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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:10:06 PM EDT
| Does anyone know if the 14.5" Cold Hammer Forged Barrel, 1 in 7" twist, 5.56mm with heavy M249 Chrome Lining that Noveske uses is available anyplace else? |
| Three places I know of using cold hammer forged barrels. KAC, Noveske and LWRC. None of them sell barrels seperately that I know of. LWRC and Noveske sell uppers seperately. One last option which has been mentioned is MSTN's custom uppers, he is the only custom builder who offers Noveske N4 barrels as an option. |
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Yeah, that's kind of what I was finding and why I put the question out here to you guys that see / have seen way more than I'll ever come across. I'm looking to do a spare upper and build it myself with specific parts but might just have to break down and shell out thecextra cash for someone else to put together exactly what I'm looking for. Kind of sucks. 
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I feel your pain, though I think I finally settled on the new FSR N4 upper. 
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The whole problem revolves around the pinned muzzle device, thats what keeps throwing me for a loop. I really want one with a rifle length URX... I need this setup on a N4.  
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What I was looking for was to be able to build up my own upper. I have a pile of parts already and was just wanted a particular style barrel is all. It's not that it is serving a particular purpose beside the fact of having a spare / different configuration upper for my SR15 lower. I should just skip the complication of the specific barrel and pick up the Noveske 14.5" Afghan barrel, coat it black and get on with the project. |
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Marvin's nuts man, he is like the mad scientist with a lathe or something. I've never seen anything he's done where I wasnt thinking to myself, "wow, check that out". Cool. Nothing against you KAC-SR15, because I've no idea of your capabilities. But, as I understand it, what you want to do is exactly why Noveske wont sell their N4 barrels seperate. He didnt want his barrel to go on some guys cast upper with Chinese rail and bargain bin bolt group etc. Again, please understand Im not saying thats what you would do. But you know someone would. Just trying to point out the reason he wont sell N4 barrels seperate. |
Holy crap that is almost exactly what I wanted to do. Though I think I'm going to go with a rifle length URX with a KAC flip up front sight. So whats the down low on Marvin, does he have is own shop, does he work for someone special? So basic plan right now is 14.5" N4, rifle length URX, maybe a KAC gas block if I can manage to find one, pinned AAC blackout, the low profile KAC front buis, and the 200-600m rear sight, and then a T1 on a Larue mount, teehee. Was Marvin the one making those awesome KAC rail covers? Btw, how does the rifle balance with the UBR on there? |
No offense taken. I'm not looking to cheat the system, just find a particular spec barrel. That is why I came to this forum to ask the question on where else I could find a barrel with those specs. I wasn't looking to buy one of theirs directly as like everyone knows they just don't sell them seperatly. As for quality I am sure there are some folks out there that would go and buy the cheapest POS parts just to screw a quality barrel to complete a project. That is not the way I do things, plan builds or buy complete pieces. I figure if I am going to do something, spend the money and do it right the first time. This particular project consists of just trying to complete a top quality upper (to accompany my SR15) with existing parts without having to respend more money on items I already have or pay someone else to so something I can do when home on vacation next. Really simple for the most part. Planning, buying, and building projects from half way around the world can be a real pain in the ass. I keep ordering stuff and the wife piles it in the closet. That's why I visit this site usually on a daily basis to scroll thru the endless amounts of threads & posts taking direction from other peoples experiences. It helps save time and hopefully money by making purchases once. |
Genius with the lathe is exacly right. The attention to detail is remarkable. Marvin can get you nearly anything KAC and does have his own shop, Nefarious Arms. The rifle balances well but it is even mo' better wth the SF 556K can. You can see the SF flash hider in the pics but I didn't get my paperwork back for the can when the pic was taken so it was still at the dealer.    |
So, again why does Noveske sell their more accurate stainless barrels but not the N4? Why do they allow their name to be associated with customer builds using the polygonal stainless barrels but not the chrome lined N4? As far as "cheap parts" I already have a new Larue 10.0 rail and upper reciever. I know how to spin a wrench. I really don't get the "assembling an AR15 is akin to building a rocket" mentality that some dealers attempt to mystify the unwary with- there is not that much to it- really... |
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Call Noveske and ask. If I were to venture a guess, maybe its because there's lots of people selling stainless barrels out there, but no one else is selling a barrel like the N4. No one else even has a barrel like the N4. So maybe he's keeping that design to his own high quality builds... and trusting MSTN to do the same. Few people claim building uppers is rocket science, I agree that it is not. Having said that, there are some better methods than others to do it. My understanding, however, is not that he is worried about people assembling them wrong (although that may indeed be a concern with some people), but that they will use inferior quality parts. Your LaRue rail is indeed a great start, but the rail is not a truley critical part of the build. Uppers, and, specifically bolt groups are far more critical to the quality of an upper than which rail you may use. Lots of room to build a poorly made upper while still using a good rail and barrel. I see it all the time where I work. Had a guy come in and buy a Vltor billet upper, only to use a DPMS barrel and bolt group. He did use a nice rail, but the truth is some people just dont "get it". Maybe you do, I would not know. But the fact there's so many people who dont is reason enough not to sell it seperate, at least in Noveske's eyes. This theme or idea is not new to Noveske, different companies in different ways have employed this practice for decades to protect the integrity of their product line. Many variables are debatable, one thing which is not is the level of quality associated with Noveske's products, and his barrels in specific. If one wants to use that barrel, they will buy it from Noveske (or MSTN) in the form of a complete upper. If using that barrel is not critical to you, there's lots of other barrels you can choose from. |
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I get it, that's not the problem. I just like doing things myself at times and was looking to have myself all set up with a nice project for my next vacation home in December. Spending the long dollar isn't an issue either so long as I am happy with the product, meets my needs and more importantly my expectations. I guess I should just settle and buy a complete upper direct Noveske and get it over with.  Thanks guys. |
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