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8/29/2007 10:55:08 PM EDT
So i figured out how to get a Fixed stock off of an AR15.  I went out got a REALLY  BIG flat head screw Driver and the damn top screw on the back of the stock wont turn loose for me.  and yes iam turning it the right way counter clockwise right.  So what the hell is the problem here???  Frustration is a bummer and i dont want to damage the head of the screw in the stock
8/29/2007 10:59:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Perhaps the screw is held with red loctite.  Try some heat?
8/29/2007 11:03:24 PM EDT
[#2]
How would i heat that up?  I dont understand why the damn thing just wont unscrew.
8/29/2007 11:06:37 PM EDT
[#3]
You could use a heat gun, if you can get access to one...torch works too.

Also try some penetrating oil.

What brand is this?
8/29/2007 11:07:28 PM EDT
[#4]
and i just heat the end of the head of the screw?
8/29/2007 11:08:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Yup, being a solid metal screw it should conduct the heat throughout itself, and then to the loctite if there is some.
8/29/2007 11:12:23 PM EDT
[#6]
So is that shit common to have in a fixed stock?  and if that stuff is in there then theres no chance of me gettin that screw loose with a screw driver huh... I feel like a DAMN idiot
8/29/2007 11:16:16 PM EDT
[#7]
It's not common, but I can't think of another reason you wouldn't be able to get it out.

What brand is this?  Maybe try some penetrating oil for a while first before you go to heat.
8/29/2007 11:18:31 PM EDT
[#8]
its a Bushmaster model is XM15 E2
8/29/2007 11:21:40 PM EDT
[#9]
I don't know what kind of screw driver you are using but maybe you could try one with a larger/thicker handle.  If you have those skinny narrow ones it makes it hard to get a good grip that you need to take out the screw.  I had to borrow my father's cause mine had a shitty handle that was too thin.
8/29/2007 11:29:32 PM EDT
[#10]
i just went out and spent like 15 $ on the best biggest screw driver i can get and its still giving me big problems
8/29/2007 11:36:18 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
and i just heat the end of the head of the screw?


I'd try a couple of things.

First of all, you should have a few 90+ degree days left up there in NY.  I'd pick one, or two of those days, and set the weapon outside in the direct sunlight in the hottest part of the day for a couple of hours.  If all is black, it should get very hot to the touch after being out there for a couple of hours, hotter than I think you'll be able to achieve with a heat gun.  Then, I'd give it another go with the screwdriver.  One thing I found out with buttstock screws, is to make sure the blade of the screwdriver fits the screw slot just right.  The bigger the better, as long as it fills the slot completely in the screw head with NO slop.

If that doesn't work, I'd call loctite, and find out what solvent will "cut" the loctite.  It may be printed on the package for all I know.  Once you have them on the phone, ask them if this solvent can damage other materials (plastics, etc).  If all that info proves GTG, I'd squirt some of the solvent around the outside of the screw, and give it time to "wick" itself down to and thru the threads.  Then when it's not pooled up around the screw, I'd squirt some more, and let it wick itself some more.  I'd stand the weapon on its muzzle for this method, and let gravity help do the work.  If you can't find a solvent particular for this, then I'd try the penetrating oil, using the same procedure.

Good luck, and hope some of this is helpful.
8/29/2007 11:47:17 PM EDT
[#12]
Try a screwdriver bit on a socket wrench. Maybe add a cheater bar. It'll come off with enough torque whether you heat it or not.
8/29/2007 11:48:38 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
its a Bushmaster model is XM15 E2


My Bushmaster with A2 had red locktite.

Torque that bitch.
8/29/2007 11:50:33 PM EDT
[#14]
I like the leaving it outside idea... reason for me wanting it off is because i will be moving to FL in March and i want to put an adjustible on it.  also if all comes to worse can i just have a gun smith take it off for me?
8/29/2007 11:54:17 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
can i just have a gun smith take it off for me?


Sure, but he doesn't really have access to methods beyond yours.  If you have a gunsmith you like you should ask him if he's run in to this.  I'd try all the suggestions in the thread too
8/30/2007 12:27:20 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I like the leaving it outside idea... reason for me wanting it off is because i will be moving to FL in March and i want to put an adjustible on it.  also if all comes to worse can i just have a gun smith take it off for me?



If you are ditching it because you are moving to a free state then just whack the damn thing in half with a sawzall....You are going to need a new buffer tube anyhow....have fun and celebrate a little.

8/30/2007 12:37:40 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I like the leaving it outside idea... reason for me wanting it off is because i will be moving to FL in March and i want to put an adjustible on it.  also if all comes to worse can i just have a gun smith take it off for me?



If you are ditching it because you are moving to a free state then just whack the damn thing in half with a sawzall....You are going to need a new buffer tube anyhow....have fun and celebrate a little.



i'll keep that in mind when i get down there!
8/30/2007 12:45:57 AM EDT
[#18]
HELL F....N YEA!!!! I got that little POS! just took an old bandana wrapped it around the screw driver, pushed down hard and turned as hard as i could... lossend right UP!  Thanks for the help guys!
8/30/2007 2:14:33 AM EDT
[#19]
great job.
8/30/2007 3:18:30 AM EDT
[#20]
Hell yea... man you were right just TORQUE that BITCH!
8/30/2007 4:18:47 AM EDT
[#21]
A tip to perhaps help others with loctited screws.  Take a metal rod, can be a screw, bolt, nail etc, and heat it red hot with a propane torch while holding the rod with a pair of pliers, then touch the red hot rod on the head of the screw for a few seconds.  The screw should then easily come out.
8/31/2007 4:52:50 AM EDT
[#22]
An old fashioned soldering iron, without the solder, works the best. Apply the heat directly, right where you want it. Red loctite take a minimum of 5-600 degrees to break loose. I'm staying away from any place that the sun gets that hot.
8/31/2007 10:17:26 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
I'm staying away from any place that the sun gets that hot.
+1
8/31/2007 3:43:20 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
An old fashioned soldering iron, without the solder, works the best. Apply the heat directly, right where you want it. Red loctite take a minimum of 5-600 degrees to break loose. I'm staying away from any place that the sun gets that hot.


+1, and in response to something else posted above - no weapon sitting out in the sun (unless fired through some mag dumps) will get hotter than the typical ~ 1200F heat gun can get it.  Sheesh!

At any rate, the heat gun is a bad idea for blasting that part of the stock, and would most definitely melt/burn something up before the screw broke loose.
8/31/2007 7:44:11 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Try a screwdriver bit on a socket wrench. Maybe add a cheater bar. It'll come off with enough torque whether you heat it or not.


Bingo!!!

That's what i had to do.

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