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Posted: 10/11/2005 6:19:02 AM EDT
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What do you guys like for a verticle grip? I've been looking at the Tango Down Vertical Battlegrip but I also find the Aluminum Verticle Foregrip at deltaforce.com to be appealing. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance. |
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I like the TD grip, it's secure, has a flashlight/laser pressure pad cutout, and fits my hand better. The storage compartment is useful too, not much more can be improved on TD's foregrip. It needs rails to be in spec though, otherwise it's very tight fitting or won't go on at all. I have equal numbers of TD and KAC foregrips. The KAC grip looks better on smaller weapons like subguns but it's not as versatile. |
The TD VG is the best IMHO, followed by the CQD and KAC. I would NOT get the TD VG unless you have a quality rail system as it might not fit. C4 www.GRTactical.com |
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And even if you do have a quality railed forend (I have the ARMS SIR) you still have to give the Tango Down a solid thwack with a rubber mallet to get it to fit properly. I even used a file to smooth the inside edges and still had to smack the shit out of it to get it to fit. Ken |
The reason why the TD VG won't fit properly is that the rail is not to spec. This is why TD came out with a SIR replacement rail (which they no longer make).  C4 |
You want it to be tight on the rail, but not to tight where it removes material from the TD VG. You can use golf tees or drill bits to keep the tabs down during installation. C4 |
| TD is very fat and wider than it is deep and lop sided with the cover on the side for the tape switch. Its my least favorite vertical grip ergonomically speaking. It is very high quality though. I dont like its method of attachemnt either as its a bitch to install and remove. It also a litlle heavy bu not like the CQD. I prefer the KAC grip. I see no point in storing things in the vertail grip as I have better places for starage that will not weigh down my front end. |
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TD is my favorite grip. I like that its fatter, you don't have to have a death grip on it in order to keep the front end down during recoil. It fits fine on both Larue and MRP rails. Its like buying a tennis racket, you need the size that fits your hand. I found the KAC to slim for me. |
+ ELEVENTY BILLION! Well almost, I do store CR123s or AAs in my GG&G grip, which I like slightly more than my KAC. I agree completely on the TD. Glad to finally hear someone else around here think it's the least ergonomic grip on the planet. I also love how everyone under the sun maintains that "if the TD doesn't fit, the rail is wrong" yet, sometimes they don't fit on in spec rails due to varying tolerences on either end of the "good" demensions. If someone told me my KAC RAS was out of spec because a TD grip didn't fit...I'd fart in their general direction. And I'd tell them they were crazy for telling me that my 300+ dollar issue RAS made of machine alum was out of spec, yet the 65 dollar plastic grip was. |
Interesting. Do you think that it is possible that KAC finds a RAS or two that doesn't follow the M1913 spec? What do you think they do with the ones the Military rejects? Destroy them? Sell them to the Civy market as they wouldn't know any better?  C4 |
Orig Posted C4iGrant
Was this just a good natured jab at the above post? Or do you have some information on this? Or is it a type of educated guess/speculation? I would real hate to think that KAC or any other would go to that length and give the public "seconds". I know it goes on with ammunition due to current federal law. But would be a little dismayed if that practice extended to other kit. Maybe I'm a little too naive. Also, maybe companies feel it would not make a difference to the majority of consumers and maybe they would be right. But it would still rub me the wrong way, though. |
Just PURE speculation on my part (which is based on some conversations with people that know more than I about the Military contracting world). C4 |
Me? I am never right about anything (just ask my wife).  C4 |
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I have both the KAC and the TD... I find the TD to be a pain in the ass to install, and the KAC fits my hands better when I am wearing gloves, but is a little on the small side when I run it without wearing gloves. That being said, I ran the KAC in a class this weekend while running a SF 962 (it was a low light carbine class) and found the KAC to be constantly coming loose on me, and I had to frequently tighten it up to keep it from wobbling. Kind of pissed me off, I had enough to deal with on top of having to keep tightening the grip down. I don't think the perfect vertical grip has come to market yet, but they are definatly worth having! Dave |
+1 on KAC loosening sometimes. I asked Magpul if they had considered making a vertical grip and got no response... I guess that means no. 
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I also like the CQD, just wish they made a alum filler for the pressure pad area if it not in used. Any ideas on what to use to improve the feel?? |
I find it very odd that guys consider "Easy Removal" to be a plus or negative for any vert grip? How often are you guys actually removing it?  I'm also a little mystified by the "Weight" concerns of carrying a spare bolt. If you guys are noticing a damn bolt it's time to head to the gym. Personally I own two TD's, but I would not kick a KAC out of bed. I was always happy with my KAC vert grips. I only switched them out for TD's becuase of the slightly better ergonomics and storage offered by the TD. |
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I like the feel of the AUG's VFG so I mounted one via an ARMS #22 ring mount base (less then $20 on the EE). Simple, solid, and quick on-off. I remove it often to swap from gun to gun, and also for transport, it makes a nicer package with it off. The little insert is a photochop I did for a guy, to should how a SAW grip would look mounted this way. 
