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Posted: 3/17/2014 11:01:13 AM EDT
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Just thought I would post some pics of my newly acquired gen 2 chainsaw lower.
After months and months of waiting and searching for a non-chainsaw lower for a reasonable price, I finally became impatient and decided to take the risk of ordering a factory blemished lower. I've read threads about how "great" chainsaw lowers actually are, etc., but I think my lower is more indicative of what to expect. I bought it fully knowing what I was getting into. Not here to start a war, so if this thread upsets Noveske fans, mods please delete. First blemishes I noticed were these "dents" just above the selector lever and on a corner of the mag well. I can live with these, no problem. http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/AFF2BC01-E28A-4924-979B-3048D0931182_zpsofeecrdq.jpg http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/BC011574-C3C6-4FF5-BA23-895D165A0322_zpsnxqxtbkn.jpg http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/C7526239-0EBB-4460-8DA1-ED472BC9BDE9_zpsk7zzvngh.jpg What I don't like is the blemished area of the backstrap or where the web of your hand mates with the lower. It looks as if someone went over the area with a dremel to remove something or reshape/scrape the area by hand before the finish was applied. One big ugly spot and kind of irksome since this blemished lower was still expensive and there's really nothing I can do about it. http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/24C396B2-197B-463F-9A23-9596114728ED_zpsqyrgqlja.jpg http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/0016A1E6-D234-41DA-90D4-D06402EB2514_zpsra0muohr.jpg http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s578/digitalvegetable/43C60AD8-4AD7-49FA-9710-C83AF9C5C417_zpsqksju9bs.jpg |
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Weapons are tools. I'd be absolutely fine with any of those on any new lower. ESPECIALLY one I bought as a known blem for a lower price. While I agree...the blem's are only ~$30 cheaper. The problem is, like the OP, I wasn't able to find a non-blem in stock anywhere. OP, mine isn't as bad as yours, but I agree, throw a grip on it to cover what you can, and shoot the snot out of it! I didn't mind buying a blem because I'm going to use mine and don't care if it gets beat up. FWIW, mine has a few "bad" spots of paint, and the lettering is looks like it's all bubbled, it's weird. |
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Par for the course. I have three chainsaws (gens 1 and 2) and they all have different imperfections, some more noticeable than others. Put in some quality parts, pin a nice upper and go run it.
Or, go through the hassle of selling it and buying a new one... one that will likely get blemished unless you're going to mount it to your wall. |
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I dont see whats wrong with it. I've had new lowers that looked worse than that. They still work. With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell. 
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With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell.
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I dont see whats wrong with it. I've had new lowers that looked worse than that. They still work. With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell.
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This is true, I pick out blem lowers from batches of non blems to avoid the phone calls. Its easier to pull them and mark them down instead of dealing with the argument over if its a blem or not. |
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With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell.
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I dont see whats wrong with it. I've had new lowers that looked worse than that. They still work. With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell.
