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Posted: 3/25/2006 7:58:44 PM EDT
Colt is out of my price range. I'm looking at CMMG so far.
Anyone else worth checking out? Looking for a 16 inch A2 or flat top superlight upper.

Front runner is CMMG lightweight 14.7 w/ perm phantom.

(must be compelte upper, no parts. and have to beat CMMg's price, must have M4 feed ramps)
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:02:06 PM EDT
Bushmaster makes one. IIRC Model 1 does, too (I'm not recommening it). I built one from a Bushmaster barrel and Les Baer upper w/o forwars assiste (to minimize weight) with a Clark Custom (same as DPMS) carbon fiber free-float tube and a colt bolt/carrier group.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:18:33 AM EDT
bushmaster from gds_enterprise
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:33:09 PM EDT
On the EE you can find Colt 6520 uppers (A2, 16" lightweight) for $400 without the B/C/CH. I doubt the CMMG upper will be much cheaper than that......
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 3:32:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QuikSilver:
On the EE you can find Colt 6520 uppers (A2, 16" lightweight) for $400 without the B/C/CH. I doubt the CMMG upper will be much cheaper than that......



same price. little over 500 complete.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 4:59:51 PM EDT
If they're the same price, I'd go Colt's all the way. Not saying that CMMG makes a bad product, but I'd prefer the Colt's upper. The Colt's barrel has the "proper" FSB; CMMG does not. If you don't care about the contour of the barrel under the FSB, then of course it's a moot point, and I'd go CMMG in that case because you'll likely save a little.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 5:03:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
If they're the same price, I'd go Colt's all the way. Not saying that CMMG makes a bad product, but I'd prefer the Colt's upper. The Colt's barrel has the "proper" FSB; CMMG does not. If you don't care about the contour of the barrel under the FSB, then of course it's a moot point, and I'd go CMMG in that case because you'll likely save a little.



explain?????
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:06:36 PM EDT
cmmg is a .750 bbl. turned down to lightweight profile but still .750 at the fsb.

bushmaster and colt have the true .625 fsb
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:09:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
cmmg is a .750 bbl. turned down to lightweight profile but still .750 at the fsb.

bushmaster and colt have the true .625 fsb


Exactly... Therefore, a Bushmaster or Colt lightweight will be lighter than a CMMG, Model1, DPMS, etc.

Of course, the Bushmaster doesn't have M4 feed ramps, but I have one and have never seen the need for the M4 ramps.

Building lightweights is fun... If you don't already have Forest's weight table, get it! It makes planning a whole lot easier.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:34:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
If they're the same price, I'd go Colt's all the way. Not saying that CMMG makes a bad product, but I'd prefer the Colt's upper. The Colt's barrel has the "proper" FSB; CMMG does not. If you don't care about the contour of the barrel under the FSB, then of course it's a moot point, and I'd go CMMG in that case because you'll likely save a little.



The Colt 6520 has a regular front sight base. The F front sight base is just for flat tops. I love the 6520, I just wish I could get it with A1 sights.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:22:48 AM EDT
Eagle Firearms has a lightweight upper as well. That is the one I am considering.

Eagle
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:26:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By modifiedbrowning:
Eagle Firearms has a lightweight upper as well. That is the one I am considering.

Eagle




WHAT THE F%CK!!!!!!! 430 complete!?!?!?!?!


16" Super Light Chrome Lined Preban Upper

This 16" upper uses a Shaw chrome lined super light profile (light weight it's entire length), 1/9 twist, 5.56 NATO chambered barrel. This upper comes with a removable A2 flash hider, bayonet lug, .625" forged front sight base and CAR style handguards. Available with either an A4 flat top upper or an A2 fixed carry handle upper (+$25) with adjustable 800 Meter sights (choose at checkout).

Complete upper receiver assy with bolt/carrier and charging handle
$429.00
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:42:14 AM EDT
Is that good or bad? Seems like a good deal to me.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:44:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 10:00:51 AM EDT by chapperjoe]

Originally Posted By modifiedbrowning:
Is that good or bad? Seems like a good deal to me.



at least 100$ less than anywhere else for similar setup.

plus it is 1/9, chrome lined and colt profiled, e.g. lightweight throughout barrel.

since I was already prepared to spend 550-600 this means I can get a DD7.0 installed. it actually weighs about .3 ounces ess than teh handguards and barrel nut and HG retaining cap. so it's a weight saving measure. at least that's my excuse.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:46:10 AM EDT
That's what I thought you meant. A similar Model 1 chrome lined is $420. I would prefer the Eagle setup as I have had good deals with them before.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:37:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By modifiedbrowning:
Is that good or bad? Seems like a good deal to me.



at least 100$ less than anywhere else for similar setup.

plus it is 1/9, chrome lined and colt profiled, e.g. lightweight throughout barrel.

since I was already prepared to spend 550-600 this means I can get a DD7.0 installed. it actually weighs about .3 ounces ess than teh handguards and barrel nut and HG retaining cap. so it's a weight saving measure. at least that's my excuse.



