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Posted: 12/11/2014 4:49:00 PM EDT
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was looking at getting an aero M4E1 upper with there hand guards.but the dealer only has keymod? whats up with that as want railed ones to fit grip etc. why have guards that you have to buy an adapter just to fit something? just seem like the lastest craze.
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It's a really good way to cut down on weight, while allowing you to FF.
Also, there have been "modular" handguards for years that allowed attachment of accessories while cutting weight and remaining "slick." The only problem was, there was no standardization. With keymod, you now have a standardized way to run a "slick" rail that still allows attachment of accessories from a whole list of manufacturers instead of just the one that manufactured your rail. Of course you have MLOK now too, so who knows where that's gonna go. It's like HD DVD and Blu Ray all over again. |
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There's no reason there has to be one standard. Both mlok and keymod can coexist in the AR marketplace. Quoted:
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Of course you have MLOK now too, so who knows where that's gonna go. It's like HD DVD and Blu Ray all over again. There's no reason there has to be one standard. Both mlok and keymod can coexist in the AR marketplace. While I'm sure they can, it kind of takes away from it for me. Make a standard, so that all of the major accessory manufacturers can start making shit for it. IMO, until you see a clear winner, a lot of companies aren't going to invest the time or money to engineer existing products to work with both systems just due to the fact that one of them may or may not, in the future, go the way of the dodo bird. I also think that as long as there are two, a lot of people won't switch over due to the fear that the platform they choose may not always be around. Of course, this is simply my opinion, so YMMV. |
| Modular mounting systems are way cleaner looking and lighter than the older style quad rails. My own personal observation is only a small portion of rail space is used on a quad rail, so it makes more sense adding a short rail segment or specialized adapter rather than a bunch or rail slots you'll end up investing rail covers for. |
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Modular mounting systems are way cleaner looking and lighter than the older style quad rails. My own personal observation is only a small portion of rail space is used on a quad rail, so it makes more sense adding a short rail segment or specialized adapter rather than a bunch or rail slots you'll end up investing rail covers for. |
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Quoted: if you like looking at dicks on your rail while holding your rifle, keymod may be for you.   As for Keymod and similar tube rails the whole point is running it slick with nothing on it and being lightweight. With picatinny rails you still have to by a mount for your light, bi-pod, etc. Keymod was the 1st main stream advancement in tube rails cause it uses direct attach accessories like VFGs, light mounts, etc. Kymond and similar tube rails are more ergonomic to the hand for a lot of people that prefer a circular hand guard vs a squared quad rail. 8 lbs unloaded with a red dot/magnifier  8.5 lbs unloaded with just a red dot  |
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was looking at getting an aero M4E1 upper with there hand guards.but the dealer only has keymod? whats up with that as want railed ones to fit grip etc. why have guards that you have to buy an adapter just to fit something? just seem like the lastest craze. comments please.
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Make a standard, so that all of the major accessory manufacturers can start making shit for it. They did. That's what picatinny rails are. But it's relatively heavy and bulky. Keymod and M-LOK are standards that all accessory manufacturers can "make shit for". They're just competing standards. Both are royalty-free designs that anyone can use. |
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Straight up. Im old. I like older ARs.. I like rifles over carbines. You'd think keymod is the furthest from my mind.. and you wouldnt be far off.
Went out shooting with a much younger fried of mine and he has a DD carbine with a keymod rail, aimpoint and 951 light. It was super light and fn badass. One of the best modern carbines Ive ever seen. I was sold and immediately became a fan. It's great technology... |
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The only way that i can think of that the key hole shape kinda even resembles a dick is if one were to be looking up at one from the bottom side, that's all I gonna say about it.
Why keymod? Because there's no cheese grater effect, keymod mounts and accessories are easy and fast to take on and off and very secure so long as you loctite the screw's and tighten to a reasonable degree (as you should with any screw on a firearm, IMO). Most rails (including barrel nuts) are measured in ounces not pounds and they are comfy without adding a shit load of rail covers. More and more really bad ass direct attach mounts and accessories are available every day and with these types it keeps the mounting solution Pretty damn low profile and tight to the tube to reduce snagging hazards. Lastly, my opinion only but I think m-lok looks like shit in most cases however its ok looking on some certain tubes but that's just looks, m-lok ain't for me I just don't like it. YMMV. |
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Your the guy at the gym in the changing room who looks down at other dudes dicks aren't you.
