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3/27/2007 8:36:09 PM EDT
Sorry if this seems really stupid but...
I've noticed that there are quite a few pics of various AR's that appear to be full auto--my question is how is this possible??? Either you need to be LE/Military or a class III dealer--or made prior to 1986----right??? or no???
3/27/2007 8:44:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Nothing stops you from owning a gun that LOOKS class 3 and has the markings

ETA-The full auto lower receiver needs to have been registered before 1986. You can put whatever else on top of it then.

-Foxxz
3/27/2007 8:45:27 PM EDT
[#2]
ahhhh----thanks
3/27/2007 8:49:36 PM EDT
[#3]
What do you mean by "looks" full auto?
3/28/2007 5:30:25 AM EDT
[#4]
The selector has three positions OR in the "in action" section there's a stream of brass falling through the air in some of the pics
3/28/2007 5:44:25 AM EDT
[#5]
lots of people own full auto here.  Its legal, and this is a gun board.
3/28/2007 6:06:43 AM EDT
[#6]
You will find a lot of usefull information here:

LW

3/28/2007 7:36:09 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
The selector has three positions OR in the "in action" section there's a stream of brass falling through the air in some of the pics


Yep, thats full auto.
Lots of people own them.
3/28/2007 9:38:40 PM EDT
[#8]
Vinney, Your from Wisconsin. They won't let you carry a handgun concealed, BUT you have a wide variety a machineguns that you can legally own. Just need to do the legal paperwork and have plenty of $ in the checkbook.
3/30/2007 11:15:37 AM EDT
[#9]
So riddle me this, is it possible to build a full-auto AR from new parts? or do you need to asseble the lower, BCG from a M16 made prior to 1986? Thats my main question, I know people can own CLSIII's but I thought the weapon needed to be pre 86'. CUZ I'D be ALL for IT
3/30/2007 11:18:10 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
So riddle me this, is it possible to build a full-auto AR from new parts? or do you need to asseble the lower, BCG from a M16 made prior to 1986? Thats my main question, I know people can own CLSIII's but I thought the weapon needed to be pre 86'. CUZ I'D be ALL for IT


Firstly, don't use class III, its confusing and misleading.
The proper term is a Title II or NFA weapon.
Any machine gun owned by a regular citizen must have been registered as a machine gun prior to May 19, 1986.
Expect to pay at least $10,000 for a full auto AR15, up to $20,000 for a factory Colt M16A2.

There are lots of post-1986 machine guns out there, but they are all owned by Special Occupancy Taxpayers (SOT) who are NFA dealers.
3/30/2007 11:38:48 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
So riddle me this, is it possible to build a full-auto AR from new parts? or do you need to asseble the lower, BCG from a M16 made prior to 1986? Thats my main question, I know people can own CLSIII's but I thought the weapon needed to be pre 86'. CUZ I'D be ALL for IT


NO, unless you are an SOT.

Joe citizen can not build a full auto AR. Don't even think about it, unless you have a desire to go to prison.
As far as ARFCOM goes, don't even ask how could it be done, ie.. how can I make my AR full auto?

You have two choices, pay big bucks, and go through all the legal paper work, or be a classIII dealer with SOT.

ETA-CUZ I'D be ALL for IT.

So would evryone here, if it were legal.
3/30/2007 12:00:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Isn't it possible to buy a brand new bushy off the shelf and put in a RDIAS (if you can find one that is available to buy for 12K and do the proper paperwork)?

I guess that would be considered a "new" full auto.
3/30/2007 12:02:37 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Isn't it possible to buy a brand new bushy off the shelf and put in a RDIAS (if you can find one that is available to buy for 12K and do the proper paperwork)?

I guess that would be considered a "new" full auto.


Yes, that is possible.
The RDIAS is the machine gun, not the weapon it resides in.
3/30/2007 12:09:14 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Isn't it possible to buy a brand new bushy off the shelf and put in a RDIAS (if you can find one that is available to buy for 12K and do the proper paperwork)?

I guess that would be considered a "new" full auto.


As far as I know, yes.

But you still have to pay the big bucks for the RDIAS, and do the legal paper work, plus pay the $200 tax.

They used to advertise those, and LLs in the shotgun news. You can't purchase one through the mail, drop it in, and be legal.

You always have to do the paper work. There is no cheap and easy way around it.

3/31/2007 6:39:41 PM EDT
[#15]
Check
4/1/2007 8:04:54 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Isn't it possible to buy a brand new bushy off the shelf and put in a RDIAS (if you can find one that is available to buy for 12K and do the proper paperwork)?

I guess that would be considered a "new" full auto.


As far as I know, yes.

But you still have to pay the big bucks for the RDIAS, and do the legal paper work, plus pay the $200 tax.

They used to advertise those, and LLs in the shotgun news. You can't purchase one through the mail, drop it in, and be legal.

You always have to do the paper work. There is no cheap and easy way around it.



If you can find an RDIAS that is in fact already registered, then you can install it in any AR that it'll fit into.  In such a case, it's the REGISTERED DIAS that's the machine gun.  Such a piece should have a serial number on it.

Of course, the transfer is still $200, plus approval by ATF, but once approved, you can put it into a brand new rifle.
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