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1/22/2004 6:45:37 AM EDT
This is my first post here...so welcome me and bear with my ignorance...I'm totally new to the AR.

So I'm looking to buy my first AR, and I have no clue what's what in terms of models, styles, brands, EVERYTHING. Someone give me the low down on what you'd recommend for a FIRST AR, along with some attributes I should be looking for as far as quality goes.
One question I also had...A1? A2? M4? What's the differences? Can someone post pics of each in stock form, and point them out to me?
I'm on a budget too, so try to stick with things that have a good mix of quality/price, this is only my first one so I don't think I really need it to be too fancy.
A couple things I came across recently that fit my budget were a Hesse Arms Vulcan Dispatcher for around $600, which to me seemed to be junk but I've been wrong before, and a DPMS Panter Lite for $700...

Anyways this is getting too long...sorry. So can someone please point me in the right direction as far as the basics of a good first AR style rifle? Thanks for any info!! I'm normally a Glock-o-holic, but recently had a hankering for a good rifle to tool around with...

1/22/2004 6:59:47 AM EDT
[#1]
Friends don't let friends buy Hesse. If you're looking for quality&price, go for Rock River Arms go to the industry partner section of the site and take a look, bout the best you can get for the money. I've had Colts and the RRA's are some of the best I've shot. Good Luck and welcome to the addiction. Oh, by the way....A1- older, Vietnam era rifles, A2=generally, standard 20" barrel, but also is standard for the carry handle assoc. with M16/AR's   M4= generally an A2 with 16" barrel, but there are endless configurations :) hope it helps
1/22/2004 7:06:38 AM EDT
[#2]
Bushmaster is also a really good brand.  You could pick up a used one in that price range probably.

But if you really want good advice, you need to say what purpose you want the rifle for.
1/22/2004 7:17:08 AM EDT
[#3]
M4:
[img]www.appliedinc.com/m4c.jpg[/img]
[img]www.appliedinc.com/m4a3.jpg[/img]
[img]www.appliedinc.com/seal_afghan.jpg[/img]

A2:
[img]www.appliedinc.com/ar15preban.jpg[/img]

Check your IM.
1/22/2004 7:24:41 AM EDT
[#4]
Ok so Hesse is out I'm guessing...

You didn't reply to my mention of DPMS...I'll wait for more on that...

I'm looking for an all around target, hunting, home defense, multi-gun match rifle.

The shorter length is about all I really think I would require, for easier handling while hunting and in practical shooting matches, so an M4 seems to be my best starting point?
1/22/2004 7:34:21 AM EDT
[#5]
DPMS is'nt bad, but don't go with the Bare-@$$ model. If you're looking for an all around model, I would go with a M4 flattop, bout the most versitile with everything you're wanting...especially home defense. You can effectively hunt with it (depending on what you're trying to drop) and do a lot with it, best you can do is lurk around here for a week or two and read what people have to say. You can do almost anything you want to with a 20" A2, but it requires practice. Its mostly about personal Preferrence. You might want to think about building your own rifle as weel, its not as hard as you would think.
1/22/2004 8:12:50 AM EDT
[#6]
I think that you will want a chrome bore, so that leave Bushmaster, Colt, or some Rock River M4 barrels that ARE NOT light under the handguards.

Other people will fill in the blanks with various ideas, preferences, and options.

I could build an upper for you, or see if I already have one.  Competitive pricing.

I know that we have a flat-top A2 style upper with a 16" Bushmaster Superlight barrel and standard or M4 handguards and could get a Rock River bolt/carrier/charging handle for another $100 with purchase of an upper.

If you are interested, email me.
1/23/2004 7:01:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Oh this should explain some of the differences:
[url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/whatisana1a2a3ora4.msnw[/url]

Since you are new to ARs this articles covers the basics: [url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/newtoar15s.msnw[/url]

If the firearm is to be used for home defense then you'll definately want a Colt 6400 or a Bushmaster M4 or Bushmaster Lightweight. (all 3 of these are compact, light, and very reliable).

BTW since you are new might I suggest heading over to [url]http://www.MD-AR15.com[/url] and reading some of the FAQs and articles.  The site is setup for the AR newbie.  Once you've digested that, come back here and get your answers on the more specific/relevant questions.
1/23/2004 10:35:22 AM EDT
[#8]
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Oh this should explain some of the differences:
[url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/whatisana1a2a3ora4.msnw[/url]

Since you are new to ARs this articles covers the basics: [url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/newtoar15s.msnw[/url]

If the firearm is to be used for home defense then you'll definately want a Colt 6400 or a Bushmaster M4 or Bushmaster Lightweight. (all 3 of these are compact, light, and very reliable).

BTW since you are new might I suggest heading over to [url]http://www.MD-AR15.com[/url] and reading some of the FAQs and articles.  The site is setup for the AR newbie.  Once you've digested that, come back here and get your answers on the more specific/relevant questions.
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