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Posted: 1/15/2010 3:07:13 PM EDT
| i was interested in getting a SASS and wondering what other ppl thought of them |
| No SASS, but an 18 and a 24" LR-308. Both work great. Triggers need at least a Bill Springfield $35 trigger job. They take 300+ rounds to settle in. Totally reliable. Had a retaining pin (for firing pin) break. DPMS sent me 4 free. They like Fed. Gold Med. Match 168/175 and Hornady 175 Match. I don't have time to reload. |
| I owned a DPMS SASS and ended up selling it. I bought it and the throat was too short, bullet was getting stuck in the lands and when I would attempt to manually extract it would pull the casing off the bullet (had to tap the bullet out with a rod). I sent it back and it was re-throated by DPMS. I was shooting Federal GMM 168 before and after the problem, but I could never get a group better than 2.5 MOA with that gun (and I broke it in properly). I think the throat too long afterward. I've heard some good things about them so I bought one and I have to say I will never purchase another DPMS gun again, its either hit or miss with their quality (I shot a mini sass before I bought the sass and it was awesome). I think the SASS is running about 2100.00 new now. For that money I would rather have GA Precision build me a precision AR-10 (with a match barrel) or you could get a Noveske N6 like I did. Hope this helps. |
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I owned a DPMS SASS and ended up selling it. I bought it and the throat was too short, bullet was getting stuck in the lands and when I would attempt to manually extract it would pull the casing off the bullet (had to tap the bullet out with a rod). I sent it back and it was re-throated by DPMS. I was shooting Federal GMM 168 before and after the problem, but I could never get a group better than 2.5 MOA with that gun (and I broke it in properly). I think the throat too long afterward. I've heard some good things about them so I bought one and I have to say I will never purchase another DPMS gun again, its either hit or miss with their quality (I shot a mini sass before I bought the sass and it was awesome). I think the SASS is running about 2100.00 new now. For that money I would rather have GA Precision build me a precision AR-10 (with a match barrel) or you could get a Noveske N6 like I did. Hope this helps. I'm sorry about your bad experience. I don't have an SASS but a 24" lr308 and its been great and really accurate. |
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I owned a DPMS SASS and ended up selling it. I bought it and the throat was too short, bullet was getting stuck in the lands and when I would attempt to manually extract it would pull the casing off the bullet (had to tap the bullet out with a rod). I sent it back and it was re-throated by DPMS. I was shooting Federal GMM 168 before and after the problem, but I could never get a group better than 2.5 MOA with that gun (and I broke it in properly). I think the throat too long afterward. I've heard some good things about them so I bought one and I have to say I will never purchase another DPMS gun again, its either hit or miss with their quality (I shot a mini sass before I bought the sass and it was awesome). I think the SASS is running about 2100.00 new now. For that money I would rather have GA Precision build me a precision AR-10 (with a match barrel) or you could get a Noveske N6 like I did. Hope this helps. I'm sorry about your bad experience. I don't have an SASS but a 24" lr308 and its been great and really accurate. I think the lr308's barrel is better than the sass from what I've heard. |
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Some people like them. I have one but have not shot it much yet. For the price and everything that comes with it you are not going to get anything as close for the same money. Is it the best rifle out there?...No its not. But for the price its a great rifle. I spent hours pricing diff builds and diff rifles. This included building my own. Every time the DPMS SASS was the best bang for the money. Has there been some issues with some rifles?...Yes. Will DPMS fix the problems if you get one that has issues?...Yes. Will it shoot sub MOA?...I think there are some rifles that can and some that can not. I have not tried to see what mine will do yet.
Maybe you should ask what are you looking to do with it and how much you can spend. |
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so i'm looking to to spend around 1800 and since no one is raving bout the sass i'm discouraged what direction do you think i should take For the money and what you get the SASS is actually pretty decent.Remember NO 308 style AR is gonna be as cheap as the '15.And they are generally capable of around 1 moa, remember that it isn't a top tier match grade pipe.Also large cal AR's are nowhere as easy to shoot accurately as a bolt gun, too many parts moving around.CAN it be done? Sure, just takes more practice and technique needs to be perfect.That said, you can build yourself one that will be capable of better accuracy but you're gonna be spending money, you just need to decide what you want. |
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I have had the LRT-SASS for almost a year. Put a Leopuld Mark 4 3.5x10 scope on it. Worked it in using Federal Gold Match, 168 gr. ammo, using 1 shot then clean. I have only about 75 rounds thru it. I love this gun. Prone, at 200 yards, I can get less than 2" groups, and I am not the greatest shot.