As for Keymod and similar tube rails the whole point is running it slick with nothing on it and being lightweight. With picatinny rails you still have to by a mount for your light, bi-pod, etc. Keymod was the 1st main stream advancement in tube rails cause it uses direct attach accessories like VFGs, light mounts, etc. Kymond and similar tube rails are more ergonomic to the hand for a lot of people that prefer a circular hand guard vs a squared quad rail. 8 lbs unloaded with a red dot/magnifier http://i.imgur.com/5QAJiPJ.jpg 8.5 lbs unloaded with just a red dot https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x364q90/835/s43h.jpg Quoted:
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if you like looking at dicks on your rail while holding your rifle, keymod may be for you.
Your the guy at the gym in the changing room who looks down at other dudes dicks aren't you.
As for Keymod and similar tube rails the whole point is running it slick with nothing on it and being lightweight. With picatinny rails you still have to by a mount for your light, bi-pod, etc. Keymod was the 1st main stream advancement in tube rails cause it uses direct attach accessories like VFGs, light mounts, etc. Kymond and similar tube rails are more ergonomic to the hand for a lot of people that prefer a circular hand guard vs a squared quad rail. 8 lbs unloaded with a red dot/magnifier http://i.imgur.com/5QAJiPJ.jpg 8.5 lbs unloaded with just a red dot https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x364q90/835/s43h.jpg .5lb heavier without the magnifier? 
Love my keymod though, for the length it is super light and won't fnck my hands up like a quad rail would. |
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My primary objection to Keymod is purely esthetic. It looks cheap, like it is made from left over industrial shelving parts. The attachment slots look exactly like how industrial shelves attach.
But, it is a lightweight alternative to cheeze grater quad rails with wasted rail space never to be used. A step up. An improvement. I think MLOK will eventually dominate because it is also open source and has the strong backing and accessory support of Magpul. It also appears that MLOK uses a very large, strong, barrel nut attachment system. For me, direct attachment of accessories is mostly irrelevant, as the very few accessories I use can be attached to small light mini rails placed only where needed, on the bottom, not the sides. For that reason, I chose the smooth, slim, strong Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 rail. It is proprietary and only accepts Picatinny accessories, but those are the most dominant anyway. Were I purchasing a new rail today and wanted to avoid mini rails and mount directly to the tube, I'd go with MLOK. |
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Quoted: .5lb heavier without the magnifier? Love my keymod though, for the length it is super light and won't fnck my hands up like a quad rail would. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: if you like looking at dicks on your rail while holding your rifle, keymod may be for you. Your the guy at the gym in the changing room who looks down at other dudes dicks aren't you. As for Keymod and similar tube rails the whole point is running it slick with nothing on it and being lightweight. With picatinny rails you still have to by a mount for your light, bi-pod, etc. Keymod was the 1st main stream advancement in tube rails cause it uses direct attach accessories like VFGs, light mounts, etc. Kymond and similar tube rails are more ergonomic to the hand for a lot of people that prefer a circular hand guard vs a squared quad rail. 8 lbs unloaded with a red dot/magnifier http://i.imgur.com/5QAJiPJ.jpg 8.5 lbs unloaded with just a red dot https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x364q90/835/s43h.jpg .5lb heavier without the magnifier? Love my keymod though, for the length it is super light and won't fnck my hands up like a quad rail would. Half a pound is big difference imo when you think about the mag/13" rail. |
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Quoted: My primary objection to Keymod is purely esthetic. It looks cheap, like it is made from left over industrial shelving parts. The attachment slots look exactly like how industrial shelves attach. But, it is a lightweight alternative to cheeze grater quad rails with wasted rail space never to be used. A step up. An improvement. I think MLOK will eventually dominate because it is also open source and has the strong backing and accessory support of Magpul. It also appears that MLOK uses a very large, strong, barrel nut attachment system. For me, direct attachment of accessories is mostly irrelevant, as the very few accessories I use can be attached to small light mini rails placed only where needed, on the bottom, not the sides. For that reason, I chose the smooth, slim, strong Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 rail. It is proprietary and only accepts Picatinny accessories, but those are the most dominant anyway. Were I purchasing a new rail today and wanted to avoid mini rails and mount directly to the tube, I'd go with MLOK. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds.
