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Posted: 10/5/2011 10:21:53 AM EDT
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Just wondering where everyone is getting the black out barrels from?
Cmmg and Noveske are the two i know about i haven't heardmuch about or seen a cmmg in person. The noveske i'm sure is very nice but very pricey as well. Does the cmmg come with a bolt? Should i make sure i get a bolt with a barrel? I've built a lower, but this is the first time i've tried to build a Upper so i'm trying to get all my stuff straight before i order anything |
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I called them a few days ago and they're so far behind they aren't even taking orders. |
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i would check out wilson combat here i have one of their
7.62x40 barrels and it is top notch. |
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I've got a 16" CMMG barrel and am quite happy with it. It'll do MOA all day with factory 220 Gr ammo and a suppressor. It doesn't come with a bolt, but you can use any standard 223 Rem bolt anyways.
Also, you could look into SI Defense. I don't have any personal experience with this barrel, but I've heard decent things about this company. |
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I've got a 16" CMMG barrel and am quite happy with it. It'll do MOA all day with factory 220 Gr ammo and a suppressor. It doesn't come with a bolt, but you can use any standard 223 Rem bolt anyways. Also, you could look into SI Defense. I don't have any personal experience with this barrel, but I've heard decent things about this company. +1 to the CMMG. I got one and love it -1 for the Si Defense. I kicked myself for buying it. Looks fantastic, but the gas port was way undersized and drilled off center. I ended up spending a lot of money on drill bits and a ton of time at the range. I exchanged it for the CMMG, which worked out of the box. No mods. Although both had excellent accuracy. It was only $25 more for the CMMG but it was worth it because I lost money and time doing the return shipping |
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I have puchased three from the same shop.
16" 1x10 for an AR, 16" heavy 1x8 for Howa bolt gun and 9"1x8" pistol AR. All from Ole's Gun shop Salem Oregon...thier gunsmith Kevin built all three and they all Shoot great. Very reasonable .  .I'd give them a call 505-585-3889
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but do i need a special gas block for 300 barrels, or does it just depend on what barrel i get? The diameter of the gas block needs to match the diameter on the barrel. I think most are 0.75. Then you need to buy the correct gas tube. Most 16" 300 barrels are carbine gas length. Some are pistol length. |
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how is the fact that it comes with a block and tube make it the best deal? Its $455 for a 14.5 from them. A quality barrel from many other for <250, thats alot of money to spend on other components. Is the noveske a better quality barrel, I think so, but a best buy it is not. |
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how is the fact that it comes with a block and tube make it the best deal? Its $455 for a 14.5 from them. A quality barrel from many other for <250, thats alot of money to spend on other components. Is the noveske a better quality barrel, I think so, but a best buy it is not. My thoughts exactly, i was trying to figure that out, while i am sure that noveske is top of the line, it seems to be a little high compared to other very good models |
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how is the fact that it comes with a block and tube make it the best deal? Its $455 for a 14.5 from them. A quality barrel from many other for <250, thats alot of money to spend on other components. Is the noveske a better quality barrel, I think so, but a best buy it is not. I forgot what retail is as I don't pay it wilson doesn't have a dealer discount on single items, so Noveske is a better deal for those that don't have to pay retail.
with that said Wilson 11.3" barrel $249 retail Noveske 12" barrel $365 retail includes $60 gas block and $15 tube I wouldn't even consider a longer barrel for the 300 defeats the point, so for $40 more you get the best AR barrel maker and a pinned gas block. |
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how is the fact that it comes with a block and tube make it the best deal? Its $455 for a 14.5 from them. A quality barrel from many other for <250, thats alot of money to spend on other components. Is the noveske a better quality barrel, I think so, but a best buy it is not. I forgot what retail is as I don't pay it wilson doesn't have a dealer discount on single items, so Noveske is a better deal for those that don't have to pay retail.
with that said Wilson 11.3" barrel $249 retail Noveske 12" barrel $365 retail includes $60 gas block and $15 tube I wouldn't even consider a longer barrel for the 300 defeats the point, so for $40 more you get the best AR barrel maker and a pinned gas block. Contact Wilson and ask about a dealer discount on a single barrel. I won't post their prices, but they did give me a single barrel discount after we sent in our FFL. They also offer a .MIL/LEO discount. I just put my upper together today, I'll post pics in a separate thread. |
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I have a close friend with a FFL whos done this for me in the past, if they'll give him a discount i'll have him order it for me if i go the noveske route. Do you care to PM what the dealer price is?
