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Posted: 4/5/2004 6:18:38 AM EDT
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Found FFL and Talked to BATF. Legal to own now. |
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I think your out of luck untill September. Some info from Bushmaster regarding LEO only weapons. [url]http://www.bushmaster.com/le/attention_dealers.htm[/url] From the Bushmaster site: To Individual Officers wishing to order complete Bushmaster Firearms: Below are listed the specific legal requirement and limitations necessary for the purchase of complete functional weapons from Bushmaster Firearms. A letter from the Office's Department Chief, Sheriff or Shift Supervisor authorizing such purchase. This letter must state that the weapon is for the Officer's use in his/her official duties. Cost for the weapon must be billed directly to the Officer's Law Enforcement Agency. The Individual Officer may make payment to the dealer or distributor for the weapon but the invoice for said weapon must be made out to the Law Enforcement Agency. N.F.A. (National Firearms Act) weapons and short barreled weapons are available for sale only to Law Enforcement Agencies and may not be owned by Individual Officers. If the Individual Officer leaves the Law Enforcement Agency, ownership of the weapon may be transferred to another Law Enforcement Agency through a Federal Firearms Licensed dealer. Any weapon sold to Law Enforcement Agencies by Bushmaster Firearms will carry a stamping on the lower receiver reading "Restricted Law Enforcement / Government Use Only" I would bet the above even applies towards "LEO Only" stripped lowers. |
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Quoted: That is true, but I am not buying a [b]COMPLETE[/b] firearm just stripped lower. The stripped lower would be treated the same as a complete rifle, it is the serialized controlled item. Someone with better knowledge may come along, if not give Bushmaster a call or email and see what they say! |
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Quoted: Spooge, What is the deal with the LEO lower? Do you think Barney Fife is going to soar down from the heavens above and deputize you because you have a LEO lower? I'm serious, what is the big deal about a LEO stripped lower? Gee I thought you had a nice set of rifles. Don't like the smart-ass comment much though. If we don't know each other, what is it to you? I want one. It's America. I see you have one. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=186457&w=myTopicPop[/url] [red]Do you think Barney Fife is going to soar down from the heavens above and deputize you because you have a LEO lower?[/red] You just showed your true colors. Thanks for your concern. I got one already. |
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Quoted: USMC03 No, he is just another dork who thinks it will increase his closet coolness factor. See what I love about this comment, is that this person just described, about 99% of the members of this website. So if I like cool gun stuff. I am a [b]HUGE GUN DORK![/b] I admit it! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Spooge, What is the deal with the LEO lower? Do you think Barney Fife is going to soar down from the heavens above and deputize you because you have a LEO lower? I'm serious, what is the big deal about a LEO stripped lower? Gee I thought you had a nice set of rifles. Don't like the smart-ass comment much though. If we don't know each other, what is it to you? I want one. It's America. I see you have one. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=186457&w=myTopicPop[/url] [red]Do you think Barney Fife is going to soar down from the heavens above and deputize you because you have a LEO lower?[/red] You just showed your true colors. Thanks for your concern. I got one already. Spooge, Sorry I hurt your feelings. I've been in law enforcement for over 8 years and I have NEVER owned a LEO rifle because of all the red tape involved and the possibility of my department trying to keep the gun if I ever left. That changed about 4 months ago when I was talking to Tina Elmore at SAW and was informed that I could retain a LEO gun if I ever left the job if I put "The Officer / Detective will retain the firearm purchased on this letterhead if the Officer / Detective leaves in good standing". There is no magic about having a LEO stamped lower, but due to the load that I wear on SWAT calls, etc. I need a adjustable length of pull and was tired of carrying around my prebans (which I try to baby) and post ban guns that I couldn't adjust the length of pull on. The point I was trying to make is that it's silly for a non-LEO to seak out a LEO stamped lower, and all you can do is put post ban features on it. Does it bring some kind of coolness factor for you? Is the gun more accurate, more reliable, because it's stamped LEO / Govt / Export only? Now I'm talking to you on a professional level, not slinging any mud. So tell me why a LEO only lower is so important if you are not a LEO? |