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I remove my vertical grip every time i clean and every time I bench the rifle for a new load or zero an optic, etc. I just cant get any stronger yet I still notice a front heavy rifle so what now? Tons of roids? How big do I need to get? I got up to curling 70 lb dumbbells yet still didnt like the front heavy rifle. I guess if I start doing standing curls with 100s I should be good to go. |
I run a surefire with a Ppad switch in there so it does'nt effect the feel for me BUT, when I wasnt using the light and pad I simply took two pieces of innertube and slipped it over the area where my hand fits and that made the grip feel even better. In fact I use the innertube with the pressure pad installed as well. Holds it there for good and improves the feel overall! Good stuff! I believe I used 1 3/8"tube. It's a tight fit getting it on but perfect once there! ps. I used two cut pieces of tube and just butt them up gainst eachother like they are one wide piece on the grip. Trying to get one piece of tube on that is about 5" long is nearly impossible (hence the two instead) |
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It looks okay and works well; textured grip, transverse steel bar that fully engages the rail, waterproof battery compartment, it's easy to put on and won't break off. What's not to like? And yes, I really do like it. |
Thanks for the option but I was looking for something like a foam grab-on sleeve. I wish QDC would machine a filler to match, I bet they would sell a ton. I dont care for all od the add add ons, I like my ARs a KISS weapon. |
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THE PERFECT VERTICAL GRIP, TO MY WAY OF THINKING, WOULD BE SHAPED LIKE THE DIETER/CQD, BUT MADE OF A SIMILAR STRONG, LIGHTWEIGHT, SPACE-AGE MATERIAL THAT WOULD NOT CONDUCT HEAT. UNTIL THEN, MY CHOICE IS THE DIETER/CQD, THE WAY IT STANDS. I DO NOT USE THE DIETER/CQD PRESSURE PAD CUTOUT, SO I TURN IT TOWARD MY PALM. I NEVER SEEM TO NOTICE THE CUTOUT, THIS WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WEARING GLOVES. I ALSO FILL IT IN ONE OF MY DIETER/CQD CUTOUTS WITH ALTERNATING HOOK/LOOP VELCRO. VERY COMFORTABLE. PIC OF DIETER/CQD VERTICAL GRIP:   HERE'S MY FIRST DIETER/CQD, ABOVE, CHOPPED OFF. THAT'S A NICE THING ABOUT ALUMINUM. I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING DUANE DIETER ON A FEW OCCASIONS DOWN AT MID-SOUTH SHOOTING, WHEN HE'S BEEN DOWN THERE DOING HIS THING WITHTHE HIGH-SPEED NAVY BOYZ. I ALSO KNOW MIKE FURGESON, HIS SECOND-IN-COMMAND, THE FORMER HEAD OF ALL SEAL HAND-TO-HAND TRAINING. MY PERSONAL ESTEEM FOR THESE TWO OUTSTANDING AMERICANS MAY BIASE ME BIT IN MY CHOICE OF THE DIETER/CQD VERTICAL GRIP AS THE ONE TO HAVE. FOR THOSE WHO FEEL COMPELLED TO CARRY PARTS IN THEIR VERTICAL GRIP, PISTOL GRIP, BUTTSTOCK, ETC., I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF THE INCREASE IN WEIGHT IS WORTH IT. I HAVE POCKETS AND A 3-DAY PACK FOR MY SPARES. I LIKE TO KEEP THE WEAPON AS LIGHT AND MANEUVERABLE AS POSSIBLE. THE ONLY THING I STORE ON THE GUN IS A COPY OF MY CLASS III PAPERWORK. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
Shit Wes since you know the man, suggest that he make a filler. I reverse mine and it improve the feel but now my south paw son bitching, should I install two
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I'M NOT YELLING. KAC DID NOT START THE WHOLE THING FOR THE M4. THE FIRST ONES I EVER SAW WERE HK-21 ASSAULT GRIPS BOLTED TO FREE FLOATING ALUMINUM TUBES, WITH WEAVER RAILS BOLTED ON EACH QUADRANT. BOY, WERE THEY ROUGH LOOKING, TOO. KAC WAS THE FIRST TO CAPITALIZE ON THE NEED FOR THE VERTICAL GRIP, AND THEY ARE FOUND IN ABUNDANCE IN OUR MILITARY. THEY JUST HAVEN'T KEPT UP, HOWEVER. QUITE A FEW OF MY CUSTOMERS FOR THE DIETER/CQD VG ARE GUYS WHO HAVE BROKEN THEIR KAC VERTICAL GRIPS AT "INOPPORTUNE MOMENTS". WES |
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Anybody who owns a CQD VG knows what a V-Bar is, a stripped V-Bar...its only drawback - maybe it could use an extra cross slot or two -yes in addition to the 3 already there - so it would mate up better when using at least 3 cross bolts on a SIR #3 or #4 rail. Solution to a stripped V-Bar cross slot... I was browsing at the hardware store one day and was digging in the small item bins - the one with the cotter pins and plastic plugs - rubber grommets that sort of thing and found these little aluminum threaded collars like a washer on one end and an attached section of threads about .125 in length on the other which mate up perfectly with the cross bolts on the Deiter CQD vg - counter sink the stripped hole in the V-Bar Dremel down the washer side to a smaller diameter and the treaded shaft length and presto chango - sorry Duane. I kept the V-Bar I had Erica send me, from CQD for an undisclosed sum of money after I stripped the first one out, as a spare dont need it tho'. |
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