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Posted: 7/28/2008 8:44:01 PM EDT
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I am new here and I am sure someone has asked this before but I have a colt upper and I obviously needing a lower. I will say that I know very little about the black rifle but a good friend of mine is combat arms in the USAF so he is going to put it together for me. I am not limited on price so much as I want to have a nice rifle. I am looking for a complete lower to keep things simple. I am open to other options from getting the complete lower but I would ask for a parts list and perhaps links to the best places to get stuff from. I know that I am asking for a bunch of help but I figure the worst that you all can do is tell me to "Go kick rocks" Also, I do have access to an FFL so that stigma is out of the way. |
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I prefer Mega, but in all reality, there are only a few lower manufacturers out there. They just put several different names on em. Colt Lmt Mega Sun Devil and a few more are all nice. Keep in mind that the lower really doesn't do much, it's a low stress piece of metal. It holds mags, and the trigger, and that's about it. The upper is what makes a rifle accurate and reliable (with the exception of out of spec mag wells on some lowers) |
You may wanna google "CCTs" and "pararescue" |
http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/jobs/Training-Specialist-Combat-Arms-1098828.html But hey, I'm the asshole right... |
| what about the lower parts kit, what makes one so much better than the other, rock river vs. dpms etc. I found a place that I can order a sun devil with my specified furniture. but I was just curious. I am actually just leaning towards getting the LMT made lower kit from Talon Arms. |
| You won't need to worry about an LPK if you buy a complete lower, unless you're just looking to have a spare kit on hand. I've been using Colt parts exclusively in my own lowers, but I put together my own kits because I don't use a lot of the parts that come in a standard LPK. I don't have any experience with the Rock River or DPMS kits, but a lot of members here use them with no problems. |
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You mean they all come with cracked and broken parts, like the LPK I bought from Rock River a few years back?  I'm with getting all Colt pieces; or as many as I can find as milsurp at gun shows. I look for M16 hammers and disconnectors, grind off the extensions that make them illegal, and use them knowing that I actually have "milspec" parts that won't screwme up at the range. BTW, the one DPMS piece I do have, is nothing more or less than an M16A2 hammer with the tail ground off. The only thing wrong with DPMS hammers and triggers is that they need to have the contact surfaces polished smooth. But then so does every other commercial hammer and trigger I've seen. Another reason why I look for Colt milsurp pieces. 
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Only you can decide that for yourself, killer. Personally, it's less cost for me to choose a stripped lower that I like & order the parts kits that I like. Install the parts & I've built something that I can track as far as how it was put together so if there are any problems I know it's prolly because I screwed something up. Hasn't happened yet but putting a lower together is way too easy anyway. Complete lowers from certain be all end all brands will cost you a lot. I don't see a reason to buy a complete lower anymore but that's just me. You're limiting your options when you buy a complete lower as well since there are fewer companies that sell complete vs. stripped lower sales-which are just about anyone who makes them minus a couple of exceptions. |
Nothing like assembling your own stuff to get a better understanding of how it works. You also get to pick and choose the components you want. Lowers are easy to put together. |
What? Bravo makes a LPK? They sell DPMS on their site... www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Lower-Parts-Kit-p/lpk%20-%20semi.htm And since when did LMT make one??? Unless you mean a pre-assembled lower. |
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Well thanks for all the response, The next question I have is What all do I need to get o complete my lower if I decide to build it? Stripped lower from company x (billet I presume) LPK, stock and grip of choice and ? Like I said I am a total NOOB to this stuff and as stated above it will not be me putting this together. I have a 16" colt upper that I am going to free float with MI, Daniel or Samson, haven't really decided. Slap some Troy BUIS on there and the upper is complete. I will be need a BCG as well and there are plenty of threads on that so I am sure that will end up being LMT. Again thanks for all your help thus far and I look forward to seeing some more soon. |
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You won't need a grip unless you don't like the A2 pistol grip, which comes in the LPK. If you get a complete stock kit you're set, otherwise you're gonna need a receiver extension, castle nut, and receiver end plate. You're also gonna need an action spring and a buffer. Honestly, it would be much easier to just buy a complete lower with a stock since you aren't planning on building the lower yourself. |
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