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Posted: 7/17/2007 2:58:07 PM EDT
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I really want to start hunting with my AR, mostly deer maybe a hog. Right now it's in 5.56/.223. Can't legally use 5.56 in my state (CT). I can't decide what caliber. Also CT has an AWB so no bayolug, flashhider or threaded barrel. 6.5grendel- looks like a great round, Wolf has inexpensive ammunition, which is a major bonus for me, I like to shoot as much as I possibly can and even more so with my hunting guns. 6.8spc- I don't know zip about the round, I'm sure it'll wack a deer dead but I haven't studied up on it that much. 7.62x39- I currently hunt with a bolt action mini mauser in this caliber, I've hunting with this round for quite a number of years. Doesn't seem to shoot as flat as the 6.5G but I don't usually shoot that far. I don't think I've taken a shot over 100yds on a game animal ever. 450bushmaster- Looks good, sounds good just don't think their out yet. 458socom- I know zip once again. I'd really like a 18in barrel, I can't seem to find any. 16in I could live with as well as 20. I usually still hunt, might sit and chill on a stump for awhile. But I'm usually moving around alot. I like lightweight. M4 size and weight I love. Handy and quick to the shoulder. No sights, it's gonna wear a scope. I don't need the front post setup or any flip ups. Please give me your opinions. Thanks----Paul |
| They are all great rounds, but I like the 6.8SPC better. If you want a 18" barrel, contact Ko-Tonics and he will build you a nice upper. He has many options that you can get and will work with you. Since you can't have a Flash Hider just have him attach a Muzzle brake that he sells. As far as the round, SSA and Hornady make good ammo with SSA making the best for Hunting with the 110 Gr. Barnes triple shock and 110 Gr. Sierra Pro-Hunters. |
| They will all do the job you reqiure. The problem with the 7.62 is crappy mags & bolt life isn't good. The 6.5 Gremlin is hard to get, including ammo. Its also premuim priced. It uses a very simular bolt to the 7.62. All things considered for short range deer hunting I'd say go with 6.8. The bolts have'nt been croaking like a 7.62 bolt, the mags feed & the uppers, ammo, dies, brass, etc are regular priced & readily available. M9 |
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Paul, for hunting purposes, I'm recommending the 6.5 Grendel. If you don't handload, Alexander Arms has four 6.5 Grendel factory loads geared toward hunting: 1. 90-grain Speer TNT 2. 120 Nosler Ballistic Tip 3. 129 Hornady SST 4. 130 Swift Scirocco Those loads alone should take you from "mouse to moose" quite handily.  If you handload, and are looking for penetration on big pigs, you can certainly try the wide variety of 6.5mm 140-grain bullets.John P.S. Oh, yes, as you mentioned, there is, of course, the Wolf 6.5 Grendel 123 Soft-Point, specifically geared toward hunting. | 6.5 Grendel: Because Capability Matters. | |
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458 SOCOM for ME, is the perfect brush gun, pig hammer or bear thumper... 6.8 SPC is going to be getting the field trials from me this fall... I will keep the boards posted. I decided to give it a shot, if the military decided to try it, I figure I might as well too. Variety is the spice of life ya know! I have used 223/556 for hunting and decided big bores were more fun, hence my switching. Have you considered an AR-10 in 308, not a bad choice at all. Depends on what kind of hunting... Im very anal about matching the best round for the game Im after, subsequently it forces me to (sigh) buy more firearms, but hey, its life, ya only live once. You mentioned deer, but if you plan on going on say a Moose hunt, or maybe black bear... better haul something big (bored that is). IF you lived in Alaska, I would say, Id only consider a 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf... along side a 454, 500 S&W or 460 S&S revolver.... ETA: I see your in CT. There are several AR15.com members in CT and New England who own big bore uppers, in both 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf, as well as 6.8 SPC, not sure about the 6.5 G but Im sure they are around too. If white tail in CT is all your after (and I know the CT area, Torrington, Avon, Farmington etc...) then I would say, your shots are going to be 100 yards maybe 150 and less, plus you have timber all over... unless your hunting one of those 40 acre farms... Id say, why not try a big bore AR-15 for kicks... the guys I know in CT who have them love them to death...and you get all sorts of looks at the range once you touch one of those 300 + grain loads off... Let us know if you need more help. |
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Not really looking to go to the AR10, 1 I can't afford a whole rifle at this time 2 I really haven't cared for any of the ar10s I've shot As far as game, 99.9%whitetail, maybe boar, maybe pronghorn. Bear moose and elk I have other guns I can use. I don't think I want to go bigger than 7.62x39 (sizewise), Frankly I'm sick of gettin pounded at the range. If 223/5.56 was legal in my state I'd use it. I don't feel undergunned one bit. As of right now I'm edging 6.8 or 6.5. 6.8 a bit more because it tends to be more popular and if a round was to fail usually the more popular ones don't. My shots aren't far, If I took a 200yd shot within the next 10years I wouldn't think it was normal. I looked at the 18in upper, I like it! Could he do no break at all. I don't feel it's needed. |