I have not bench shot this to pin-point it's accuracy. But an ex-Gunny friend who has fired many rounds thru various long-range rifles likes this one alot. He gets into the less-than-an-inch group without problems. Of course, he says that building your own is the only way for a perfect rifle. I can use Radway Green, Federal, American Eagle and Sellier Bellot, without a single - none, zero, nada, error of the rifle. Hoping to get emore range time so that I cen get myself up to the capabilities of this rifle. I'll be using it in competitions this summer, so I'll get better, precise accuracy information here for it. In my limited experince then, this thing rocks. For reference I have a Bushmaster 16" carbine, and an LWRC M6A2 SBR, in 5.56 that I shoot more regularly, and have shot a few rounds thru a custom-built Remington in .762. The DPMS is the King of the Roost for me. Now, if I can only get this bolt carrier pin back in without mucking up the whole thing, I'll be happier |
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what type of groups are you getting with these .308s??? I think with the right load you could REALISTICALLY get about 1 MOA with a SASS. Some guys claim .5 MOA, but I don't believe them as I've never seen anyone do it in person. With Match ammo I have had no trouble getting group's under an inch. With handload's 1/2-3/4 MOA are no problem with mine and a couple of 1/4 inch groups...Just ask my son! It kills him that I have a gasgun that will spank most of his Highend boltgun's! Stevie32...I'll gladly take your money! |
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what type of groups are you getting with these .308s??? I think with the right load you could REALISTICALLY get about 1 MOA with a SASS. Some guys claim .5 MOA, but I don't believe them as I've never seen anyone do it in person. With Match ammo I have had no trouble getting group's under an inch. With handload's 1/2-3/4 MOA are no problem with mine and a couple of 1/4 inch groups...Just ask my son! It kills him that I have a gasgun that will spank most of his Highend boltgun's! Stevie32...I'll gladly take your money! Well that's great that you got a good one. Like I said it's either hit or miss with DPMS. They're not know for their quality... |
| Yep...Good to go. I will claim sub .5moa w/ 168 FGMM. My barrell is crio, using chrome BCG, and Falcon Menace 5x25x56 on Burris rings. Won 2 different bets w/ my claim. 1 from an ex-USMC sniper who claimed "no way in hell" unless from a bolt action. Another from a buddy who shoots a HK 91 sniper. They claimed "no way" on sub 1 moa. They were both fun/friendly bets. Mine, too, will shoot many loads w/o any problems. Portugese, SA, Argentine, Black Hills, Winchester 7.62, IMI, FGMM, Remington Core-Lokt, American Eagle, LC Match 173gr, and Prvi have all been through my SASS. C Product mags work great too. |
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Have alot of ppl had problems with their DPMS?? I assumed them to be of near equal quality to the big boy. I have a DPMS Arctic Panther, it's a good shooter but...... I have already bent the charging handle ( no biggy, was gonna get a gas buster anyway) BCG machining sucks, lots of imperfections (again no biggy was going to buy a BCM BCG anyways) Carrier keys aren't staked properly...... hey wait a minute.... 
I am less than impressed with their finished product. I will keep this one and just replace the parts with quality parts however I personally will NOT buy/recommend a DPMS again. |
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Have alot of ppl had problems with their DPMS?? I assumed them to be of near equal quality to the big boy. not much experience with their 308's but TONS of their ar platform guns. seen more than a fwe with really bad QC problems out of the box and enough broken parts to take them off my buy list. i have handled a SASS but not shot one. fit and finish was excellent but based on issues i have seen on their other guns i would pass personally. |
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dude- you are so 2003.
