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Posted: 9/19/2009 1:56:46 PM EDT
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I've been reading alot of reviews of the SCAR lately and every last one of them claim it's easily capable of 1MOA and in some instances 1/2 MOA.
Now, I understand it has a free floating barrel but how it this rifle capable of this!? I mean, it doesn't have a match barrel and the ammo these reviews said they used to get their claimed 1MOA wasn't match either. I just find it hard to beleive that a piston rifle without a match barrel, firing non-match grade ammo can get 1/2 or 1 MOA. Unless the barrel is much more special and advanced than I think it is... Am I the only one that thinks this? |
| I have a copy of Guns & Ammo where one of the writer's comments on the fact that a number of items they do reviews on aren't 100% clear. FN makes one hell of a weapon, that's clear, but how many weapons were used and how many of them produced this accuracy consistantly? Also is this a matter of putting the weapon in a vise that uses controlled air pressure to depress the trigger or is this in the hands of a capable test shooter? A claim that a rifle "makes .25-1MOA" is great, but there should be more information than just that to give a cleardescription of the weapons abilities. I'll look for that article and see if I can post it here for you. |
| I know this is a stale thread, almost 60 days, but thought I should share this insight. Accuracy of earlier weapons tested by SOCOM was marginal, but within tolerance, and may have been colored by higher-than-realistic expectations (snipers expect gnat's behind accuracy). However, reports from the folks testing the weapons where the rubber meets the road seems to indicate that the problem is fixed. I don't have data, but what I was told by first-line leaders who test-fired here a couple of weeks back was that accuracy was pretty good. |
| From the bench my SCAR is consistently capable of 1.5" to 1.75" MOA with Lake City SS109 and that’s with an Aimpoint (no magnification) on a paper plate at 100 YDS. This past weekend I picked up a box of Black Hills 68 Gr. Match HP (Red Box) just to see how well my SCAR could perform with good ammo. I was able to consistently produce .75" groups @ 100 YDS (5 shot groups) with only an Aimpoint. Granted, I took my time but regardless that's not too shabby for a battle rifle. |
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Here is the link to David Fortier's article on SCAR accuracy...
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/RS_scarpower_200910/index.html |
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I've been reading alot of reviews of the SCAR lately and every last one of them claim it's easily capable of 1MOA and in some instances 1/2 MOA. Now, I understand it has a free floating barrel but how it this rifle capable of this!? I mean, it doesn't have a match barrel and the ammo these reviews said they used to get their claimed 1MOA wasn't match either. I just find it hard to beleive that a piston rifle without a match barrel, firing non-match grade ammo can get 1/2 or 1 MOA. Unless the barrel is much more special and advanced than I think it is... Am I the only one that thinks this? I find it hard to believe it also, never trust any of those magazines. According to those "magazines" the DPMS SASS shoots .5 MOA with match ammo. Mine shot 2.5-3.0 MOA with Federal Match grade ammo. Maybe if it were in a vice... BTW the only AR's that lived up to accuracy boasts in my experience are KAC and Noveske. Both have match grade barrels. |
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From the bench my SCAR is consistently capable of 1.5" to 1.75" MOA with Lake City SS109 and that’s with an Aimpoint (no magnification) on a paper plate at 100 YDS. http://www.box.net/shared/static/rjp74ldmzj.jpg courtesy of Zhukov I'm not sure what the test rifle was for this chart (weapon type, barrel length, barrel twist rate, round count on test rifle, bench rest or gun vise, etc.....etc....) but according to this particular chart, generally speaking, my SCAR is an above average shooter with this ammo. Charts are OK for "general purpose info" but I never just "assume" how my particular weapon will perform based on someone's chart, regardless of who produced the chart. I conduct my own tests to find results for different ammo types in my personally owned weapons. As we all know, you can line up 10 rifles of the same type and manufacturer and not all of them are going to shoot the same. I will say this, my Knights SR-15 E3 is pretty close to my SCAR with this same ammo but none of my other AR's shoot as accurately with this ammo. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: From the bench my SCAR is consistently capable of 1.5" to 1.75" MOA with Lake City SS109 and that’s with an Aimpoint (no magnification) on a paper plate at 100 YDS. http://www.box.net/shared/static/rjp74ldmzj.jpg courtesy of Zhukov I'm not sure what the test rifle was for this chart (weapon type, barrel length, barrel twist rate, round count on test rifle, bench rest or gun vise, etc.....etc....) but according to this particular chart, generally speaking, my SCAR is an above average shooter with this ammo. Charts are OK for "general purpose info" but I never just "assume" how my particular weapon will perform based on someone's chart, regardless of who produced the chart. I conduct my own tests to find results for different ammo types in my personally owned weapons. As we all know, you can line up 10 rifles of the same type and manufacturer and not all of them are going to shoot the same. I will say this, my Knights SR-15 E3 is pretty close to my SCAR with this same ammo but none of my other AR's shoot as accurately with this ammo. He's referring to the accuracy potential of the ammo itself, probably fired from a test barrel locked down to something solid. |
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I've been reading alot of reviews of the SCAR lately and every last one of them claim it's easily capable of 1MOA and in some instances 1/2 MOA. Now, I understand it has a free floating barrel but how it this rifle capable of this!? I mean, it doesn't have a match barrel and the ammo these reviews said they used to get their claimed 1MOA wasn't match either. I just find it hard to beleive that a piston rifle without a match barrel, firing non-match grade ammo can get 1/2 or 1 MOA. Unless the barrel is much more special and advanced than I think it is... Am I the only one that thinks this? Maybe if it were in a vice... Shooting from a device like a ransom rifle master will show you the rifle's potential, otherwise the limiting factor will be the shooter. |
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