I'm planning on a 16" barrell because i don't plan on supressing this yet, and i don't have a sbr lower, as soon as i get some stuff together in my life and i can save up some cash i plan on building a sbr and purchasing a supressor My need or i should say want isin't for the suppressed sound, it's for the hitting power/availability of ammo. I'm thinking of using this round for bear hunting this winter if i can get this upper built by then. ETA: For those of you not using silencers, what kind of brake are you using? |
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I've got the CMMG 16" bbl with the carbine gas port. I've got 150 rounds through it so far, function has been 100% with 125 gr bullets so far. I've been out to the range twice so far, my scope was all flaky the first time, I think I've got the scope worked out but yesterday the wind was gusting to 40+ mph, so I don't have much idea what kind of accuracy I'll get. I got my barrel from Midway, they had it in stock. |
| You may want to do more research, if you are wanting high velocity then you need the 762x40. The 300Whisper, and variants, were disighned for sub-sonic. If you get a 16" ACC 1-8 with a carbine gas system, then you will be wanting to sell it to go the SBR route. |
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You may want to do more research, if you are wanting high velocity then you need the 762x40. The 300Whisper, and variants, were disighned for sub-sonic. If you get a 16" ACC 1-8 with a carbine gas system, then you will be wanting to sell it to go the SBR route. Actually the max difference between the 7.62x40 and the blackout is around 190 fps or the difference between .223 and 5.56 speeds. That is usually the extreme spread as with most of the rounds it is only around 110 fps difference which is a very small gain with the 7.62x40 and you just lose being able to shoot subsonics. If you want faster speeds look into the 6.8 as it has a decent amount of fps gain over both the 300 BLK and the 7.62x40 but still can't shoot subsonics. |
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 I own both calibers, and at this time there are more bullets designed to expand and transfer energy to the target for the 6.8spc. Having hunted for years with everything from .223 up to .338, I have never seen any animals knocked down by a rifle shot. Fell over yes, but never knocked down. 
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Quoted: I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 They are actually pretty close:  http://300aacblackout.com/ |
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 They are actually pretty close: http://wingman26.com/images/shooting/reloading/300-chart2.png http://300aacblackout.com/ Something seems amiss here coming from the 300BLK site I can see why...The 300 only looses 200fps from 16 to 9" and the 6.8 looses 400, I think the numbers have been doctored to make the 300 look better than it really is... know what I mean Vern. The 300 BLK will never make as much energy as the 6.8 in the real world only in the minds of those trying to sell it. |
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 I own both calibers, and at this time there are more bullets designed to expand and transfer energy to the target for the 6.8spc. Having hunted for years with everything from .223 up to .338, I have never seen any animals knocked down by a rifle shot. Fell over yes, but never knocked down. I've seen a bunny rabbit explode from a 7mm mag. 
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 They are actually pretty close: http://wingman26.com/images/shooting/reloading/300-chart2.png http://300aacblackout.com/ I stand corrected.....i guess need to rethink my approach |
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 They are actually pretty close: http://wingman26.com/images/shooting/reloading/300-chart2.png http://300aacblackout.com/ Something seems amiss here coming from the 300BLK site I can see why...The 300 only looses 200fps from 16 to 9" and the 6.8 looses 400, I think the numbers have been doctored to make the 300 look better than it really is... know what I mean Vern. The 300 BLK will never make as much energy as the 6.8 in the real world only in the minds of those trying to sell it. Yep I agree, doctored numbers. Since the 6.8 with 120 gr Hornady SST's can be loaded to the 2550 MV which makes it around 1733 energy from the muzzle. And 2700+/- fps for the 110gr bullets. |
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Here is a question do you reload?
I made the choice for .300 blk over 6.8 for my ar cause I was doing some research and it seems cheaper to reload for .300 blk. That was the only thing that tipped my decision. The things I needed in a platform. 1. I needed to have the ability to be accurate out to 200 yards MAX hopefully. (There are these things called trees in WV they can be really annoying  ) <––––both met
2. Needs to be able to take down a large buck at that range <––- both met 3. Needed to have a plethora of reloading data available <––- Both met 4. Needed to be compatible with the parts I already had. <- both sorta met this . 5. Needed to be cheap to reload and buy. <–––– 300 blk won I favored the .300 blk |
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I do not reload now, it's something i've looked at and would like to get into, but at this point in my life I do not have the time.
I basically need #1 and 2 off your list...I will use this gun for maybe a little deer hunting, but certainly for bear hunting. I think i bought into the fanboy fo the new .300 a little to much, but both seem like they would work to me. |
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I do not reload now, it's something i've looked at and would like to get into, but at this point in my life I do not have the time. I basically need #1 and 2 off your list...I will use this gun for maybe a little deer hunting, but certainly for bear hunting. I think i bought into the fanboy fo the new .300 a little to much, but both seem like they would work to me. the 300 really is a sub 200 yard round, yes is can go further with supersonic rounds but the point of it is it only needs a short barrel 8-9" and can be suppressed all the while still having good energy below supersonic speed and can cycle an AR platform. |
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I'm lookng for more knockdown power, .300 has more hitting power then the 6.8 I own both calibers, and at this time there are more bullets designed to expand and transfer energy to the target for the 6.8spc. Having hunted for years with everything from .223 up to .338, I have never seen any animals knocked down by a rifle shot. Fell over yes, but never knocked down. I've seen a bunny rabbit explode from a 7mm mag.
Me too, but they still never got knocked over just vaporized.
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