DPMS 308 rifles have great quality. I cannot speak for their 223/556 so I wont. If you have no experience with the 308s, your opinion is not really valid is it? I sold my SR-25 to get a few DPMs 308s. All are flawless. My "shooter" shoots just as well as, if not better than my Knight's did. My AP-4 is a fun little gun with a lot of punch. I have many friends with these rifles, all of which have great fit, finish, and function. |
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dude- you are so 2003. DPMS 308 rifles have great quality. I cannot speak for their 223/556 so I wont. If you have no experience with the 308s, your opinion is not really valid is it? I sold my SR-25 to get a few DPMs 308s. All are flawless. My "shooter" shoots just as well as, if not better than my Knight's did. My AP-4 is a fun little gun with a lot of punch. I have many friends with these rifles, all of which have great fit, finish, and function. yes it really is as it speaks to the overall QC they put into their products. Spending 2k for a rifle from a company with a reputation for spotty quality is a decision people don't need to consider lightly. |
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like beer slayer said when spending 2k on a rifle it scares me hearing these stories. i really want a sass but is it worth the gamble? guys im feeling the love for DPMS, convince me, make me your brother! anyone know anything on the armlite SASS platform? DPMS LR 308. One shot group at 500 yards (first and only time I have ever shot 500, when the spotter said bullseye, I pulled my target to keep) 
Same rifle- testing new trigger not really trying for groups. three shots 100 yards .743-.308 = .435 
It is just a damn fine gun. You can read hundreds of opinions on the interwebs. Find one, shoot it, get your opinion from a rifle, not some dude sitting behind a keyboard. Especially people that have never handled or shot one 
My SASS, AP4 and one I havent figured out what to do with yet. And bear claw slippers FTW. 
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like beer slayer said when spending 2k on a rifle it scares me hearing these stories. i really want a sass but is it worth the gamble? guys im feeling the love for DPMS, convince me, make me your brother! anyone know anything on the armlite SASS platform? DPMS LR 308. One shot group at 500 yards (first and only time I have ever shot 500, when the spotter said bullseye, I pulled my target to keep) http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z285/leiasparents5/100_1205.jpg Same rifle- testing new trigger not really trying for groups. three shots 100 yards .743-.308 = .435 http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z285/leiasparents5/3shotgroup2.jpg It is just a damn fine gun. You can read hundreds of opinions on the interwebs. Find one, shoot it, get your opinion from a rifle, not some dude sitting behind a keyboard. Especially people that have never handled or shot one http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z285/leiasparents5/DSC03179.jpg http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww147/leiasparents7/dpmsrifle.jpg http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww147/leiasparents7/dpmssuppressed.jpg My SASS, AP4 and one I havent figured out what to do with yet. And bear claw slippers FTW. http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww147/leiasparents7/101_0032.jpg once again thats all fine and good and EVERY opinion online should be taken for what it's worth. sadly the MANY broken and defective rifles i have seen from them over the years counts for a bit more in my mind than one example of a good one. dpms makes good guns IF you get a good one out of the box. If not, your going to get a lot of headaches. For 2000.00+ people need to know what the company makes and the qc issues they have before spending that kind of money. I am not going to sugar coat an opinion on manufacturer and i wouldn't expect anyone else to either. glad you got a good rifle. as i said. above fit and finish on the sass rifles i handled were all excellent. Sadly i have also handled a few non sass 308's with improperly cut chambers and other issues that needed several trips back to make right. buy what you want..... but buy educated. |
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once again thats all fine and good and EVERY opinion online should be taken for what it's worth. ... Good point. Even though ARFcom has a lot of members and one sees a boatload of posts, it's really hard to draw any conclusions about quality of a platform based on a couple dozen posts. I think that any time you buy something that's mass produced you run the risk of getting a lemon. Heck, I got an Armalite lemon, and that single experience soured me on the AR platform for years. But that was a single instance of a problem gun and hardly makes Armalite a lousy gun manufacturer. I have an LR308 that has run flawlessly (and I mean no failures of any kind) for the 600+ rounds I've put down the tube. Again, certainly no statistical conclusions you can draw from my sample of one. However, not only does it run, it's relatively accurate. I've managed a 5/8" group with it, but that's more the exception than the rule. With its favorite ammo, Hornady 168 grn Amax, I probably average around 1 to 1.25 moa behind the wheel. That's not spectacular, but it's fine for me. And the kicker is that it'll shoot many different loads very close to the same point of aim, and that's a darned handy "feature". |
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