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Posted: 11/21/2015 7:08:48 PM EDT
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I am currently in the market for a complete rifle. Something name brand, history of good weapon systems, reliable and most of all a warranty. I own several AR15s, mostly builds of my own but I'm looking to get into some shooting classes and I want something reliable and dependable for that as well as defense.
I'm selling my old M1A and a converted saiga to cut down on so many different systems and ammos. Anyway, long story short, 3 rifles have caught my attention. Desired specs: Free float 14.5 barrel (preferably govt profile as I'm unsure of LW) Decent trigger Flat top (no fixed sights) Reliable and vetted system Pricing around 2k is acceptable DI gas Pinned brake Customer service (in case) Spikes Tactical: (Black Assassin) http://www.spikestactical.com/st-black-assassin-556-145-16oal-p-918.html Daniel Defense: (DDM4 V11 slw) https://danieldefense.com/firearms/mid-length/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v11-slw-1439.html?SID=4bajmnkv52s16q3r5kbslh02h2 BCM: (HSP Jack Carbine) http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/TheJack/ I cannot find any reasoning in which rifle to choose over any other rifle. All companies seem to have their followers and all seem to have excellent reviews. Just trying to get some input on which direction to go. Thanks. |
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Flip. A. Coin. EDIT: Lightweight barrel is GTG. I would buy an upper from your favorite Logo and do the rest myself. Even with the brands mentioned, there are always parts I wish could have been substituted (think trigger, selector, maybe an enhanced bolt catch, QD end plate, favorite grip, favorite stock etc). |
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I completely disagree with DD being the best value out of those options. The best Value DDs are in the $1400-$1500 price range but for $1900 you should be getting a 100% complete rifle. That DD will eventually need a CH and Trigger replacement at a minimum. I personally don't like the look of the Spikes nor do I think Spikes are worth the money anymore. Out of the 3 the BCM seems to have the most going for it and also looks pretty awesome.
You could also check out the Noveske Gen 1 Light Carbine 14.5" with DD RIS2 Handguard (http://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles/products/gen-i-light-carbine-14-5-5-56-w-daniel-defense-ris2-handguard). It runs a little cheaper than the BCM but has all equivalent parts with a couple of subtle differences. |
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BCM and DD have the best barrels with the most sensible gas-ports. Spikes also has a good barrel, but is overgassed. "Overgassed" as in it will cycle cheap, underpowered, eastern bimetal ammo like tula, silver bear and wolf %100. BCM and DD both sometimes have problems doing so. Not that I recommend running bimetal. All three are great barrels and great companies. I'm partial to spikes due to being semi-local and their willingness to listen to quirky customer requests..... dissipator, honey badger, calico jack.... |
| I'd go with a BCM ELW KMR-A 14.5 upper, then add BCG/CH for $69. I wouldn't go with a .gov profile barrel, they are pointless. Buy a complete BCM lower and you got yourself a solid rifle for around $1200ish. BCM is damn hard to beat considering the cost to quality ratio... |
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I completely disagree with DD being the best value out of those options. The best Value DDs are in the $1400-$1500 price range but for $1900 you should be getting a 100% complete rifle. That DD will eventually need a CH and Trigger replacement at a minimum. I personally don't like the look of the Spikes nor do I think Spikes are worth the money anymore. Out of the 3 the BCM seems to have the most going for it and also looks pretty awesome. You could also check out the Noveske Gen 1 Light Carbine 14.5" with DD RIS2 Handguard (http://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles/products/gen-i-light-carbine-14-5-5-56-w-daniel-defense-ris2-handguard). It runs a little cheaper than the BCM but has all equivalent parts with a couple of subtle differences. I know I've been out of the game for a while but why would the DD need a CH and trigger replacement "at a minimum" but the other two wouldn't? |
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Without looking into all the details you posted, I believe DD has the most accurate barrels of the bunch on average. That is my opinion of course but from the many reviews I have read. You probably wouldn't ever notice much of a difference though - they are all great brands. But If they were all 3 in front of me I'd pick the DD barrel every time. And lightweight is also a huge bonus to me. I also believe the heavier Gov profile barrel is pointless since all the weight is out at the end of the barrel. I will never buy another gov profile unless it is dirt cheap or for a period correct build.
