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Posted: 4/19/2015 2:00:34 PM EDT
| I know this is a very subjective topic but what in your opinion is the best AR trigger around? Please include all triggers you have tried too please. I am trying to decide on a trigger for a 300 blk SBR build and can't make up my mind. At one point I was leaning towards a Geiselle (sp?) SSA and now I am leaning towards a Timney skeltonized 4 lb trigger. In the AR platform I have only tried stock triggers and a RRA National Match. I have a Geiselle Super Scar Trigger in my Scar 17s that I love and a Timney straight trigger in a 700 I own. I also am amazed by that one. Help me decide please and thank you |
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I have a Geissele SSA and an SSA-E in two of my lowers. Both are better than the standard triggers I had in all my ARs until recently by leaps and bounds. I have a Timney single stage adjustable trigger in my Rem 700, and it's a great trigger. I personally prefer a two stage trigger in an AR.
What kind of optics are you putting on the SBR and how far are you planning on shooting the rifle? |
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I am going to put an Aimpoint Comp 4 and don't plan on doing too much precision shooting. I was leaning towards a single stage trigger on this one. I haven't used a Timney trigger on an AR, but if their AR triggers are the same quality as their bolt action triggers that option should serve you well. Also, installation should be less of a pain compared to standard triggers. |
| Funny, i was originally looking at the cmc and timney triggers. After a couple recommendations about POF, from a gun nut from my hvac class and a range officer/ex-military guy at a range i was checking out, i figured what the hell. I was also interested in the KNS pin set, so it was like a two-for-one. I got it from joeboboutfitters for i think $170 and went with the curved trigger, not that enhanced finger placement model, because i didn't want interference with the phase 5 enhanced bolt catch lever. Oh yeah, youtube has a couple of good video reviews that gave me the last bit of confidence before plunking the funds. |
| The "best trigger" is really up to the shooter. People have different preferences for triggers so we will never agree which one is "best". As an example, I recently purchased an AR Gold trigger and I just don't like it as much as my SSA-Es. My friends think the complete opposite and one of them is buying the AR Gold off me. Really the best way to tell which is best for you is to try as many as possible. |
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This is how I rate the triggers I've tried over time (favorite to least favorite). Now, it's important to note that I like a lighter 2-stage trigger for precision and hunting. Geissele Hi-speed DMR LaRue MBT-2S Geissele SSA (this is my favorite "do all", multi-purpose trigger) Rock River 2-stage Varmint Rock River 2-stage NM Timney AR-15 Comp. (I only rate this one low because I don't like single-stage triggers. It's actually a very nice, well made trigger that breaks consistently) ALG ACT Franklin Armory Factory Custom Tuned 4.5LB trigger (again, a nice trigger but I don't like single-stage triggers) I'm currently playing with a CMC 2/2 2-stage, and I'll be ordering a Geissele SSA-E here shortly. ETA: Like you've already noted OP, trigger feel is VERY subjective. What some people like about a trigger, others will hate. |
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There a lot of good triggers available right now. Different triggers tend to lend themselves to different types of shooting. Here are the triggers I currently own: RRA NM RRA Varmint x2 - For $79 delivered these are great bang for buck. RRA has updated QC and now gets returns on ~1 in 10,000 units. JARD Adjustable x2 - These can be adjusted to a super short reset. One of mine is set to .03 and the other is set to .06 reset. The SD3G resets in .06. These have a slower lock time, so they are slightly more forgiving to pulling the trigger before the bolt is closed. JARD single stage non-adjustable - I'm not a big fan of this trigger. CMMG 2 Stage Armalite 2 stage - I haven't installed this one yet. Geisselle S2S - Precursor to the G2S - Great trigger for the money, slightly better than RRA Varmint. Geisselle SD-C - If I spent this much again I would get the SD-E for a few dollars more. Geisselle SD3G - Great for shooting fast, I have outrun the gun with this trigger. |
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At about 2 seconds he gets hammer follow, this is most likely because he has pulled the trigger before the bolt carrier has closed. The hammer impacts the rear of the carrier and follows it down. Their is not enough energy left to ignite the primer and he has to charge the weapon to shoot again. This is why I don't have a S3G or SD3G in my bump gun or my home defense rifle. Here are some videos of my bump rifle, I'm using the JARD adjustable with the reset adjusted to same length as a SD3G.  |
