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2/20/2010 4:58:11 AM EDT
Just curious. Are all DPMS products made in the USA? There products always seem to be cheaper than alot of others and was wondering if it was just good marketing or are they importing products. I own a LR308.
2/20/2010 4:22:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes, DPMS is US made.  I expect their prices reflect the greater market share they have over their competitors.
2/20/2010 6:43:02 PM EDT
[#2]
ATF has to classify AR15 rifles as "made in the US" in order for them to be legally sold.  IE, a completely chinese made AR cannot be sold here due to 922r bullshit regulations.
2/20/2010 7:24:03 PM EDT
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There made in ST Cloud MN
2/20/2010 7:53:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Unless raw forgings are made elsewhere.
2/20/2010 9:14:39 PM EDT
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Unless raw forgings are made elsewhere.


DPMS forgings are not made "elsewhere."  It's US shit, all the way.
2/21/2010 10:21:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Though I think they may now be forged, the DPMS receiver that I have was obviously cast.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

After all, if you can make a receiver out of plastic, one that is cast should be plenty strong.

I am well pleased with it.
2/21/2010 5:30:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks guys. I was thinking that maybe some AR makers were importing some of their parts to cut costs. I'm glad to here they have to be made in the US. To bad our cars, clothes and electronics aren't made here.
2/21/2010 6:09:58 PM EDT
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Dude; even KIAs are now made here by Americans.
2/22/2010 3:47:32 AM EDT
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I expect their prices reflect the greater market share they have over their competitors.


It is from the lack of meeting mil spec requirements.


2/22/2010 4:05:04 AM EDT
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I expect their prices reflect the greater market share they have over their competitors.


It is from the lack of meeting mil spec requirements.




OR saying that they meet mil spec requirements.
Testing and inspection can be costly stuff.

From what I've seen, their gear is top shelf, for its market slot.
2/27/2010 2:03:39 PM EDT
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One of my suspicions about there being US made is because of the Brownell's catalogue. Brownell's claims they mark all US maade parts in their catalogue and if any of you have a Brownell's book nearby you'll see DPMS is not marked as US made. I'm confused. I've owned a LR-308 for about 4 years and because of jobs, and other factors I've yet to fire it. I'm hoping this summer I'll get out with it but, I'm just curious about the US made thing and why isn't Brownell's marking them as US made.
One more thing. Since the barrel is marked 308 can 7.62 rounds be put through it without worrying about pressure issues? Thanks.
2/27/2010 3:08:57 PM EDT
[#12]
Their labeling seems haphazard. I just looked at four Daniels Defense products and only two had the USA label.
2/27/2010 4:14:58 PM EDT
[#13]
There are rumors but no one can confirm one way or the other.
Bushmaster produces more ARs than any other co, DPMS is #2  mainly because they produce cheaper rifles, last year they told me they were making 10,000 a month, RRA and Stag also produce inexpensive products.
2/27/2010 6:18:05 PM EDT
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There are rumors but no one can confirm one way or the other.
Bushmaster produces more ARs than any other co, DPMS is #2  mainly because they produce cheaper rifles, last year they told me they were making 10,000 a month, RRA and Stag also produce inexpensive products.


And now that Bushmanster, DPMS and Remmington are all owned by the same parent company, the numbers may get even more blurred.

2/27/2010 7:50:46 PM EDT
[#15]
The way I understand it DPMS doesn't actually manufacture anything.  They assemble rifles and sell parts.
2/27/2010 8:17:16 PM EDT
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One more thing. Since the barrel is marked 308 can 7.62 rounds be put through it without worrying about pressure issues? Thanks.


No.

If it says .308, you can only shoot .308.  If it says 7.62x51, you can shoot 7.62 and .308.  Shooting 7.62 in a .308 chamber will void your warranty, have accuracy issues, and wear out your chamber at a faster rate.  Those are the words from DPMS when I asked
2/27/2010 8:30:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Thanks guys.
2/28/2010 2:48:58 AM EDT
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One more thing. Since the barrel is marked 308 can 7.62 rounds be put through it without worrying about pressure issues? Thanks.


No.

