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Posted: 12/17/2005 10:25:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 10:26:18 AM EDT by zissou]
In this Adobe PDF file on the KAC webpage; www.knightarmco.com/sass.pdf; The user whose hands are visable in the images is wearing a Rolex... likely a Submariner or some other model from the professional line.

Kudos on the good taste in watches as well as firearms.

I can only imagine that it was one of the average machine operators wrists... as I'm sure KAC gives Rolexs away as one year aniversary present.
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 10:39:21 AM EDT
The Rolex Submariner would be the first most popular dress watch among the clients using that rifle. Second only in poularity for all the time wear to the Sunto.
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 10:50:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 10:51:37 AM EDT by zissou]
I myself have an Explorer - as I have a penchant for all things from our past. Although, I do see more Submariners and few Seadwellers.

I had a Randall 18 - 5 1/2 when I was a young joe. Sold it because I am stupid. Ordered a new Randall... they're getting right on it. It'll be here in another forty months or so.

On the private side, I can see the Rolexs, it's were mine came from. The military side, however, I'd imagine a Casio or Timex. Damn GI paychecks.

Maybe they could include a nice Submariner with every SASS? Matching numbers or something?
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 10:50:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 10:53:23 AM EDT by Duffy]
I belive that's coldblue (of KAC)
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 11:30:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 11:44:39 AM EDT
Um, I was an army guy.

Yes, yes, I know the stereotype - divorced, Randall, Rolex, and a Harley.

And, sure, it's sometimes true. Some guys do it just because it's how it used to be.

I was just out in Colorado visiting an old friend who happens to be a barrel chested freedom fighter. No Rolex, although he has Buell, a new GTO, and a jacked up Jeep. Damn him and those fat reup bonuses.

Link Posted: 12/17/2005 12:33:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 12:39:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zissou:
In this Adobe PDF file on the KAC webpage; www.knightarmco.com/sass.pdf; The user whose hands are visable in the images is wearing a Rolex... likely a Submariner or some other model from the professional line.

Kudos on the good taste in watches as well as firearms.

I can only imagine that it was one of the average machine operators wrists... as I'm sure KAC gives Rolexs away as one year aniversary present.



Yeah right... It's more like, an employee may get a cheesy McDonald's Star Wars watch after giving 30 years to KAC. That's right, GReed Knight is a big spender...
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 12:39:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 12:40:11 PM EDT by Victor]
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 12:51:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zissou:
In this Adobe PDF file on the KAC webpage; www.knightarmco.com/sass.pdf; The user whose hands are visable in the images is wearing a Rolex... likely a Submariner or some other model from the professional line.

Kudos on the good taste in watches as well as firearms.

I can only imagine that it was one of the average machine operators wrists... as I'm sure KAC gives Rolexs away as one year aniversary present.



Early on when I started taking the pictures for our catalogs, instruction manuals, marketing stuff, etc., someone who onlt ever had negative input commented that it is improper to deflect a reader's/student's interest by wearing a ring or a watch in a photo. I didn't care for that comment much less the guy, so to this day I don't "undress" while doing such. Now don't get me wrong, I don't stage the picture so the watch is in it, I just don't pay it any mind.
The Rolex SUbmariner in question has been on my wrist since before Viet-Nam. Bought it at the PX in Subic Bay during Jungle Survival Training which was right before I was sent in country.
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 1:48:31 PM EDT
Coldblue's story is exactly why I bought my Rolex. One day, when I am old and grey, my kids will ask where it came from and I can tell them that once I was young and fit and did something that made a little difference in the world. I hope.

It's not coming off my wrist ever.

I'd much rather see that the guy who sells me something is wearing a Rolex than a some plastic mass market watch. There is something to be said for success and taste.

For instance, the local Solidworks reseller sales rep wears a Rolex and used to work for Colt during the A2 days.

Coldblue, I don't know you from the next guy, but thanks for what you did - and I don't care why you did it - thirty years ago.
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 2:11:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 2:12:24 PM EDT by Duffy]
He was drafted.



Just kidding!
We love coldblue (Lt. Col. Lutz of KAC)
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 11:44:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/17/2005 11:48:20 PM EDT by Green0]
"How many SEAL and Army SF guys you ever see? A lot of them wear a Rolex."

I don't know any SEAL's but the Army SF guys I know -- none wore Rolex watches. Of course that was in Iraq so maybe they had one and didn't bring it there. (doubt it but it could happen). Most were guys that planned on buying Kimber 1911's and RRA and Colt M4's and would have liked to buy Les Baer handguns they didn't have money outside family obligations to afford.