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There a lot of good triggers available right now. Different triggers tend to lend themselves to different types of shooting. Here are the triggers I currently own: RRA NM RRA Varmint x2 - For $79 delivered these are great bang for buck. RRA has updated QC and now gets returns on ~1 in 10,000 units. JARD Adjustable x2 - These can be adjusted to a super short reset. One of mine is set to .03 and the other is set to .06 reset. The SD3G resets in .06. These have a slower lock time, so they are slightly more forgiving to pulling the trigger before the bolt is closed. JARD single stage non-adjustable - I'm not a big fan of this trigger. CMMG 2 Stage Armalite 2 stage - I haven't installed this one yet. Geisselle S2S - Precursor to the G2S - Great trigger for the money, slightly better than RRA Varmint. Geisselle SD-C - If I spent this much again I would get the SD-E for a few dollars more. Geisselle SD3G - Great for shooting fast, I have outrun the gun with this trigger. this is what I have and its awesome |
| Just so everyone is clear, I'm not saying the SD3G and S3G are bad triggers. They're exceptionally good triggers, the lock time is lower than most other triggers, which is generally desirable. But if you try to bumpfire with them, they start exhibiting problems because of the lack of timing control in semi auto AR's. This is one case where a drop in safety sear makes sense. Of course the ATF says that's a no-go even if it's not being used for full auto. |
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There really is no "best" trigger, only the trigger that the user likes best. That will depend on how the rifle is to be used and what features the user thinks most important.
This is almost like asking if blondes, brunettes, redheads or other female features are "best." Ultimately, you should try several rifles of your friends or people at the range or in carbine courses and get a "feel" (literally) for what you like. For me, on a carbine that sees double duty with multiple QD return to zero optics, including a micro dot, a medium range scope and a long range target scope, a two stage Geissele trigger made sense. I like the safety factor of two stage triggers in that they have a total pull through under stress that will not likely produce accidental discharge, but have that nice "shelf" to hold just before the second stage where you hold the trigger in place for fine tuning of the target when using a scope on small targets or for long range use. Then a little more pressure, and "bang" and an X-ring hit. If the rifle is to serve double duty, and precision is needed, then the Geissele SSA-E (my choice) makes sense. Total pull through weight is 3.5 pounds, with the second stage only 1.2 pounds. If the rifle is more geared toward combat or home defense, but the user still wants some degree of precise control when shooting targets, then the regular SSA two stage has a total pull through of 4.5 pounds and a bit heavier second stage. Even when shooting with my red dot along, the 3.5 pound total pull through of the SSA-E, like shooting under stress, is safe and the smoothness of the trigger helps me shoot better. If I had a red dot only, I'd probably go with the 4.5 pound SSA, and know that the smoothness and lighter weight compared to milspec is worth it, and that when sighting in the dot or shooting at beyond 50 yards, the better trigger will be useful. I do not think single stage light trigger target triggers or triggers with flat bows belong on rifles that are to be used for self-defense or combat/duty roles. I have single stage triggers on my bolt guns. Several different manufacturers, some as light as in the ounces, some on hunting rifles with more typical 2.5-3 pound break, but with no creep or over travel. I do not like those triggers on an AR unless it is a dedicated for long range or target use and will not be used for self defense or duty. Just one opinion. |
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My personal favorite right now is the Hiperfire 24C Competition trigger. If you are shooting for fun or competition, you can't beat the hypershoe.
If not, the I like the Hiperfire 24E Elite as an all purpose trigger, since it has a bit more creep. I have a JP Enterprises lower with the Armageddon Gear roller trigger and really like the speed and short reset... but the roller takes some getting used to. I also like the Timney 667-S, although my test indicates it is a 4# pull when it is listed as 3# pull. |
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I think I still have it narrowed down between the Timney Skeletonized single stage in 4 lb or the Geissele Super Dynamic Enhanced. Can anyone talk me out of the the one or the other? Thanks Jason I prefer the Wilson TTU simply because of the secondary sear in case the weapon is dropped. It feels almost identical to my Timney. |
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