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There have been reports of 7-8 Grendel bolt failures. (The eigth may have been a re-report of an earlier failure, thus the discrepancy.) ALL have been with handloads, all but one with handloads that were significantly pushing the limit of safety. The exception was a handload that was believed to be a factory approved loading, but as it was a handload, there is the chance of an error. The reporting individual was an experienced loader, so I choose to believe his report, and wonder what other contributing factor there was. Two different bolts have been used in the Grendel: The AA designed bolt, which is used in the Beowulf as well. The CSS 7.62x39 bolt. The failures have been roughly halved, with 3 CSS bolt failures and 4 AA failures. The only APPROVED 6.5 Grendel bolt is the AA bolt. There is some question about quality control on the 7.62 bolts as an issue. The bolts ARE NOT interchangeable. To be completely fair, Alexander Arms says their bolt has a proprietary steel, and that it has been re-engineered to more able to handle the abuse the 6.5 gives it. So far as is known, no independant lab has done testing on the bolts from any of the manufacturers, including the AA bolt. Grendel owners have had thousands of rounds through some rifles with no problems, while some of the seven bolts have failed fairly early in the life cycle. NO bolt failures have been reported with factory ammunition. Hope that helps! Bill 
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I figured being in CT your shots were close ( I hunt in the west and mid west, shots are alot longer and, subsequently a bit harder due to the lack of cover at times...) Anyways, I think if your looking for a 200 yard or less gun, why not check out the RRA 6.8 SPC (they have them on the website for something like $450 for the upper, then all you need is a mag or two and your good to go). Other companies to consider, are Ko-Tonics, they have an "improved" SAMMI spec chamber for the 6.8 SPC and ALOT of members here on AR15.com have Ko-Tonics barrels are report very very good things regarding accuracy potential and FPS. Personally, I like their 18 inch barreled offerings. Futhermore, you cant go wrong with a Barrett (however they are on the high side...), or any other very good AR maker. I personally have not used a 6.5 G, there are several members here who own them, the one Im most familiar with, is CurlyMaple42, hes in New England and hunts up there quite a bit, he could give you the low down on his experiences with it in that regard. As for the 6.8, I felt if the military took it on, I would give it a try this fall, a few members used it for Proghorn (aka Speed goat) and did well... heres a pic or two 6.8 SPC hunting photos |
thanks for the link. I like the ko tonics 18in, well it looks like it would work for me, I don't really need a 16in 20s are sometimes too muzzle heavy for my taste. so I figure 18 is good! I'll look at the RRA, I was looking at the stag upper too. |
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I think we would all like the perfect rifle! It just doesn't exist, so we all try to find the compromise that fits US best. Some of us like the 6.5 and some of us like the 6.8, but both are GREAT rifles. The bolt issue is a non-issue to me, since they don't fail in a manner that is particularly dangerous, the lugs just break off. And even to do that, you have to be pushing the edge significantly, which is not what building a dependable hunting rifle is about anyway! For what you are doing, both will work very well. There are some great 6.8 manufacturers out there, and it is certainly more widely available. The Grendel is less easily found, with Alexander Arms, Les Baer, and Sabre Defence essentially being your only options. None are cheap, but all offer quality rifles. I like the availability of a wide range of 6.5 factory ammo, with everything from 95 grain to 129 grain loads available. However, since there are effectively only 2 manufacturers of brass right now, Lapua and Wolf, sometimes it gets a little hard to find ammo. Cheap Wolf ammo is becoming fairly common online, if not in stores. The 6.8 factory loads are a little more limited, with only 110 grain and 115 grain factory ammo available readily. Those ARE good loads for the cartridge, but limit finding the BEST load for your particular barrel. However, the ammo IS easier to find, and many brick and mortar stores carry at least SOME 6.8 ammo, something that can't be said about the 6.5 Grendel. So, both will work, the 6.8 is more widely available, the 6.5 Grendel has more factory ammo options, but sometimes is hard to find ammo for. Good Luck, and let us know what you end up doing! Bill |