A few had SUUNTO's and were as unimpressed as I was. It's a fancy way to do nothing better than a Timex Indiglo. The Luminox copy of the Sandy P650 is what I would have rather had. It glows like a bastard though and isn't really tactical in that sense. At least when you pay $100+ for one of them you actually get Tritium and a Quartz face. The SUUNTO had a plastic face and a crappy rubber band that didn't respond well to Iraq's heat and dry air. <Mine was repaired three seperate times with dental floss [sewn], 100 mile an hour tape (reinforced) and electrical tape to keep it from looking too much like the watch of a carpet bagger. It did make it through the year though and I got a new band when I arrived at home.

Another Suunto problem is the bubble level (the only excuse for having a plastic face) actually dries or evaporates through the plastic in Iraq's heat. I met a team leader in the 3-7 Infantry that had the same problem with his Suunto.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:13:02 AM EDT
A nice Rolex makes good barter material in some countries if you're in the need.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 5:39:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/18/2005 9:48:19 AM EDT
The Rolex 5513 submariner and to a less extent the 1680 (date model) submariner were issue dive watches for the Navy Seals in the '60's and '70's from my understanding. My Navy SEAL books are full of pics with SEAL's wearing 5513 on straps instead of bracelets.

The mechanical watches were the most dependable and most accurate watches in this timeframe. The design of the 1520 movement in the 5513 sub is very similiar to an AK-47. It is basic, dependable, overbuilt where needed and has NO extra frills. The current sub (14060M) has a 3130 movement which is stronger than the 1520 only from the balance bridge improvement which now spans to both sides. You have to shock the daylights out either movement to hurt it. The 3130 has a few more jewels but from my understanding this does not really help anything.

Zissou. I really like the Explorer also, especially with the 3130 movement. Either the Explorer or a '60's vintage 5513 sub will be my next watch.

I asked the question on Timezone's Rolex forum several months ago about the US military issueing Rolex watches and got a few interesting responses from various servicemen. One gentlemen said he was in the SEALs in the '90's and was issued a G-Shock but the supply guy knew he was a watch enthusiest and showed him the unissued Rolex sub (either 5513 or 1680) that was still in the vault. No, the supply guy wouldn't issue it to him.

Please correct me if my understanding of the US military issueing Rolex subs to certain groups is wrong. I know a lot of regular soldier's bought them at PX's.

The British Military issued a few modified 5513's in the '70's and they are nice collector's items today.

Darin
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:49:48 PM EDT
I sold my Rolex to buy more guns. My Tag keeps better time and cost less.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 5:46:24 PM EDT
I'm a SAR/TSAR type of guy myself. LOL
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 7:07:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
I sold my Rolex to buy more guns. My Tag keeps better time and cost less.




Certain things impress certain people.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 8:15:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Green0:
..... It's a fancy way to do nothing better than a Timex Indiglo.....


I have a Timex Indiglo.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 8:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 11:48:51 AM EDT by Gunzilla]
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Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:03:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Green0:
"How many SEAL and Army SF guys you ever see? A lot of them wear a Rolex."

I don't know any SEAL's but the Army SF guys I know -- none wore Rolex watches. Of course that was in Iraq so maybe they had one and didn't bring it there. (doubt it but it could happen). Most were guys that planned on buying Kimber 1911's and RRA and Colt M4's and would have liked to buy Les Baer handguns they didn't have money outside family obligations to afford.

A few had SUUNTO's and were as unimpressed as I was. It's a fancy way to do nothing better than a Timex Indiglo. The Luminox copy of the Sandy P650 is what I would have rather had. It glows like a bastard though and isn't really tactical in that sense. At least when you pay $100+ for one of them you actually get Tritium and a Quartz face. The SUUNTO had a plastic face and a crappy rubber band that didn't respond well to Iraq's heat and dry air. <Mine was repaired three seperate times with dental floss [sewn], 100 mile an hour tape (reinforced) and electrical tape to keep it from looking too much like the watch of a carpet bagger. It did make it through the year though and I got a new band when I arrived at home.

Another Suunto problem is the bubble level (the only excuse for having a plastic face) actually dries or evaporates through the plastic in Iraq's heat. I met a team leader in the 3-7 Infantry that had the same problem with his Suunto.




It's a good thing I got mine at REI's fall sale. You're making me regret the purchase even more. Well, by the time I make it to a team and the sandbox, I'll probably just get a better watch. Though I will say I've used it for land nav without too much trouble. I just haven't been in the desert with it yet, so I haven't had the bubble dry out.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:43:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 11:49:08 AM EDT by Gunzilla]
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Link Posted: 12/19/2005 5:59:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 6:01:10 PM EDT by Darin_Reiss]
Denny,
If you have the bracelet links that that are paired up in "L"'s, you have to push the pin by the clasp and then the "L" links come apart one set at a time. Very different set up. A guy I work with has one and needed a link removed last month and I stared at the thing for 5 minutes before I noticed how it went together.
Please email me if I am not making sense.
Take care,
Darin
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 7:31:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:06:44 AM EDT
"MFing and screaming because his submariner had became an aquarium"

That will happen if the stem comes unscrewed.

