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Posted: 9/10/2007 10:53:58 PM EDT
| The time has come to upgrade from my .223 to a .308. I am mostly looking for accuracy, so if you guys could tell me what kind of .308 you have, and what kind of groups at 100 yards, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks in advance. |
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IMO get a DPMS non bull barrel if possible although they are more expensive than the bull barrel. Bull is $895 from R-guns. If it's not accurate enough drop a custom barrel on it for about $4-450. Most custom barrels will shoot 1/2" groups if you reload and do your part on the shooting. Barrels from Accuracy Speaks in AZ. My DPMS would get 1" groups with good reloads. PS don't believe all of that bull barrel,sniper hype all of the production barrels are just that production barrels. |
+1 I used to have a Knight's SR-25, but really enjoy the GAP DPMS SASS more. It shoots just as well (if not better) than the Knights, but I can get service and parts for it. If you want precision form a gas gun, this is the way to go. Indulge me in a picture.. 
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I'm very happy with my LR-308. The only issue I had with mine was the horrible stock trigger, but that was easy to fix, I dropped in a Timney. Accuracy is very good, this group was shot with Ultramax ammo, not even match grade stuff. I haven't had 2 days off in a row since July so I haven't even had a chance to run my handloads through it yet. Target was at 100 yds, there are 10 rounds and the squares are 1" btw.
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| The DPMS format seems to be the one other manufacturers are moving to. Funny thing that armalite wanted to protect thier pantents and keep 100% of the pie, but it will stay a little pie. DPMS is going to have a smaller percentage of a very large pie. I would rather be DPMS in this case. |
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i really dont see that manufactures are leaning towards a specific design, for exampl POF, Fulton and DPMS are of a single patter armalite uses there own pattern Cobb is using G3 Mags MGI is using original m14 mags HK is using there own mags RRA is using there own FAL mags Knights using there own mags(same as the DPMS mag) but have a differnet BCG so while a 3 companies have decide to make a simalar product, at least 6 companies are manufacturing their own aspect to the 308 AR world i think armalite gives the best quality, DPMS the best value, MGI and COB are giving the user a great capability in there reciever system. RRA is giving the user cheap mags, HK and Knights give the user tacticool points at the range |
Like what? ARMS made a SIR long ago for use with an ArmaLite AR-10. SWS's, LaRue's and DD's first rails were for the ArmaLite. The RS2, 13.2 and the 14.0. Slash's buffers were all originally made for use with the ArmaLite. Magpul made it's PRS stock with the ability to mount to a ArmaLite AR-10 second, right after the AR-15 kit was ready. Magpul makes magpuls for the AR-10/M14 based mags. PRI made the Gas Buster CH for the SR-25/AR-10 long ago. Triggers are universal. To what could you be referring???? |
| This is 20 shots at 200meters from my LR.308 24" SS BB, from a lead sled with 175grn handloads, the high shot is the first shot with a cold barrell. Sorry about the lack of focus.http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/Gutss/DCFC0022.jpg |
I'm guessing the post ban does not have a flash hider, or collapsible stock. |
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wish i saw this thread a few minutes earlier. i just posted something similar. here's what i get with mine. by no means have i shot good ammo and there are a few factors i did not include. i have fired slightly over 400 rounds. i shoot 3 rounds to get some fouling and warm up my barrel. that's what i do with all my rifles. if i let it cycle normal and feed from the mag groups significantly grow at 200yds and out. if i caress the round in so it don't scratch the soft tip groups get better. the nato ammo is junk i bought for plinking and shooting gar down on the creek. some malaysian some orange tip, some who knows what. here's what i got (i zero at 200 yds): surplus nato spec: 100 yds 3" group 1 3/4 high 200 yds 5" group zero 300 yds 8" group 9" drop 400 yds 12" group guessing about 28" drop winchester 150gr cheap box at walmart: 100 yds 3/4" group 2" high 200 yds 2.5" group