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If you reload and want a fun project, I would build a 300-221 fireball. The other name for this round is the 300 whisper. In a 16-inch barrel you can push 110 gr bullet to ~2400 fps or 125 gr to ~2300 fps. In the Northeast most shots are under 150 yards... so the 110 and 125 gr bullets will shoot plenty flat. You can also run heavier bullets than you can in the 6.5 Grendal or 6.8 SPC. I have two loads that I like 180 Gr Sierra GK BT at 1850 fps and 150 gr Sierra GK BT at 2000 fps. The 300-221 fireball has a very mild report as well. I have also shot sub-sonic loads in this caliber 165 gr 180 gr and 200 gr Sierra GK BT at 1050 fps. The report for these loads is less than a 9mm pistol. The long boat tail bullets are critically stabilized in the 1:8 twist barrel and tumble on impact. The bullet almost always exits, leaving a 1x3 to 2x4 inch exit gash. Have you heard of the expression bled like a stuck pig! The other nice thing about the 300-221 fireball is that the AR15 mags work unmodified and the bolt is also left unmodified. Check the load data for the 300-221 fireball here: http://reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=135 A Google search will turn up a lot of information for this cartridge. So in summary, this round is ballistically similar the the 7.62x39 but can handle heavier bullets, up to 240 gr. at ~1300-1400 fps. 320pf |
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Did a bit of surfin, read alot of stuff. If I get the 6.5 it's gonna be the AA hunter upper. Just about fits my bill to a T When I get to work tommorrow I'll ask the boss what he thinks, If I get it through him I can lay away which is good. Also saw their is a Tripleshok load for the 6.8 and a ultra bonded corelokt by remmy. Both great hunting bullets so it doesn't make my decision any easier. I don't see myself wishing I got the other, but I hate havin to make the choice. |
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Alexander Arms sells a Beowulf .50 that should take any north american game out there. 2000 fps pushing a 334 grin bullet. I read somewhere that it can break both shoulders of a moose at 50-100 yards. Muzzle energy at 100 yards is equal to a 12ga slug at the end of the barrel. You can even shoot mice but may not find anything left. Kick is a little stout. Steve |
There is a photo someplace, I saw it when CurlyMaple42 linked me to it, the 50 Beowulf that was used to shoot that moose was in Alaska I think..anyways, yes if I remember right, it penetrated both shoulder blades and exited. At a range under 100 yards as well. |
Well, that sounds good Grendliezor. But how many of those loads are really for sale? I'd just about bet that AA doesn't have any for sale at the moment. The reality is about all you can find is cheap wolf ammo & overpriced Black hills Match ammo & even they ain't easy. The rest are vaporware IMO. If you order a new hunter upper from AA today, you'd be lucky to get it by hunting season. M9 |
The loads are available through a couple internet sources and Wolf ammo is available many places. Why does M9 cling to the ammo shortage of 2006 as gospel for the Grendel along with other disparaging remarks? |
A little bird told me there is discussion of another failed bolt on 6.5 Gremlin.com. Its supposedly another High-Power competitor that has given up on the Gremlin. Its supposedly under a thread about making major with the ctg. Don't know if thats one thats already been counted or not. You are the one keeping count & the one that still has acsses to the site, so you fiqure it out. No idea which bolt it was either. Doesn't seem to matter. M9 |
The 6.5 Grendel with 123gr rounds is running about 100fps below what MPF competitors would like in an AR platform. Competitive handloaders have been pushing the 123gr rounds to get above 320 power factor. As with any handloading where the loads are pushed beyond recommended pressure limits, bolt life is shortened. |
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psegnatelli, The best places to research are the dedicated forums for each cartridge. There are experts on each system at the dedicated sites who have shot numerous rounds of ammo from the platform. You will get negative spam on the 6.5 Grendel from M9powell here (he calls it the Gremlin). http://www.65grendel.com/forum http://www.50beowulf.com/forum there are also two dedicated forums to the 6.8 SPC - don't remember the link info offhand - someone else can post. you can also find information on http://www.wikipedia.org the online encyclopedia by searching the name of any caliber you mentioned. All of the 6.5 Grendel shooters have left this forum except to check in once in a while to direct those interested to the dedicated site. Most 6.8 shooters have also left this forum as well to head over to their dedicated sites that were started in the last month. |
No argument with that statement. Competition pushs hardware to the limits. It also shows us where the limit is. That limit is not far away from normal ammo. I'd like a little more cushion. M9 |