For BCGs , BCM has the most love. But I doubt there is much quality difference between the 3 and would trust any of them with my life. Other then the BCG/Barrel the only other main important thing to me is trigger group. The rest like the lower/upper receiver etc are identical in every way if you ask me. |
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I'd go with a BCM ELW KMR-A 14.5 upper, then add BCG/CH for $69. I wouldn't go with a .gov profile barrel, they are pointless. Buy a complete BCM lower and you got yourself a solid rifle for around $1200ish. BCM is damn hard to beat considering the cost to quality ratio... I agree with this. I bought my last 2 BCMs prior to the release of the KMR-a but both are kmrs, mbus pros, and have geisselle triggers. About $1400ea. They are great shooters and very light. I would definately go KMR vs the jack based on hand guard alone. DSG has had some good sales on the DD rifles. I don't like their quad rails though. I wouldn't mind one with the new slim rail. Compared to the deals to be had on the BCM and DD rifles right now, I'd have a hard time oicking the spikes at $1925 |
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"Overgassed" as in it will cycle cheap, underpowered, eastern bimetal ammo like tula, silver bear and wolf %100. BCM and DD both sometimes have problems doing so. Not that I recommend running bimetal. All three are great barrels and great companies. I'm partial to spikes due to being semi-local and their willingness to listen to quirky customer requests..... dissipator, honey badger, calico jack.... Quoted:
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BCM and DD have the best barrels with the most sensible gas-ports. Spikes also has a good barrel, but is overgassed. "Overgassed" as in it will cycle cheap, underpowered, eastern bimetal ammo like tula, silver bear and wolf %100. BCM and DD both sometimes have problems doing so. Not that I recommend running bimetal. All three are great barrels and great companies. I'm partial to spikes due to being semi-local and their willingness to listen to quirky customer requests..... dissipator, honey badger, calico jack.... I have owned 2 Spike's upper and 4 BCM, all have cycled Tula with Spike's T2 buffers. One Spike's 14.5'' middy, 1 spikes 16'' middy, 3 BCM 16'' middys, and 1 BCM 14.5'' car. None seemed any more "gassed" than the other. Go with a LW barrel of some sort and leave anything heavier for bench rest guns. |
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I know I've been out of the game for a while but why would the DD need a CH and trigger replacement "at a minimum" but the other two wouldn't? Quoted:
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I completely disagree with DD being the best value out of those options. The best Value DDs are in the $1400-$1500 price range but for $1900 you should be getting a 100% complete rifle. That DD will eventually need a CH and Trigger replacement at a minimum. I personally don't like the look of the Spikes nor do I think Spikes are worth the money anymore. Out of the 3 the BCM seems to have the most going for it and also looks pretty awesome. You could also check out the Noveske Gen 1 Light Carbine 14.5" with DD RIS2 Handguard (http://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles/products/gen-i-light-carbine-14-5-5-56-w-daniel-defense-ris2-handguard). It runs a little cheaper than the BCM but has all equivalent parts with a couple of subtle differences. I know I've been out of the game for a while but why would the DD need a CH and trigger replacement "at a minimum" but the other two wouldn't? Because when the shtf and your rifle has a milspec charging handle in you're toast. Your rifle will not fire and your wife is going to blow the neighborhood since you are rocking a milspec trigger and c/h. No mall ninja would be caught with that shit. |
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Because when the shtf and your rifle has a milspec charging handle in you're toast. Your rifle will not fire and your wife is going to blow the neighborhood since you are rocking a milspec trigger and c/h. No mall ninja would be caught with that shit. Quoted:
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I completely disagree with DD being the best value out of those options. The best Value DDs are in the $1400-$1500 price range but for $1900 you should be getting a 100% complete rifle. That DD will eventually need a CH and Trigger replacement at a minimum. I personally don't like the look of the Spikes nor do I think Spikes are worth the money anymore. Out of the 3 the BCM seems to have the most going for it and also looks pretty awesome. You could also check out the Noveske Gen 1 Light Carbine 14.5" with DD RIS2 Handguard (http://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles/products/gen-i-light-carbine-14-5-5-56-w-daniel-defense-ris2-handguard). It runs a little cheaper than the BCM but has all equivalent parts with a couple of subtle differences. I know I've been out of the game for a while but why would the DD need a CH and trigger replacement "at a minimum" but the other two wouldn't? Because when the shtf and your rifle has a milspec charging handle in you're toast. Your rifle will not fire and your wife is going to blow the neighborhood since you are rocking a milspec trigger and c/h. No mall ninja would be caught with that shit. Maybe I just know "milspec" is garbage because I've been Active Duty for 9 years. Everything the Army uses is done under budget restraints, the spongy trigger you use in a milspec M4 is absolute garbage and the milspec charging handle requires you to apply way too much pull force most of the time. I enjoy being able to charge my rifle with 1 finger. Maybe you shouldn't assume everyone who enjoys quality gear is a mall warrior lol The BCM has that, the DD has garbage "milspec" parts in place, you'll eND up upgrading so might as well just knock it put |
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