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Posted: 3/27/2004 10:42:54 AM EDT
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Has anyone here tried the Sully Stock. I did a search but couldn't find anything on it. It looks a little longer than the stubby stock offered at bushmaster. here is the link Thanks jaycat WWW.defensive-edge.net |
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The Sully Stock for the AR15/M16 weapon system is longer than the stubby stock. With the standard buttplate it is approximately 8-1/8" in length, and with the extra thick butt plate it is approximately 9-1/8" in length. We just are milling in the sling slots on the first run of OD-green and should be shipping those this week. I have posted a few links to some reviews, as well as for some other opinions you might check at www.tacticalforums.com www.lightfighter.com and www.glocktalk.com Here is the SWAT Magazine Review: [URL=http://www.defensive-edge.net/page1.html]SWAT Magazine buttstock review [/URL] [/B][/QUOTE] Just received another well written review in the Accurate Rifle Magazine. [URL]http://www.defensive-edge.net/sullystockarticle1.html[/URL][/B] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=174711[/url][/quote] http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=187853&w=searchPop Stay Safe, Greg Sullivan "Sully" Chief Instructor www.thedefensiveedge.com |
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Quoted: Sully can explain why, but their website shows it as only working reliably with barrels 16" or shorter. How can that possibly be? Gotta be someone who doesn't know much about ARs or a lawyer wrote that up... But hey, that's good info to know, I'd better go pull the shorty stocks off my 20" ARs this afternoon... [;)] edited to add a 'lil smiley wink... heh |
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[8P]"I hope nobody has bong water breath"[@:D][puke] Forest, The ERGO and the Hogue grips both come in OD-Green. I am awaiting arrival of an ERGO for my custom dissipator. On the 16" or shorter barrel issue, will the Sully Stock for the AR15/M16 weapon system work on any length barrel??? Absolutely YES!!! I have them installed on my 20" A2 models as well as some 24" bull barrel models, and all function just fine. When we took the prototype of our stock system to DPMS, we were told that since we use a short buffer tube with a CAR buffer and CAR spring, that we should only recommend this set up for 16" or shorter barrels. We were told that function and reliability is not an issue, but what you would see is a little more excess wear and tear over extended time. I am a SWAT Cop and a weapons and tactics trainer and not a firearms design engineer or a machinist, so I rely on the information that is given by people that know more about it than I. Stay Safe, Greg Sullivan "Sully" Chief Instructor www.thedefensiveedge.com |
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None of this is known to be true or even close to what really happens. Well, one fact. Rifle buffers are heavier than carbine buffers. What I think. Rifle barrels have gas ports drilled taking into consideration that the rifle length buffer is heavier than the carbine and that it will typically be used with a rifle length buffer. Carbine barrels are drilled taking into consideration that they will normally be used with the lighter carbine buffers. In short, the assault weapons ban screwed up the reciprecating mass and the velocity thereof. And also meaning that my 18" will work just fine with a carbine buffer. Then again, it is much easier to charge a rifle with a rifle buffer system than it is one with a carbine system. I don't know. |
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Quoted: Carbine barrels are drilled taking into consideration that they will normally be used with the lighter carbine buffers. In the CAR length gas system, gas port size is directly related to the amount of barrel remaining after the gas port. On a CAR gas system as the barrel length increases, from say 11.5" to 16", the gas port sizes decrease as the gas system is pressurized longer... The CAR gas system has a habit of creating a pressure 'spike' instead of a push due to the shorter length of the system and shorter barrels used... a 'rifle' weight buffer is one way of smoothing out this gas spike... Well, one fact. Rifle buffers are heavier than carbine buffers. The standard rifle buffer is 5.2 ounces... Personally, I'd use the Sully or any shorty stock with a 9mm 5.5 ounce or Colt tungsten heavy 5.5 ounce buffer... the wear and tear is reduced, along with possible extraction and gas 'spike' issues created by the shorter gas system... |
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Quoted: Personally, I'd use the Sully or any shorty stock with a 9mm 5.5 ounce or Colt tungsten heavy 5.5 ounce buffer... the wear and tear is reduced, along with possible extraction and gas 'spike' issues created by the shorter gas system... That's exactly what I had in mind...[:D] |
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Quoted: Forest, The ERGO and the Hogue grips both come in OD-Green. I am awaiting arrival of an ERGO for my custom dissipator. Sully, Yeah but neither of them can store a set of spares for my Surefire 650... Also the Hogue had a tendancy to interfer with the safety making it harder to operate (my buddy has Hogues on all his ARs and I've notice the problem with all of them). Now if they would make the Ergo with a trap door compartmen, then you'd really be onto something. |
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Quoted: Falcon is now making a plug for their Ergo grips; [url=bushmaster.com/shopping/buttstocks/arg4335.asp]Ergo grip plug[/url] BAH! the plugs suck. They get ripped out at the most inopportune times (I tried the ones for the A2 grip). I want a trap door system with a positve latch like the Battlegrip or my current Lone Star trapdoor pistol grip. I picked up some new 'plastic primer' which is supposed to allow me to paint this type of plastic (and have it stand up to some abuse). I plan on trying it out as soon as I can. . |
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Forest, I just did my first run at Duracoat today. I will see how it holds up. I sprayed out several barrels, receivers, and some handguards in OD-green. I have been told it holds up well, but again it is my first experience with it. I will put it to the test the next few weeks during several Rifle Instructor and Armoring courses. I have to say that it sprayed very evenly and easily. Stay Safe, Greg Sullivan "Sully" Chief Instructor www.thedefensiveedge.com |
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