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Counted and included, its the one that I'm not sure if it was included in the previous count or not, the failure was actually some time ago, so I believe it was. ONCE AGAIN, there have been NO FAILURES with Factory ammunition. M9, your continuing to point out the same things over and over is a little ridiculous. The facts are out there, they are easily found, and the OP's question was answered appropriately. And give up on the "little bird" thing. You are free to read on Grendel forums, which it is quite obvious you do, just not post because of past inappropriate postings. I've read some of them, and they were both inappropriate and uncalled for. It's quite amazing how you seem determined to singlehandedly (well, you have help from one or two other posters here) destroy AA's reputation and business plan. The Grendel has proven itself to many of us, but you seem determined to smear it any way you can! You repeat the same old story, as if repetition will change the facts. The facts are as stated above in my previous posts. Now, the facts have been posted, the OP's questions have been answered, why not leave the thread to run it's course? Allow the OP the respect he deserves by not repeatedly returning to the same issue every time! Bill
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In general I agree with that. As long as you are not depending on the weapon functioning to keep you safe. Usually when an AR bolt breaks, it just stops functioning, but not always. Don't know if its still there or not, but back when I had access to Gremlin.com there was a pic posted of a Match upper with the side carrier mounted cocking knob that got a ding from a bolt fragment that let go when the bolt grenaded. I'm glad that wasn't the shooters fingers or eyes. He does admit too loading it hot. But I wouldn't assume a grenading bolt was always safe. Luckily for the shooters it usually is. I also have in my possesion a Gremlin chambered Walther match barrel that had the barrel extension destroyed & the barrel's breech face wounded by a grenading bolt from a competition load. I think it's salvagable, if I can time another extension to it. M9 PS Not sure about this, But I'm thinking that in order to ding that bolt handle like it did, the weapon might have been unlocking while it was still under too much pressure. |
In contrast to the above warning by Reginhild regarding "pushing" 6.5G loads, here's a video of a fat old guy who loaded some hot 6.8 SPC loads. If you don't have time for the download, the loads fired perfectly and he got over 2,600 fps from a 16" barrel. Of course, all such reloading must be done carefully and incrementally, stating low and working up. |
No, I thought the one you were refering to as not sure was the one listed under the 28" thread. This is another one just posted recently. I thought you said you wanted the truth. Sounds to me like you just want to stifle discussion. I strongly disagree with the statement that I am singlehandidly destroying AA business. If that were true they'd have excess inventory, correct? Plenty of product & no buyers. The truth seems to be the opposite. Plenty of orders & no product to sell. Thats a manufactring problem. Surely you don't blame me for their inability to meet demand. M9 |
To clean and clear this thread up a bit. Lets see if I can get things linked up, its a pitty to see a good solid question, fall to this, bolt or ammo shortage issue, AGAIN. For the record, sources to consider or reputable nature are as follows: For the Big Bore side of things: 458 SOCOM Dedicated Forum 50 Beowulf Dedicated Forum www.hornady.com/story.php?s=543 (the 450 Bushmaster is not shipping YET, nor am I up to speed on any site devoted to it, BUT there are specs listed at the link) the 6.x Discussion Sites as I know them: 6.8 SPC Discussion and yet another 6.8 SPC Discussion No.2 6.5 Grendel Discussion Now, back on topic, while some contest there might be an "abandoning" or shooters from AR15.com who shoot the 6.8 SPC as well as the 6.5 Grendel, I would respectfully, disagree. I know quite a few people, in both the comp shooting arean as well as from other circles I work in, who refer to this site for the majority of their info pertaining to those two rounds. The notion that "all of the 6.5 Grendel shooters" have left ar15.com in favor of the aforementioned, is quite frankly one mans perception, and nothing more. I can think of several members online now who own both a 6.8 and a 6.5 who shoot both and are very active on here. Sure, maybe some HAVE departed, thats their own choosing, but AR15Barrels, Big Bore (both of ADCO and the other one from Va), SHIVAN, CurlyMaple42, myself, MartyTW, Forest, and a plethora of others, are still here, because despite thoughts to the contrary, this site does offer a boat load of info...now if people could only keep it from falling apart, we would be dandy. Yes, you can do to a dedicated caliber forum and read some very good info, that is not to say that same very good info cannot be attained here. Unfortunately, this site gets plagued by those who feel the need to "pit" one round versus the other. I personally dont care which you choose, I hope, you as the shooter, read up and make a solid informed decision based on what you feel suits your needs. Another suggestion IF I may, your in CT, consider posting in the New England Hometown forum, asking if anyone in there owns (insert whichever caliber you wish to try) and see if you can set up a range day to go try one out. I know some folks have done that in other hometown forums and I even took some of my "AR Variants" out one day so some people interested in them could fire off a few mags. Maybe offer to pay for the range fee as compensation etc. |
