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Posted: 7/6/2011 7:14:36 AM EDT
| My trigger on a stock CMMG is pretty gritty and heavy. I am looking at Williams Triggers or one the replacement expensive drop ins. Any suggestions?, rifle is used for fun shooting and coyote hunting. |
Spend the money and get a good aftermarket trigger. Almost anything will be better than the stock trigger. Really comes down to preference and I'll say Geissele triggers will be hard to beat. They are a bit pricey but it's just paper.  I have 2 "G" 3 gun triggers. Little too light for a duty weapon but it's great on my play guns. Maybe look into the SSA-E for playing and killing yotes. If you can try to finger bang some weapons with aftermarket triggers and get an idea what you like. Sometimes not an option
edit: the 15 minute trigger job is like putting a bandade on a cut that needs stitches. Might slow down bleeding but you will need further professional assistance. My opinion and I've ran home trigger jobs in my AR's for years, still do on some lowers. |
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Sorry if this is a threadjack.
Since Geissele seems to be the auto-pilot answer for most, can somebody explain to me how my S3G is better than my AR Gold? My AR Gold has a much shorter pull and reset and feels much smoother overall. I've read a lot of online chatter on how the Geissele is so much better than mostly all the triggers out there. I finally decided to see what all the hype was about and got the Geissele S3G and I am a little underwhelmed. I spent nearly as much for the Geissele as I did on the AR Gold and I still think the AR Gold was the better value. I know everyone has their own personal preferences but I need some convincing that the Geissele is better or even comparable to the AR Gold. |
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...I need some convincing that the Geissele is better or even comparable to the AR Gold. Why? If you've tried the S3G and the AR Gold and you prefer the latter, why do you want somebody to convince you that's not the better choice for you? My preference is for a two stage, and the DMR is much more to my liking than the S3G. The two stage Wilson TTU is a very nice unit as well. And for the money the SSA is hard to beat - although I think the RRA-Killer S2S will be shipping momentarily. |
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...I need some convincing that the Geissele is better or even comparable to the AR Gold. Why? If you've tried the S3G and the AR Gold and you prefer the latter, why do you want somebody to convince you that's not the better choice for you? My preference is for a two stage, and the DMR is much more to my liking than the S3G. The two stage Wilson TTU is a very nice unit as well. And for the money the SSA is hard to beat - although I think the RRA-Killer S2S will be shipping momentarily. Because I spent money for a premium trigger and I don't feel like I got my money's worth with the S3G. As expensive as it is, I feel like I got my money's worth from the AR Gold. |
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...I need some convincing that the Geissele is better or even comparable to the AR Gold. Why? If you've tried the S3G and the AR Gold and you prefer the latter, why do you want somebody to convince you that's not the better choice for you? My preference is for a two stage, and the DMR is much more to my liking than the S3G. The two stage Wilson TTU is a very nice unit as well. And for the money the SSA is hard to beat - although I think the RRA-Killer S2S will be shipping momentarily. Because I spent money for a premium trigger and I don't feel like I got my money's worth with the S3G. As expensive as it is, I feel like I got my money's worth from the AR Gold. Sell the S3G; other people like them and will buy it. |
| In all honesty thinking about it more OP I have to say triggers come down to user preference. I know some who like a real hard trigger while others like a lighter. If you have the money I would try out multiple triggers. If you don't though go with the SSA. It's in my opinion the perfect 2 stage trigger. |
| Geiselle sucks imo, they break heavier than advertised, not self contained and expensive. I've tried the SSA, 3gun and another I think was the DMR. None of them were as nice as my Timney single stage 3lb drop in that was $170. I would recommend Timney over anything including the current fan favorite kool aid Geiselle. |
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Geiselle sucks imo, they break heavier than advertised, not self contained and expensive. I've tried the SSA, 3gun and another I think was the DMR. None of them were as nice as my Timney single stage 3lb drop in that was $170. I would recommend Timney over anything including the current fan favorite kool aid Geiselle. I'm feeling the same way right now, but I'm spendy so I prefer the AR Gold. I probably should have tried the Timney as my 2nd trigger. Btw, how reliable is the Timney with mil-spec ammo? The trigger group sticky thread indicates it might be picky. |
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Geiselle sucks imo, they break heavier than advertised, not self contained and expensive. I've tried the SSA, 3gun and another I think was the DMR. None of them were as nice as my Timney single stage 3lb drop in that was $170. I would recommend Timney over anything including the current fan favorite kool aid Geiselle. Just curious, how far off was the break weight than advertised? You did use a trigger scale? Also, the stock AR-15/M-16 trigger is not "self contained", never thought that was a problem. And you like the drop in Timney better than and adjusted DMR trigger... well ok. |
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I've had two stock triggers that I sent to Bill Springfield and I couldn't be happier with the results. Great great triggers now!!
ETA: If you have a self contained trigger and a primer falls into the trigger, it's a bitch to get out. Not a big deal at the range, but not good on a two way range. If you have a stock trigger, or a normally configured trigger, it's a whole lot easier to get it up and running again. |
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I've had two stock triggers that I sent to Bill Springfield and I couldn't be happier with the results. Great great triggers now!! ETA: If you have a self contained trigger and a primer falls into the trigger, it's a bitch to get out. Not a big deal at the range, but not good on a two way range. If you have a stock trigger, or a normally configured trigger, it's a whole lot easier to get it up and running again. I had MUCH different results. Sent in a FCG for a 4# and what I have is a fairly crisp 7# trigger. I sold a fellow ARFCOMer 4 sets of FCGs which he had me send to Mr. Springfield. The 3 4# trigger jobs he got are like mine, 7#. I suppose the good news is that his 2.5# is 4#,lol. Bill |
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Timney is a joke compared to Geissele....sounds like a few folks in this thread are butthurt. Self contained triggers are made for newbs btw! I didn't realize having a different opinion would garner immaturity and insults. My opinion is based on the triggers alone. I get that self-contained and non self-contained triggers have their strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, as much as I want to like the Geissele S3G I am pretty disappointed so far when I compare it to the AR Gold. The overall pull is longer and so is the reset. Additionally the pull weight is heavier. I was also hoping for it to be at least as smooth as the AR Gold and it was not. Other people who have reviewed the S3G do note that the reset is much more perceptible than the AR Gold and with that I do agree. However, it's not worth the premium price tag overall. I will continue to evaluate the S3G trigger over the coming months before I decide I want something else. *I'll admit that I have no experience with Timney triggers so giving it a favorable preference was only related to my disappointment in the Geissele S3G. |
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I just installed a Geiselle SSA E and couldn't be happier. Easy to install unless you are really a knuckle dragger, smooth immediately with a nice short stage one and very clean break.
Total adv. pull is about 3.5 lbs total with the second stage at 1.3. It suits me fine but I could understand wanting a little heavier pull for tactical work. I can't compare it to anything else but don't need to. It is perfectly in line with what I wanted. |
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