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At this point in time I dont see how Magpul alone beats BCM/KAC/Noveske/DD. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds. Quoted:
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My primary objection to Keymod is purely esthetic. It looks cheap, like it is made from left over industrial shelving parts. The attachment slots look exactly like how industrial shelves attach. But, it is a lightweight alternative to cheeze grater quad rails with wasted rail space never to be used. A step up. An improvement. I think MLOK will eventually dominate because it is also open source and has the strong backing and accessory support of Magpul. It also appears that MLOK uses a very large, strong, barrel nut attachment system. For me, direct attachment of accessories is mostly irrelevant, as the very few accessories I use can be attached to small light mini rails placed only where needed, on the bottom, not the sides. For that reason, I chose the smooth, slim, strong Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 rail. It is proprietary and only accepts Picatinny accessories, but those are the most dominant anyway. Were I purchasing a new rail today and wanted to avoid mini rails and mount directly to the tube, I'd go with MLOK. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds. Magpul will win. They are probably as big as the other 4 combined and are number 1in the entire market for accessories. Magpul will Mlok their entire lineup while the other guys only have a few grips and mounts each |
| Personally, I prefer KeyMod because there are tons of items available for it already. I also like the fact that when a manf. makes the same rail in both systems, KM rails are a little lighter. I could care less what the attachment holes look like...the system works and works well. |
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Quoted: Magpul will win. They are probably as big as the other 4 combined and are number 1in the entire market for accessories. Magpul will Mlok their entire lineup while the other guys only have a few grips and mounts each Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My primary objection to Keymod is purely esthetic. It looks cheap, like it is made from left over industrial shelving parts. The attachment slots look exactly like how industrial shelves attach. But, it is a lightweight alternative to cheeze grater quad rails with wasted rail space never to be used. A step up. An improvement. I think MLOK will eventually dominate because it is also open source and has the strong backing and accessory support of Magpul. It also appears that MLOK uses a very large, strong, barrel nut attachment system. For me, direct attachment of accessories is mostly irrelevant, as the very few accessories I use can be attached to small light mini rails placed only where needed, on the bottom, not the sides. For that reason, I chose the smooth, slim, strong Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 rail. It is proprietary and only accepts Picatinny accessories, but those are the most dominant anyway. Were I purchasing a new rail today and wanted to avoid mini rails and mount directly to the tube, I'd go with MLOK. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds. Magpul will win. They are probably as big as the other 4 combined and are number 1in the entire market for accessories. Magpul will Mlok their entire lineup while the other guys only have a few grips and mounts each |
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At this point in time I dont see how Magpul alone beats BCM/KAC/Noveske/DD. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds. Quoted:
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My primary objection to Keymod is purely esthetic. It looks cheap, like it is made from left over industrial shelving parts. The attachment slots look exactly like how industrial shelves attach. But, it is a lightweight alternative to cheeze grater quad rails with wasted rail space never to be used. A step up. An improvement. I think MLOK will eventually dominate because it is also open source and has the strong backing and accessory support of Magpul. It also appears that MLOK uses a very large, strong, barrel nut attachment system. For me, direct attachment of accessories is mostly irrelevant, as the very few accessories I use can be attached to small light mini rails placed only where needed, on the bottom, not the sides. For that reason, I chose the smooth, slim, strong Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 rail. It is proprietary and only accepts Picatinny accessories, but those are the most dominant anyway. Were I purchasing a new rail today and wanted to avoid mini rails and mount directly to the tube, I'd go with MLOK. 4 vs 1. Yea I like those odds. Magpul is far from alone. New MLOK rails are being introduced by many different companies. I am especially interested in what Geissele is bringing out, its MK8. This is the tip of the iceberg. No more industrial shelving. Geissele MK8 |
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It is certainly a tough call. I think it boils down to what the OP wants to mount, and does he like the looks of it?
I like the appearance of the keymod, and I have invested in the attachments for the 4 keymod hand guards that I have, so switching to MLok wouldn't be smart right now. Honestly I don't know the future of the MLok, but in time of it hangs on, I might pick up a Gieselle model. I am a fan of the Geiselle, and may pick up another KM rail while they are still available. I really like the MK5 I have and would like another. I am also a fan of quality lightweight quads and have significant investment in rail mounted parts, but am not a fan of mounting rail sections. I have quality modular HGs but mounting rail sections to them to affix a pic rail accessory is not something I like. KM direct attachment (and now ML) accesories are SO much cleaner. So, to me, aesthetically, and my current inventory make pic and KM the right choice. I don't see either the ML nor the KM not experiencing continued growth. One has an established market and the other is seeing rapid acceptance. Everybody has an idea of what they think looks best, and what they think is most functional. There is often irony in their statements of why they think the product they own is best, and the justifications they throw out are often emotional to defend their purchases. Just make the decision on what is best for you, OP. We all like different things, and that is why we come here to bash each other
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| As long as there is a US military that uses standard picatinny rails, picatinny rails ain't going anywhere. KMRs are definately an advancement, as is MLOK, so we'll see where they are going. I like picatinny and I like KMRs and don't prefer one over the other. |
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