Thats it, drop it, you guys dont get it do you? Site Staff was alerted to this thread (not by me mind you but by someone reading or posting IN THIS VERY THREAD, I got the IM about it when I logged in and then checked here and this is what I find) if you cant keep these innocent questions from becoming battle grounds, go log off and go shooting. I wonder if any of you guys actually do make it to the range the way your fighting on here. You guys heard it here, from me, one more word, and I dont much care what happens to any of you. This person asked a good question, if you cannot provide solid technical discussion in this, a tech discussion forum, leave. We dont need it here. Bolts break, fine, ammo goes scare, fine, its addressed, its been re addressed, leave it be. Let him do his research, or ask the questions if he so chooses, but to initiate a pissing match over something beaten to death ruins good discussion. Once again. |
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Gentlemen, I've been perhaps overly subtle in the past regarding comments by certain members that bash manufacturer's products without producing and posting evidence. I'll state for the record here: Everyone stop bringing up old news that has been done to death here and other web sites and keep the discussion on-topic. The OP here was asking about white-tail hunting calibers. This is not going to devolve any further into metallurgical/QC/ or logistic discussions. If the trend toward product bashing and general nastiness that I've been seeing in the AR Forums doesn't stop here and now, there will be some people finding their accounts locked and a nastigram from me in their personal email. 
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I am, of course, a big fan of the .50Beowulf, but recently have acquired a 6.5G upper and have it all set up with a nice scope and all. I LOVE it!! It is a freaking tack driver! I am loading very conservative loads using a powder not listed on the data but within the burn rate area and my loads are grouping very well and at respectable velocities for hunting in the 100-200yd range. My wife shot it last weekend and she really liked it too! She shot a squirrel target in the neck at 100yds on her first shot with it, and she hasn't shot a damn rifle in like 10 yrs!!! It of course is a 22" barrelled rifle with a 6.5-20x scope, but still, this thing is great! I am not saying it is better than a 6.8 or anything, nor do I really care, but my 6.5G shoots great and I have had no feeding issues or anything at all. Low recoil, great accuracy. Oh, and as to ammo, I think [email protected] has a case of 6.5G ammo in stock. The WOLF ammo is reportedly kind of dirty to shoot, as in it takes a while to clean your weapon. Oh, and I think Lars is getting in a few 6.5G uppers soon too. (Cold, did I do good not getting into the fray?  ) |
Wow, I don't get here until afternoons, and look what I missed out on.  As for deer caliber choices, I'd say that range should be the key factor, as all rounds mentioned will easily kill a deer. If range will be under 200 yards or so, I'd vote for the .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf. You can't beat the 300-600 grain bullets for flattening a whitetail. If you plan to shoot much beyond 200 yards, then you'd be better served with either a 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel. Here in Indiana, I've taken right around 50 whitetails, and the farthest shot was 147 yards -- and that was with a deer slug! I'll be hunting with a .458 SOCOM for the first time this coming season, as Indiana just legalized certain rifles for deer. Up until this year, we've been a shotgun state. |
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I hate it when a thread turns into a bickering panty wad. For those that posted civil comments thank you. I really like the ko tonics 18in upper in 6.8, just about everything I want or need. Also like the AA hunter 6.5 upper. I'm not really intrested in the bigbore uppers yet. I've been reading as much as I can on BOTH cartridges. I believe I'm going to go with the 6.5grendel. To me it seems a bit more flexible in the hunting relm. Ballistics or more on the side of the 6.5x55 Swede which I like alot. I'm not worried about getting a rifle setup for hunting this season I have plenty of firearms and very little time on hand, plus I have to jiggle up some funds without eating rice and beans. Once again thanks Sorry it got out of hand. |
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Lots of choices mentioned here, I don't have all the calibers listed above. I have 3 6.8SPCs, a 21genghis(5.45x39) 7.62x39 and 50BMG in addition to of course many 223. Of those I like the 6.8SPC for what you wanted to do with it. I am not a competition shooter. I have read a lot of the this is better than that threads and fights here, I even started one without meaning to. The reason I went with the 6.8SPC is because it's everywhere, when you go the gun shows almost every table that carries ARs has some 6.8 stuff not true for any of the other different calibers than 223, same thing with ammo. Just that simple. I have seen a lot of guns come and go over my lifetime. If you want to reload then it doesn't really matter if you stock up on components if something goes away or not. I do plan if I live long enough to have at least one of each, I want a 458 upper next. Do I need it NO, but then this was never about need was it. |
