter, which I pillar and glass bedded in a custom stock and had the bolt face squared with an accutrigger, and may be more accurate. I don't know how, but I think it has to do with how the AR bolt face locks up, is how these guns are so accurate. For years I thought only bolt guns could do this type of accuracy. I put a Sightron SIII in mil/mil with variable power of 6x24-50mm, and I used a larue VFZ non QD but repeatable scope mount, and I used a vortex anti-cant device up front of the optic to get a great optics setup for under 1000 dollars. I used Federal FGMM with a Sierra Matchking bullet in 168gr. I zeroed at 200 meters and used a trajectory calculator to mark and zero the turrets so I know how to DOPE properly with the gun out to 800 meters. I had one failure to feed, but it was the first round of the rifle, and the rifle wasn't properly lubricated and probably had some gunk in the gas tube that got blown out in the first round. After that, it was 100 percent reliable and never missed a beat. I won't be upgrading the trigger, because I love the trigger, and there is nothing else I can buy for this gun to make it better. I saw that the feed ramp could use a polishing(its not as smooth as the polished ramp on my tikka) but it is way more smooth than my 6920 or other ARs, so I'm not gonna do anything unless I have a problem which I doubt I will. I will post some pics when I get the gun finally broken in all the way, and I just wanted to give a heads up. Also I learned that I should not post in the general forums here because I am not the best at communicating on the internet, lol. So I will stick to the technical forums until I get more practice!! :D |
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Quoted: Hello guys, I am sorry for long time no post. I just wanted to give a quick update. I put a PRS stock on the gun and also I believe I mentioned I was gonna go "cheap" with the bipod. This forum has taught me a lot so I went with the Harris. I is a great bipod and way better in a lot of undefinable ways than my chinese knockoffs I buy for gun smithing and cleaning on my deer guns. I love the stock trigger on my gun. I have a geissele 2 stage on my for fun ar15 frankengun and its their cheap version, and I like the armalite first stage a little better even than that awesome Geissele trigger(no hate against geissele, I love their stuff, I really do, so I don't say that lightly). The first range trip I cleaned after every round for first 10 rounds, then every other round for next ten, then every 5 rounds for next 20 rounds. I used hoppes 9, and twice I used butches bore shine to get out any built up copper that the hoppes missed. I used the tipton brush kit, a tipton rod, the dewey chamber kit, a dewey bore guide, and CLP coat the barrel following the hoppes. I also used hoppes patches, and I found something very good. Please look at this: http://www.amazon.com/Zwipes-Microfiber-Cleaning-Cloths-24-Pack/dp/B00ANZHG7C/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1399821087&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=microfiber+cooth That is the BEST gun cleaning rags I have ever had. If you ever need good rags for gun cleaning and don't want to leave behind lint, please think of me if you order these, lol!! :D You will thank! So, after every cleaning, the gun would kinda "fly" and not get good point of impact from the previous shot. Once I got to the 5 rounds though, at 100 yards, I was putting the bullets touching each other, and once time I have a bullet go in the same hole where I could barely tell if I missed the target or what happened, then I looked close and it was SO AWESOME. I believe I had 2 groups that were below 1 moa over 5 shots. I have a tikka T3 stainless in 300 win mag(a gun which I love more than a man should), and this gun is as accurate as that great amazing rifle. I cannot believe how accurate a semi automatic gun can be!! I am so impressed with the build quality of this gun and the precision. It is nearly as accurate as my self built Savage 30.06 varmiter, which I pillar and glass bedded in a custom stock and had the bolt face squared with an accutrigger, and may be more accurate. I don't know how, but I think it has to do with how the AR bolt face locks up, is how these guns are so accurate. For years I thought only bolt guns could do this type of accuracy. I put a Sightron SIII in mil/mil with variable power of 6x24-50mm, and I used a larue VFZ non QD but repeatable scope mount, and I used a vortex anti-cant device up front of the optic to get a great optics setup for under 1000 dollars. I used Federal FGMM with a Sierra Matchking bullet in 168gr. I zeroed at 200 meters and used a trajectory calculator to mark and zero the turrets so I know how to DOPE properly with the gun out to 800 meters. I had one failure to feed, but it was the first round of the rifle, and the rifle wasn't properly lubricated and probably had some gunk in the gas tube that got blown out in the first round. After that, it was 100 percent reliable and never missed a beat. I won't be upgrading the trigger, because I love the trigger, and there is nothing else I can buy for this gun to make it better. I saw that the feed ramp could use a polishing(its not as smooth as the polished ramp on my tikka) but it is way more smooth than my 6920 or other ARs, so I'm not gonna do anything unless I have a problem which I doubt I will. I will post some pics when I get the gun finally broken in all the way, and I just wanted to give a heads up. Also I learned that I should not post in the general forums here because I am not the best at communicating on the internet, lol. So I will stick to the technical forums until I get more practice!! :D Sounds GREAT!!! I am glad as hell you like it AND I am doubly glad you went out and got a Harris first thing!!!! You made about the most informed choice I think a guy could make considering your limited knowledge when you came into this game. Taking the time to educate yourself and spending the money where you needed to paid off, obviously......so I say, JOB WELL DONE!!!!! |
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