I think nice watches are good to have-- why not? Timex's electronic watches do keep nearly perfect time but I think it's cool to know that a watch is doing nearly that fully mechanically with an automatic movement.

Of course I understand that all that is just a luxury-- the need is the time-- the rest of it is just nice to have. The way I look at it with the high-end you pay for a machined piece of working art.

By the way I like the Luminox tritium for non-hazardous work too. It's amazingly bright-- almost like a navigation light on dark nights.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:59:52 AM EDT
I have a fake Rolex Submariner.....because I can't afford the real deal..not yet anyway. My dad has a real one and I was suprised to see my watch is an exact 1:1 copy. With untrained eye it's impossible to tell the differece. I have a Suunto "wrist computer" as well...it's a bit too big and cumbersome. Some of the features like the alt meter, digital compass etc. are more like a joke. If you need a compass you'll be carrying a proper one, 'sides nothing digital can be trusted. Same goes for the alt meter. I cannot think any considerable reason why I should have an altimeter in my watch. Again, if I'm parachuting for example, I'll be having proper gear on and would not be needing all in one wonders.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:34:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:25:01 AM EDT
"a fetish for watches and flashlights" Count me in.

My work watch is a very old Casio GShock; it's very durable and survives the armor-plate well. Otherwise, it's ugly with a capital E. My alternate work watch is a Werner Military that I bought on sale at Oschman's. It was a super deal, but the watch just wasn't right for work.

My dress watch is a Longines replica of the watch used in the famous crossing of the Spirit of St. Louis. I can't navigate with the thing, but it sure is nice to have on my wrist!

That TSAR looks beautiful and might have to be my next purchase. I'm debating whether or not to buy a really nice watch like that while I'm working in the armored-car world. The plating really hands out some abuse to my gear and I'd hate to scratch something like that all to hell.

If I move into the DOC world....
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 8:44:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By Gunzilla:

Originally Posted By Green0:
"MFing and screaming because his submariner had became an aquarium"

That will happen if the stem comes unscrewed.

I think nice watches are good to have-- why not? Timex's electronic watches do keep nearly perfect time but I think it's cool to know that a watch is doing nearly that fully mechanically with an automatic movement.

Of course I understand that all that is just a luxury-- the need is the time-- the rest of it is just nice to have. The way I look at it with the high-end you pay for a machined piece of working art.

By the way I like the Luminox tritium for non-hazardous work too. It's amazingly bright-- almost like a navigation light on dark nights.



I think every guy I know in this line of work has a fetish for watches and flashlights... I just have to live within the enlisted pay chart, so I have a drawer with two Aqualands, and two Wingmans, but I do appriciate the quality and workmanship of a fine watch...

Now, I do have two Randalls, and original EK, original BlackJack and an authentic bent-blade Gerber!



This is true! I am a fan of the Omega Seamaster and own about EVERY SF made (including the BEAST).

I once read that the ONLY acceptable forms of jewelry a man should wear is a nice watch and his wedding band.


C4



Grant, it looks like we agree on more than one thing.

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 9:11:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 9:24:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 9:25:41 AM EDT by Duffy]
Yes you are, I'm blaming you and Wes for all the gears y'all forced me to buy
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 9:40:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By ian187:

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By Gunzilla:

Originally Posted By Green0:
"MFing and screaming because his submariner had became an aquarium"

That will happen if the stem comes unscrewed.

I think nice watches are good to have-- why not? Timex's electronic watches do keep nearly perfect time but I think it's cool to know that a watch is doing nearly that fully mechanically with an automatic movement.

Of course I understand that all that is just a luxury-- the need is the time-- the rest of it is just nice to have. The way I look at it with the high-end you pay for a machined piece of working art.

By the way I like the Luminox tritium for non-hazardous work too. It's amazingly bright-- almost like a navigation light on dark nights.



I think every guy I know in this line of work has a fetish for watches and flashlights... I just have to live within the enlisted pay chart, so I have a drawer with two Aqualands, and two Wingmans, but I do appriciate the quality and workmanship of a fine watch...

Now, I do have two Randalls, and original EK, original BlackJack and an authentic bent-blade Gerber!



This is true! I am a fan of the Omega Seamaster and own about EVERY SF made (including the BEAST).

I once read that the ONLY acceptable forms of jewelry a man should wear is a nice watch and his wedding band.


C4



Grant, it looks like we agree on more than one thing.