If it says .308, you can only shoot .308.  If it says 7.62x51, you can shoot 7.62 and .308.  Shooting 7.62 in a .308 chamber will void your warranty, have accuracy issues, and wear out your chamber at a faster rate.  Those are the words from DPMS when I asked


Is this correct? I thought it was the opposite of 5.56/.223.

Meaning it was safe to shoot 7.62 through a barrel that was marked or chambered in .308

I thought .308 was loaded to a higher pressure than 7.62.
2/28/2010 3:27:18 AM EDT
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The way I understand it DPMS doesn't actually manufacture anything.  They assemble rifles and sell parts.


DPMS will tell you different.  According to the Company, they produce many of their own parts, including manufacturing their barrels in house.

2/28/2010 3:58:44 AM EDT
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One more thing. Since the barrel is marked 308 can 7.62 rounds be put through it without worrying about pressure issues? Thanks.


No.

If it says .308, you can only shoot .308.  If it says 7.62x51, you can shoot 7.62 and .308.  Shooting 7.62 in a .308 chamber will void your warranty, have accuracy issues, and wear out your chamber at a faster rate.  Those are the words from DPMS when I asked


Is this correct? I thought it was the opposite of 5.56/.223.

Meaning it was safe to shoot 7.62 through a barrel that was marked or chambered in .308

I thought .308 was loaded to a higher pressure than 7.62.


I did a little research on this. Apparently .308 Rem has more pressure than 7.62 NATO. Though it is still safe for 7.62 and vise versa.

7.62 is about 55000 PSI
.308 is about 65000 PSI

2/28/2010 4:38:27 AM EDT
[#21]
IMHO, either 7.62 nato or .308 win can be fired in either barrel.  I've shot .308 win out of 7.62 nato barrels, and I've shot 7.62 out of .308 barrels, never had a problem with overpressure, and my Indian Enfield 2a is showing no signs of deformation/danger after several thousand .308 rounds.  Most rifles chambered for 7.62 have a loose chamber so there's less pressure when firing .308 rounds than there would be in a .308 rifle.
2/28/2010 5:09:42 AM EDT
[#22]
Advise, ask DPMS directly. Go to the industry forum. I e-mailed the customer service dept. they said, I could shoot both 7.62 and .308 from my AP4, but it would not be advisable to shoot 7.62 from a barrel marked .308. It's up to you of course.

      RJ
2/28/2010 5:50:04 AM EDT
[#23]
The .308 v. 7.62 has been beaten to death.  .308 is loaded hotter, but that is a non-iossue with today's materials.  7.62 chamber specs are a bit looser.  So, there is the possibility of 7.62 not extracting from a .308 chamber.  Some DPMS owners have had problems with foreign surplus.  I have not had any issues.  Shoot whatever you want.
2/28/2010 5:57:43 AM EDT
[#24]
The Nato Pressure spec for 7.62 nato is actually lower than Commercial .308 win, as opposed to the .223/5.56 were the nato spec is higher than the commercial spec.   I'm sure there is alot difference in quality and consistency of different countrie's 7.62 nato ammo, which is why im guessing that DPMS would say that.

A side note, non AR related.  CETME rifles are not safe with commercial pressured 308 win ammo.
2/28/2010 7:01:08 AM EDT
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The way I understand it DPMS doesn't actually manufacture anything.  They assemble rifles and sell parts.


DPMS will tell you different.  According to the Company, they produce many of their own parts, including manufacturing their barrels in house.



I know for a fact they don't produce their barrels.  I bought a 7.62x39 barrel from them and it was made by Wilson, for one example.. DPMS can say what they want, they are a distributor and an assembler. I highly doubt they make anything. You guys know by now there are only so many manufacturers of upper and lower receivers, not to mention other critical parts of the AR15.
2/28/2010 5:29:03 PM EDT
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I know for a fact they don't produce their barrels.  I bought a 7.62x39 barrel from them and it was made by Wilson, for one example.. DPMS can say what they want, they are a distributor and an assembler. I highly doubt they make anything. You guys know by now there are only so many manufacturers of upper and lower receivers, not to mention other critical parts of the AR15.


True, there are only a handful of true manufacturers, but DPMS has been around longer than 90% of the others in the AR market.  Considering the small number of 7.62x39 ARs, it wouldn't surpise me they outsource these barrels.
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