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Ok friend, I want a LEO COLT lower for the collectors value after Sep. I am not making this into a post-ban, so it is not silly to me to have it. I do not want to dress up and play police, believe me. I am not the kind of guy that shows all my stuff off at the range, and trys to impress people. Why do you want the things you want in life? Why does the next guy? It is the same lower you can get as a MT6400c, with different roll marks. I know this. LEO lowers will be a piece of history. I wanted one, so I went through the channels, and found that I could own one now. As long as I did not put pre-ban features on it until after the AWB sunsets. I hope that answered your question, without slinging mud. |
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Spooge, Fair enough. I have been told that Colt will still offer it's LEO line of firearms to LEO's after the ban sunsets with the same markings on it (minus the For Law Enforcement / Govt only mark on the right side of the receiver) and they will only offer them to Law Enforcement on Department Letterhead. And they will offer the same line to the civilian market that is already out there. I guess the only difference between Colt's civilian line and LEO line will be the markings on the left side of the receiver. And if I sounded rude in my first post, try to understand why many of us in the law enforcement community take offense to people that are not LEO's trying to obtain LEO controlled items (ie. badges, ID's, LEO stamped items like lower's, etc.). Many of us grow tired of the wanna be's, posers, holster sniffers, mall ninja's, etc. that like to think they are law enforcement but have not "been there and done that". 2 Detectives in my unit were involved in a fatal shoot out a couple nights ago. Both are OK and both are top notch cops....Many of us in Law Enforcment make sacrifices on a daily basis at all different levels. I have survived an attempted murder, exposure to AIDS and Hepititus, I have been kicked, punched, hit with forign objects, spit on, cursed at, almost ran over, etc, etc, etc. So when we see someone who is trying to be like us, but they have not endured the sacrifices that we go through, it makes a guy feel like someone is stealing his glory. I'm not saying that is what you have done, just trying to give you a little insight. It is no different than a member of the US Military Special Operation Forces getting pissed when they see a guy wearing a Ranger, SEALs, Special Forces, etc. article (ie. hat, t-shirt, etc) and know that he was never a part of that unit, and did not go through the sacrifices that they endure on a daily basis. |
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I'm ex-LEO (5 years, FTO, SWAT entry and sniper, patrol) and I couldn't give a crap if someone has an LEO marked gun, I would like one. Just for the coolness points. I'm also ex-military, and it absolutely burns my arse when I see someone that wearing an article of clothing for a unit they weren't in. Hell, I had a Ranger buddy who served with me in the airborne give me a ranger shirt, I never wore it because I'm not a Ranger, and never wanted to be. What's my point? I don't have one, I have a snow day and I'm just wasting my time. [peep] |
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Is it really so hard to understand why someone would want an LEO-marked lower, independent of wanting to "pose" as a cop? People collect beanie babies, for cripes sake. But I agree with you about one thing: I can't, for the life of me, immagine why some people would want to pretend to be a cop when they aren't one. That would have to be some special kind of loser. |
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Quoted: I'm ex-LEO (5 years, FTO, SWAT entry and sniper, patrol) and I couldn't give a crap if someone has an LEO marked gun We agree on most issues, and it doesn't bother me that a non LEO has a LEO marked lower. But the point I was trying to make is, you have to wonder what a person's motivation to go through all the trouble to go out and locate and purchase a LEO only lower. The only difference is the markings on the right and left side of the receiver. I have not seen any kind of "collector value" attached to the LEO only lowers. If a guy were to walk into a gun shop and was in need of a lower and all they had was a LEO only lower, no problem. But you have to wonder why a guy would go through all the trouble and BS of seeking one out. Just my opinion. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm ex-LEO (5 years, FTO, SWAT entry and sniper, patrol) and I couldn't give a crap if someone has an LEO marked gun We agree on most issues, and it doesn't bother me that a non LEO has a LEO marked lower. [red] No shit?[/red] But the point I was trying to make is, you have to wonder what a person's motivation to go through all the trouble to go out and locate and purchase a LEO only lower. [red] No trouble at all. I'm just a regular old redneck. I bought my Colt LEO lower at a table at my local fun show. I saw the lower while I was strolling by, and snapped it up.[/red] How many of my children do I need to sell off?[rolleyes] The only difference is the markings on the right and left side of the receiver. [blue]Correct![/blue] I have not seen any kind of "collector value" attached to the LEO only lowers. [red]Wait 20 years. I, for one, think that these lowers might command a good price in 20 years.[/red] If a guy were to walk into a gun shop and was in need of a lower and all they had was a LEO only lower, no problem. But you have to wonder why a guy would go through all the trouble and BS of seeking one out. Just my opinion. |
