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Posted: 4/19/2005 9:34:21 AM EDT
| I what to find a single stage, non-adjustable, 3-4.5 lb trigger for my colt. That damn wimpy sear block has really limited my options, but I know that I am not the only person out there who has a colt and doesn't want a crappy thousand pound factory trigger. At this point, the only trigger I have heard of that will fit in the lower without having to have my sear block removed or some type of scary or money wasting gunsmithing being performed is from Accuracy Speaks. Is this true? Will it fit? Does anyone have any suggestions as far as other triggers that will work? I want a reliable trigger, even though it really is a range gun, I like to think of it as a self-defense weapon. I know that there are some after-market triggers out there that you would never put in a duty weapon, and I don't want one, even though I know that i will never use my AR in a real life and death situation, I like to know that I could rely on it. Is the Accuracy speaks a "duty" reliable trigger? Any suggestions? |
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Large pin, sear blocked Colts are somewhat limited for aftermarket triggers. Since you say you want to stay with a single stage, that limits you even more. Both Jewell and Armalite make two stage triggers for large pin blocked Colts, but as for a single stage I would say Accuracy Speaks is about your only bet. I would contact them personally and find out from them what they can and cannot do. From what I understand, the AS trigger is nothing more than a re-worked stock trigger, but contact them *directly* and see what comes from the horse's mouth. www.accuracyspeaks.com |
| I just want to say thankyou. I am new to ar15.com, and think it is great how everyone here is kind enough to take the time to share their knowledge. I took your good advice and have contacted accuracy speaks. I will post what I find out here for someone else's future reference. Thanks a lot! |
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Hey there. I have a few questions for you. Is the trigger any different from the factory trigger that came with my Colt MT6731 competition HBar II? What I am looking for is a single stage, non-adjustable trigger, that is 3-4.5 lbs (no more no less). Does the colt match trigger fit these specs? I know that a lot of "match" triggers are not designed to be put into duty rifles because they either have a tendency to move from where adjusted, are not as durable, have a tendency not to set off hard primers, or worst of all, reduce the trigger pull weight by using weak springs (usually painted yellow). Do you know if this trigger is made for duty rifles? I need one that is absolutely reliable. How would you compare this trigger to the accuracy speaks trigger? Is it crisp with little take-up and over-travel? If this is a 3-4.5 lb single stage trigger that is as reliable as a factory trigger, than I am definitely interested. Just let me know what you think is a fair price for it. Oh one last thing, how much use has it seen? How did you end up with an extra? Thanks a lot man. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks again, John |
This is not the case. The AS trigger and hammer parts are very different from stock parts (the general shape itself is very different). They function in a similar fashion, but the engagement angles and overall quality of the AS trigger is much better. -Troy |
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OK, so can someone please tell me what the difference is between the colt match trigger and the stock triggers? I measured my stock trigger and it came out to an average of 8.5 lbs!!! This is unacceptable. I have looked and looked and I can't find anything anywhere else about the colt "match" trigger. Jeff, I would be thrilled to take you up on your offer, but I really need to know the specs first, because there is only room in my rifle/ammo budget for one trigger. I would like to have colt, and I like the price versus the accuracy speaks, but I don't want to get it and find out that it is 5.5 or 6 lbs. Someone who knows something about this PLEASE HELP!!!! Jeff, what does it feel like compared to your stock trigger? I am assuming that you have tried it out dry firing at least. |
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I have a Colt with the match trigger. It is almost new, not really broken in. I have an Accuracy Speaks single stage trigger in an AR-10, and a couple of Bushies with factory triggers. The match trigger from Colt, which may mello with age, is much nicer than a factory trigger, but not as nice as the Accuracy Speaks. The Colt match trigger uses blue springs, for what that info is worth.  The pull has no take up, but it is a long light pull, not a crisp break. Not much overtravel, but a long pull. It is smooth, but the travel is the same length as a stock trigger. The Accuracy Speaks single stage is light, has no take up, and little overtravel. When you apply preasure, the hammer falls and the trigger moves back. Almost too light for me. Hope this helps. I'm not an expert or anything. |
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The Colt comp trigger is for the shooter who wants a marginally improved feel to their trigger without sacrificing field reliability. There is usually some sort of tradeoff between performance and reliability when you start looking at a match trigger. The Colt comp trigger isn't in the same league performance-wise with a true match trigger like an Accuracy Speaks or a Chip McCormick, but it is touted as being 100% reliable with any type of ammunition. The heavy hammer spring in a stock fire control group will give you an extra margin of reliability with hard primers-like those found in Lake City M193 ball or other milsurp ammo. Match triggers with very light hammer springs don't always have the power necessary to be 100% reliable with milsurp ammunition. My Accuracy Speaks trigger will however ignite a hard primer just fine, just like my Colt comp triggers. I've never had a light primer strike with either trigger, and between them they have fired many thousands of rounds. Many match triggers also have adjustment screws that can come loose at the worst possible time, rendering the rifle inoperable or unsafe. Neither the Colt comp trigger or the Accuracy Speaks trigger have adjustment screws to worry about. |
| So are all Colt comp triggers the same? Do they all have blue springs? I don't mind the actuall functioning of the stock trigger as far as take-up, over-travel, and all of that. I just want a lighter trigger. Is the colt match trigger a lot lighter than the stock trigger? How close do you think it is to 4lbs? |
The Colt comp triggers I have are stock #SPK94774, and they are the current version. I don't know if there are any older variants around. Mine break at around 4.5 pounds. If you don't mind the peformance of your stock trigger have you considered the JP reduced power yellow springs? I see that you mentioned them above, but I have a couple of sets and haven't had any trouble with light primer strikes. They are only $9.95 at Brownells and will give you a 4.5 to 5 pound break. If you don't like them Brownells has a good return policy. Brownells link Here are the JP springs in one of my current Colts:  |
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BillofRights: I am not sure what you mean by clean-up. I know that screwing with the surfaces will put you right through the case-hardened outer-layer, and you might have the best damn trigger ever for a few weeks until the softer metal starts to wear. If the current colt comp trigger breaks at 4.5 lbs, then I am sold!! I think I would rather take the better reliability of them over the accuracy speaks (if indeed that is true, any input from anyone?). 4.5 lbs is plenty light for what I want, and reliability is very important to me, even if it is not quit as perfect as the accuracy speaks. CJanNH, On the stock #SPK94774, are those trigger springs blue? Because FRO said he is willing to let one go to me but the spring is blue. I want to make sure that it is the current version that breaks at 4.5. And who's stock number is that, Colt? Cause I was trying to do a little research and it doesn't seem that you can order them from Colt. On the yellow JP springs...I almost bought a set once here locally. Then I read the packaging, and in big red letters it said something like WARNING: NOT INTENDED FOR USE IN DUTY/SERVICE RIFLES. I think I will not skimp on this one. The trigger I have now is HORRIBLE. 8.5 ugly lbs, factory from colt. I have been shooting my glock a lot lately with a 5.5 and have not fired my AR in a while, and when I tried to dry fire my AR tonight I thought something was wrong with it for half a second because the trigger was "stuck"! Not good for accuracy. Its the kind of trigger that only a liberal would love. Not acceptable in a damn near $3000 dollar rifle. Well I am looking forward to finding out if those springs are blue on that model, so I can ask FRO if he has that model number, and then go from there. I defintely want that version of the trigger somehow or other. |
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