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Paul, One more to consider, if you handload. It sounds like you are looking for factory, but it is out there, the 6x45. Basically a 556 case necked to 6mm (.243). If you can live with a 85 grain class bullet (the longer ones become problematic), it should hit whitetail with enough authority to do the trick. The 85 graines Barnes TSX is what I have settled on, and it has worked for me on one antelope. It might be a little thin going up to hogs, but enough folks have harvested them with the lowly 556 that I would not be too worried. It is a snap to reload, and no harder to shoot than a 556. You might want to contact Randall at ar15barrels. He is pretty knowledable, and can build many different calibers. Craig |
You didnt mean for it too, unfortunately, these things happen. Ive been involved in some, in the past, I just learned the fact is, regardless of which caliber you choose, your shooting and your hunting, and that helps further our collective cause as gun owners/hunters/sportsmen. Dont feel as though you can't ask a question, by all means continue to do so. This is just happens when a good discussion gets going in these parts, a select few muddy the solid tech discussion, but its not going to happen here much longer. |
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I'm looking to step up to a deer caliber with my AR, and with all of the reading I have done I am going to go with a 6.8. There's more factory ammo available and more uppers and parts. If I wanted to go a little bigger I would go with a 458. That's just my opinion, ymmv Polytech |
I probably should have said "all the 6.5 Grendel shooters that post here also post at 65grendel.com and others post solely at 65grendel.com". I'm one of the ones who still comes by here at ar15.com. |
The guy asked for opinions. I honestly feel that 7.62X39 bolts are weaker than 6.8 bolts of otherwise like construction. I also feel like quality mags for the 6.8 are available & such for the 7.62X39 are mostly inadequate. I feel that was technical discussion that is relevant to his question. If that ruffles some manufactuers feathers, so be it. CP products has been working on a product improved 7.62X39 mag for a long time & MGI has been working on a product improved bolt for a long time also. If & when those products come out & if they prove adequate then a 7.62X39 AR & other calibers based on this case will be a lot more viable. If this site has become so commercialised that honest technical discussion that doesn't suit a manufactuers marketing statements is not allowed then by all means pull my account. M9 |
No argument there. (emphasis above is mine)
Again, I agree. (again, emphasis is mine)
Funny, so far I don't see you saying anything about Alexander Arms products or your personal favorite, the 6.5 "Gremlin".
Valid points for future discussion.
Mr. Powell, I take exception to your final comments and since you haven't seen fit to reply to my IM, I'll state my viewpoint for all to see. I feel that your conduct in various Forums here, including, but not limited to, AR Variants and Suppressors has been far from "honest, technical discussion". While you appear to have a good command of technical minutiae, your command of syntax and idiom, at least in English, as well as basic courtesy and the rules of debate is less ably demonstrated. You seem to take a certain level of pleasure in being sarcastic, even snide. I find your general posting style here, or "online personality" if you will, to be prejudicial to harmony and good order. I also find your often demonstrated personal animus towards Alexander Arms products, and perhaps Bill Alexander personally, to be annoying, if simply by repetition. Does the phrase ad nauseum sound familiar? Granted, this is my opinion, and as such, totally subjective. However, I am the guy (idiot, nitwit, jerkoff, asshole, whatever term you most prefer) with the big red button labelled "Lock User Account" on my screen. I'm also the guy (moron, dipshit, fuckhead, etc.) that can ban IP addresses if a temporary time-out proves insufficiently corrective. If I don't see you begin rapidly to behave in a more civil manner, the above emphasis I added to your last statement may prove to be the final outcome. Be careful what you wish for. |
I do apoligize for that. I've been preoccupied. A stock I'm heavily invested in just reported earnings after the close & I've been tuned in to the anaylsts conference since. M9 |
Naw, I wouldn't call you any of the above. I think you are just a guy caught in the middle who is under pressure from a manufacturer. I've been called a lot worse, by them. Seems you do have a good grasp of the English language. So sorry that you find fault in my use of it. However I wasn't aware that people came to this site for english lessons. M9 |
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