zero 300 yds 4" group 11" drop 400 yds 8" group 27" drop winchester 180gr cheap box at walmart: 100 yds 1" group 2.5" high 200 yds 2.5" group zero 300 yds 7" group wopping 24" drop 400 yds screw it ---> hitting ground in front of target stand remington 150gr corelokt (cheap box at walmart too): 100 yds 5/8" group 1.5 high 200 yds 1" group zero 300 yds 2.5" group 9" drop 400 yds 4" group 26" drop i would seriously like to try some of that fusion ammo. tired of handloading and would like to find something acceptable over the counter. have not even tried handloading yet. when i get a little more money i am going to try some corbon, black hills, lapua and hornady. let me know what you get. best i got was 5/8" at 100yds with the rem. corelokt. |
The Titan is a souped up DPMS with a Krieger bbl. I wouldnt say no to it. (I would say HELL yes to it if you want to give me yours!!) But for almost the same $$ - you can have a custom built GAP. (thats what I did- I had the same decision to make) Decisions decisions |
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The Titan is manufactured with Fulton Armory parts. Although the collaboration between DPMS and Fulton resulted in making their parts interchangeable, there aren't any DPMS parts on there. Fulton had a 20th aniv sale recently and offered the Titan At 10% off. Saved me about $200, which is always nice. It's a lot of rifle for the $$ and with the additional 10%, I couldn't resist. |
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I have a Bushmaster BAR-10. It's VERY accurate. i only shoot handloads, and my best loads so far will do 10 rounds into 7/8" and sometimes under 3/4" However, it's VERY sensitive to ammo and the FN mags all had to be worked over. I took about 1/10" off the 'hump" of the feed lips so it will feed the round straighter, and it only will run with hotter loads. If I use a lesser load. it jams 3-4 time out of every mag. If I seat bullets too deep, it jams. If I use a powder it doesn't like, it jams. With LC machine gun brass, 46.4 gr IMR 4064, Remington Core-Loct 150 gr bullets and WW LR primers, and with rounds made to C.O.L. of a GI ball round, (not seated to the canalure) the rifle runs perfectly. I have now fired 360 rounds of this load without a hitch, and it shoot 7/8" EVERY time, and as I said, sometimes a bit tighter. I can't say much about other AR-10s but the Bushmaster is very good but only if you work the mags over, and only if you feed it what it wants. |
That's odd. I also have a Bushmaster BAR-10. It too is very accurate. I havn't used any handloads yet in it just whatever 308's I have kicking about as long as their non-corrosive, I'm good to go. I also use any old (in good shape, not junk) FAL mags. I've never had a jam, FTF or FTE with it. |
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Wow Taipan, I must have got a bad one, or you got a good one. I did fire 2 boxes of US GI 7.62 in mine that I got with the rifle, but that's the only good factory ammo I have shot. I tried some Argentine ammo, and some Radway Green and it jammed a bunch Now, as I said before, I shoot ONLY handloads, and I have no problems with it. I did open up all my mags because I shoot mostly soft points and the bullets would smash a bit and jam a lot. My opening them up I get a very straight feed now, and it is working like it should. i have 10 mags and all but one (that is bent) work perfectly now |
Sorry, I'm not trying to steal the thread. Not really. I think I have the average one. I know a couple of other people with the BAR-10. Their experiances are the same as mine. I've read a lot of posts, esp. here about the BAR-10 this and that like the missing lug, broken bolts, whatever, I've just never seen anything personally to support it all. I've used soft tips in it and no problems. FMJs, no problem. I've use 7.62 & 308 (yes, just like 5.56 & .223 are different) ran great. I've used both the metric and inch FAL mags, including the small 5 rounders, no problems. Again same with anyone I know that has them. The best I can get is that in the first runs of them there was a design flaw with the bolts tail piece breaking at a score mark that was there. I couldn't say if this were true or not. Mine is one of the later ones and so far no problems. |
They do not have Krieger barrels they are "Criterion" pulled button barrels Krieger owns Criterion but it is not the same company. Check Kriegers FAQ page for the truth. |
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