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I don't see why anyone cares if someone wants a LEO lower. What if I want a nice LMT lower to go with an LMT upper? It's a BS law anyway, if a cop is 'offended' by a civvy with a LEO lower because 'he didn't earn it', would he also be insulted by a civvy with a MG because 'he didn't earn it'??? It's a friggen' stamping on a gun, not a badge or medal or even uniform. I used to have a Rem 870 folding stock that was stamped 'Law enforcement only', am I going to hell??? |
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Quoted: Spooge, Fair enough. I have been told that Colt will still offer it's LEO line of firearms to LEO's after the ban sunsets with the same markings on it (minus the For Law Enforcement / Govt only mark on the right side of the receiver) and they will only offer them to Law Enforcement on Department Letterhead. And they will offer the same line to the civilian market that is already out there. I guess the only difference between Colt's civilian line and LEO line will be the markings on the left side of the receiver. And if I sounded rude in my first post, try to understand why many of us in the law enforcement community take offense to people that are not LEO's trying to obtain LEO controlled items (ie. badges, ID's, LEO stamped items like lower's, etc.). Many of us grow tired of the wanna be's, posers, holster sniffers, mall ninja's, etc. that like to think they are law enforcement but have not "been there and done that". 2 Detectives in my unit were involved in a fatal shoot out a couple nights ago. Both are OK and both are top notch cops....Many of us in Law Enforcment make sacrifices on a daily basis at all different levels. [red]I have survived an attempted murder, exposure to AIDS and Hepatitis, I have been kicked, punched, hit with foreign objects, spit on, cursed at, almost ran over, etc, etc, etc.[/red] [blue]ME TOO[/blue] So when we see someone who is trying to be like us, but they have not endured the sacrifices that we go through, it makes a guy feel like someone is stealing his glory. I'm not saying that is what you have done, just trying to give you a little insight. It is no different than a member of the US Military Special Operation Forces getting pissed when they see a guy wearing a Ranger, SEALs, Special Forces, etc. article (ie. hat, t-shirt, etc) and know that he was never a part of that unit, and did not go through the sacrifices that they endure on a daily basis. Cool we are fine. Registered Nurses see all that, and we can't hit back! Just remember the people that you need when you get rushed to the hospital. That's what I do. [:)] Thank you for the dialogue. You are appreciated for what you do! |
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Let me offer another sacrificial lamb (post?). [b]My motivation in buying the LEO lower: I have 5 AR15 [i]style[/i] rifles. None are rollmarked "AR15"[/b] I saw LEO marked AR lowers for sale at the local yokel fun show. I bought one. I thought it would be cool to have an AR that is actually marked "AR15". I've never been Military, or LE. I regret not going into the service. I salute, and support those of you who have who have given of yourselves to enter into the service of our country, state, county, or city. Without you, we would be just another septic tank. I have never, and will never try to pass myself off as a Veteran or LE. That just ain't right. Funny thought... My first thought, upon getting this lower, was to find someone to fill in the LEO/GOV/EXPORT text, and refinish it, so I didn't get any flak from the uniforms. I think I'll scrap that idea. Again, I thank you guys for your collective service. Fair enough? |
Hey, if all us gun owners are going to Hell, do we get preferred seating?  Back to the subject, any collector of almost anything will tell you that markings can make all the world of difference in value. And a true collector will have to have one of every variation. So having an AR lower marked for LEO only is just as important as the various manufacturers of WWII arms markings. And anytime someone tells me I can't have something just makes it all the more desirable. A character flaw, I suppose...naw. |
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