Ya see, I'm not such a bad guy after all.



C4



We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.


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Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:59:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 5:47:01 AM EDT by mach6]
My ex got me an Omega "Moonwatch" at the PX back in '80, as a promotion gift. The wife is long gone, but the watch...and me, are still serving. Wear to the field? Not hardly. "Cheap" (but still excellent) Russian mil issue timepiece works just fine when duty calls.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 1:51:16 PM EDT by Zak-Smith]

Originally Posted By Magpul:
Good Choice. My everyday watch is a TSAR and will be for a long time to come. I also have a early model SAR (cleaner dial) on a stainless steel band for when I want to dress up a bit. What I really want is a TiSAR (TSAR in a titanum case) but they don't make one.


+1 on the TSAR. It's great. Not as big on the wrist as one might think.

I'd go for a TiSAR-- keep the tritium, clean up the face like the SAR.

The tritium is great for determining WTF time it is in the middle of the night in a sleeping bag or other dark place.

-z
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:29:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 6:34:25 PM EDT by sevensixtwo]
Rolex? Sure, maybe back in the 60's and 70's that was "the" tool watch but nowadays, they're for the "watch guy" that doesn't know much about watches.his
http://www.watchbuys.com/images/Sinn856BlackBracelet.JPG

Exterior of the stainless steel is hardened to 1500 Vickers (standard stainless is around 280 Vickers), sapphire crystal (only a diamond or similar hardness item will scratch it...your uber-tactical survival knife won't scratch it), no-glare black finish is part of the exterior hardening (not paint), movement operates in temperatures between -49°F to +176°F, shockproof to DIN 8308 standards, antimagnetic to DIN 8309 standard...ummm...that should cover the sandbox. h.gif

And if you need a chronograph...


http://www.chronomaster.co.uk/B91_Sinn_756_B_S1.JPG
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 8:58:55 PM EDT
Man a Rolex would be nice, I'm stuck with an Omega Speedmaster, nice watch with a hell of a history. My father bought in the late 60's while going through pilot training with the Air Force, it has seen Germany, England, Turkey, Libya, Vietnam (twice) and quiet possibley Cambodia, but I can not confirm that one for sure, and a few other countries that I have not listed, all on the wrist of a fighter pilot in a F-4. I got it when I turned 18 when I goined the Military and it has seen most of Europe, and now rides with me on patrol. Great watch, would not trade for the world, but I would still like a Rolex...........
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:33:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 8:47:00 AM EDT
You had to go and show me the Sinn.

a 657 with bracelet is now on the want list. Nice and simple.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 12:48:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 12:48:45 PM EDT by ar-jedi]

Originally Posted By Gunzilla:
other than the box they came in called it a "Aviator's" watch... how uncool is that!



i think my Breitling Colt ChronoOcean came in a box that said something about "aviation" ...

sorry, only crappy pic i have is from when i needed to show my brother-in-law how big a Garmin Foretrex 201 GPS is. he's an USAF pilot and, of course, wears the obligatory "i graduated from the academy" Rolex.


ar-jedi



ps
different color face, same watch:



Link Posted: 12/21/2005 1:07:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/21/2005 11:20:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By INI:
You had to go and show me the Sinn.h


The only negative thing about the 657 is that none of the variations offer the hardened exterior coating (what they call "Tegiment") which means it will scratch as easily as any other stainless steel watch. The black version would look like hell after some rough wear (but real tactical people would just spray paint it black again! he
As for Breitling...uh...well...their QC several years back was shit and their gearing MOST of their line towards the "bling" crowd. Personally, there are only two Breitling I would consider, the Emergency and the Aerospace (and their newer variations). The rest of the line is just guady IMO. At least those two models offer some good features.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 1:08:42 AM EDT
AR JEDI,

That's a nice Breitling...those have become a bit of a joke among aviators. At least every man and his dog working for Finnair has a Breitling on his wrist. Most are bought from Bangkok, and are of course, as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 6:09:19 AM EDT
Wore a submariner for a bazillion years. Now my eyes are older. With the bright tritium on a plastic luminox I can read the time in the middle of the night without my glasses. Two years ago I was scuba diving in the Payette river. I just noticed in time that my Rolex clasp had loosened up all the way and the watch was about to get carried off my wrist, and down current. Yikes! Traded it for a Sig Blaser LRSII rifle a week later. I really liked it when I had it, but I don't miss it now.
lawndart
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 5:16:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 5:18:59 PM EDT by brianksain]
My best friend just brought me a gen u ine Rolex from the bazaar in Kandahar ... on his way home for leave.

The lad is wearing out some Taliban ass with his SWS

BK
AmericanSnipers.org
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 6:09:19 PM EDT
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