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Agreed. When I first joined the madness I played victim to the same game. I worried about my billet lower matching my billet upper etc. As I learned more and shot more I cared less about these specifics. Don't get me wrong, aesthetics are still a large part of this hobby for me (and I think those who say otherwise lie) but now I prefer a good worn rifle with spray paint peeling off. It makes it "personal." I think many people are drawn to ARs because of how they look. Newcomers maybe haven't gotten to the point of appreciating a rifle and all the flaws that make it unique. The bottom line is shoot more, look under a microscope less. |
| I think it looks great for a factory second....grip and you're good. Rifles are meant to be used and abused, unless you spend more time cleaning than shooting and looking for a safe queen. Which would be ironical, because after all, you are purchasing a factory reject. |
| I kind of laugh at you guys that say appearance doesn't matter. Yes it is a tool, but so is car. If I go outside and key your bmw would you just think "it's a tool" ? Car in front of you kicks up a stone scrapes the hood. Oh just a tool. No because if you get something you want to attempt to keep it nice. I have a bunch of $40 gpi lowers that I still didn't go out of my way to mess up. It happened. I didn't cry about it, but i didnt try and tell myself it looks better that way. Hoping your rifle looks nice is noworse than the idiots who try and scrape off their spray paint to make it look "tier one". |
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I kind of laugh at you guys that say appearance doesn't matter. Yes it is a tool, but so is car. If I go outside and key your bmw would you just think "it's a tool" ? Car in front of you kicks up a stone scrapes the hood. Oh just a tool. No because if you get something you want to attempt to keep it nice. I have a bunch of $40 gpi lowers that I still didn't go out of my way to mess up. It happened. I didn't cry about it, but i didnt try and tell myself it looks better that way. Hoping your rifle looks nice is noworse than the idiots who try and scrape off their spray paint to make it look "tier one". Well, if BMW offered "blems" at 10-20% discounts then this would be an interesting analogy. |
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With the influx of new ar15 enthusiasts in 2013, a new generation of safe queeners and picture takers (no accusations in this thread, just a generalization) has been born. These people are used to blued actions, with polished barrels, and flawless walnut stocks.... this is their first foray into mass produced cheap forged parts made as a utilitarian weapon system. "Parkerized" is a bad word. For them, it is more of a show piece, art, and craftsmanship. They speak of things like cerakote, billet, matching colors, and how things look, over how things function. They are even willing to pay for it, as evidenced by anyone that would pay retail for a Noveske lower that does the same things a $50 forged lower does. They build two weapons, one to shoot, and one to behold, and pass around to their friends at parties. The market has responded. Many companies have increased quality control inspection criteria, as selling these lowers with minor imperfections, will just cost them more in the long run from the phone calls of impatient newbies wanting to return their three consecutive serial numbered lower receivers because one of them has a slight spec of aluminum showing inside the magwell.
...snip Totally agree. God bless all you guys that make BCM, Noveske, etc. sell "blem" lowers at a discount. You've saved me a bunch of money. 
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Well, if BMW offered "blems" at 10-20% discounts then this would be an interesting analogy. It might even be relevant
People always grasp at the car analogy except most people don't consider their cars as tools. The people who do consider them as tools treat them accordingly.....think company cars and farm trucks. If you want to make a valid comparison, try comparing it to an actual tool. I could care less if my hammer, shovel, drill, AR, or Glock get scratches and dings in them. Especially if I buy them on sale as blemished components. |
| Magpul grip will cover that up. If you don't like it, take some 80-120 grit sandpaper and sand the blemishes down and repaint it. I have a Noveske blem FFL lower, and blem Noveske MUR upper and both of them are near flawless. If I got your lower would I be a little disappointed? Maybe, but I have already dinged my lower up a little and its going to be used for hunting so I don't expect it to stay pretty being out in the outdoors. I would be perfectly fine with that lower, it would help me make the decision to paint it. I want to paint mine but they look so good I really don't want to. |
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It is a blemished lower. By definition it is not supposed to be cosmetically perfect. It just needs to function correctly. Quoted:
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My guess is you paid way too much for the name and now as disappointed as I would be! It is a blemished lower. By definition it is not supposed to be cosmetically perfect. It just needs to function correctly. +1. OP, build and shoot that rifle. If it bothers you that much, buy a NON-BLEM lower and build yourself a safe queen |
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Just thought I would post some pics of my newly acquired gen 2 chainsaw lower. That's honestly fine even for a non-blem lower if you're talking about forged lowers. You have extremely unrealistic expectations. If they're selling that as blemished, then they're just being picky. You're going to find a lot of Colt's, LMT's, etc, that look way worse than that. |
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That's honestly fine even for a non-blem lower if you're talking about forged lowers. You have extremely unrealistic expectations. If they're selling that as blemished, then they're just being picky. You're going to find a lot of Colt's, LMT's, etc, that look way worse than that. Quoted:
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Just thought I would post some pics of my newly acquired gen 2 chainsaw lower. That's honestly fine even for a non-blem lower if you're talking about forged lowers. You have extremely unrealistic expectations. If they're selling that as blemished, then they're just being picky. You're going to find a lot of Colt's, LMT's, etc, that look way worse than that. Yup, if you want a collector piece, blemish isn't the way to go. I have yet to handle any AR15 where I couldn't find a blemish of some form somewhere. |
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