That's awesome! If I didn't already have one, I'd have to buy one!

Hey, not to go spoiling anyone's need to buy goodies, BUT the DD 7.0 is lighter than M4 handguards, but NOT standard carbine handguards. (Again, you need to get Forest's excellent spreadsheet) Also, that DD 7.0 weight is for the bare forend, WITHOUT rail covers. Ladder panels weigh .5 oz each, so 4 full ladder panels increase the weight by 2 ounces. The MagPul XT panels weigh .6 or .7 each, I can't remember.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:54:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Onslaught:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By modifiedbrowning:
Is that good or bad? Seems like a good deal to me.



at least 100$ less than anywhere else for similar setup.

plus it is 1/9, chrome lined and colt profiled, e.g. lightweight throughout barrel.

since I was already prepared to spend 550-600 this means I can get a DD7.0 installed. it actually weighs about .3 ounces ess than teh handguards and barrel nut and HG retaining cap. so it's a weight saving measure. at least that's my excuse.



That's awesome! If I didn't already have one, I'd have to buy one!

Hey, not to go spoiling anyone's need to buy goodies, BUT the DD 7.0 is lighter than M4 handguards, but NOT standard carbine handguards. (Again, you need to get Forest's excellent spreadsheet) Also, that DD 7.0 weight is for the bare forend, WITHOUT rail covers. Ladder panels weigh .5 oz each, so 4 full ladder panels increase the weight by 2 ounces. The MagPul XT panels weigh .6 or .7 each, I can't remember.



interesting
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 12:31:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Onslaught:
Building lightweights is fun... If you don't already have Forest's weight table, get it! It makes planning a whole lot easier.



+1 Forest's spreadsheet is a great resource. If something's not on there, slap it on a scale and email him. He'll update the spreadsheet and add you to the credits.

The one-piece handguard/free float tube DPMS and Clark Custom guns sells are hella lightweight. The DPMS ones weren't available when I did my build, so I cut down a Clark to carbine length. 4 oz. even, IIRC.

If you can live without a forward assist, Les Baer and others sell regular flattop uppers without them that save an ounce or two. Some of the flattops without FAs are actually heavier than a regular flattop with an FA because the walls are thicker. IIRC that is the case with the DPMS Lo Pro.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 12:33:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Essayons:

Originally Posted By Onslaught:
Building lightweights is fun... If you don't already have Forest's weight table, get it! It makes planning a whole lot easier.



+1 Forest's spreadsheet is a great resource. If something's not on there, slap it on a scale and email him. He'll update the spreadsheet and add you to the credits.

The one-piece handguard/free float tube DPMS and Clark Custom guns sells are hella lightweight. The DPMS ones weren't available when I did my build, so I cut down a Clark to carbine length. 4 oz. even, IIRC.

If you can live without a forward assist, Les Baer and others sell regular flattop uppers without them that save an ounce or two. Some of the flattops without FAs are actually heavier than a regular flattop with an FA because the walls are thicker. IIRC that is the case with the DPMS Lo Pro.




anyone know the weight of the dpms carbon HG?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 12:48:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
bushmaster from gds_enterprise



+1

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 12:55:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By modifiedbrowning:
Is that good or bad? Seems like a good deal to me.



at least 100$ less than anywhere else for similar setup.

plus it is 1/9, chrome lined and colt profiled, e.g. lightweight throughout barrel.

since I was already prepared to spend 550-600 this means I can get a DD7.0 installed. it actually weighs about .3 ounces ess than teh handguards and barrel nut and HG retaining cap. so it's a weight saving measure. at least that's my excuse.



Sounds exactly like what I want to do. If you get it, please post report and pictures. I've got a birthday coming up.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:13:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

anyone know the weight of the dpms carbon HG?



I want to say 7 oz. It might be on Forest's spreadsheet - I weighed mine before and after I cut it. I just don't recall the pre-cut weight for sure. I used a Clark, but the Clark and DPMS units look identical except the DPMS units have anodized barrel nuts. BTW Rainier Tactical/Northwest Tactical (a spondsor in the Industry section) has the DPMS tubes on sale right now.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:02:33 PM EDT
well I had an aimpoint planned for this, but the lord wants me to keep it simple. finishing up a deal for a ban-era colt lightweight A2 upper. KISS baby. KISS.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:04:57 AM EDT
What about this:
Bushmaster barrel (variety of lengths, lightweight included) built on CMT laser T-marked A3 receiver - $380
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=281083

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:29:40 AM EDT
a wee too pricey., I'm working on a trde for that colt A2 lightweight upper.
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