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Posted: 11/6/2003 6:55:21 PM EDT
I have been mulling over a rail system for my mid-lenghth carbine and I want to get some informed opinions. I am running an Eo-Tech and want a verticle fore grip and a tailcap switched 9v Surefire. I want to be able to keep my front sight post which both the SIR and the Daniel's Defense 9.0 allow. I also considered the Knight's MRE but they are currently out of production. They are all in the same ballpark pricewise. Looks like the D.D. 9.0 is a little lighter according to a previous post.

What are your personal preferences and why?

Are ther other options that I should be considering?

I wear a medium sized glove and I worry a little about reaching the tailcap with my thumb, and i just read in another post that the SIR rails put accessories a little further away from the weapon.

Seems like I saw a post that indicated that not all VFG's work with the SIR. Anybody know?

I have seen no negative info on either. The guys who have SIR's seem to love them. Just need a push in the right direction, been thinking this over for awhile. Thanks, dg.

Link Posted: 11/6/2003 7:56:02 PM EDT
I have made as clear as I know how many times what the reasons are that I prefer the SIR's. One thing that I didn't mention is that there are ways that alow the flashlights, etc. to be attached directly to the side of the SIR hand guards using the track the selective rails do. Doing it this way puts the attachment closer to the side of the hand guard reach than attaching to any dovetail, almost built in. There are other devices coming that will also plug into the sockets along the side upper portion of the SIR top, that go to a wiring harnes that also will be putting push buttons in the lower polymer hand guard. So I'd say if you want provisions ready made for the future of things to come, go with the SIR, instead of plain alum rails and thats al you get. That's one of the reasons that the cooling ability was built in, electronic's of the future. Good shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 11/6/2003 8:49:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2003 1:29:21 PM EDT by Capn_Crunch]
Ditto what Jack said. I was planning on using the PRI forearm on my "six-point-something" project, then remembered seeing the pics of the SIR #59 with the AMPS rig on it... BTW, I use a SIR #50 and have no probs using a side mount push-button surefire with my VFG. Cap'n Pics: [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3790DSC03648.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3790DSC03547.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3790DSC01781.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3790MyCarbine2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/3790DSC037473222.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/8/2003 9:23:09 PM EDT
What's a Daniels Defense 9.0? Looked around for it online but found squat. Cheers m
Link Posted: 11/8/2003 9:34:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2003 9:34:51 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
[url=http://www.danieldefense.com/store/cart.asp?catid=3]Daniel Defense Forearms[/url] Nice Strider Capn
Link Posted: 11/8/2003 10:02:19 PM EDT
Thanks champ!
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 3:40:56 AM EDT
You wont find a lot of people around here using the Daniel Defense forearms. Its not becasue they are not good but becasue noone wants to be one of the first people to get one. I would suggest you decide how important weight is to you and make a decision based off that.
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 4:27:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 6:24:46 AM EDT
I've got one of the new DD 9's I really like it. I had a c-more tube before, no comparison in quality. The DD is a better profile, slimmer than the round tubes. It's much lighter weight as well. Shipping time was great too, it arrived a few days after I placed my order. Also, it comes with a full set of the rubber side-panels.
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 8:45:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: [url=http://www.danieldefense.com/store/cart.asp?catid=3]Daniel Defense Forearms[/url] Nice Strider Capn
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What he said! On both!
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 9:33:24 AM EDT
For those who haven't seen our mid-length handguards: [img]http://a0.cpimg.com/image/7C/CA/25139580-581d-020000B0-.jpg[/img] southern
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 12:20:22 PM EDT
Southern, I assume that you represent Daniel Defense, so I was hoping that you could answer a few questions. Why did you guys decide to go with an aluminum barrel nut and not one made of steel? Weight? Cost? I ask because I really like your FF forends, but I am a bit hesitant to commit due to the barrel nut. Any problems with the aluminum nut during high heat or hard use? Will the KAC barrel nut fit your product? Thanks.
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 1:31:22 PM EDT
NYPatriot, I try to break our stuff before you get the chance to by personally testing our designs before they go into production. With 1000's of rounds, including FA fire, and hundreds of handguards shipped, we have yet to see a single problem with our nuts. Aluminum is lighter but if we had found that it did not perform we would have opted for steel. I don't believe our nuts will interchange w/KAC's. southern [url]www.danieldefense.com[/url]
Link Posted: 11/9/2003 1:36:33 PM EDT
Thanks for the kind words. I think Wes knows where the VLTOR and ARMS parts came from [LOL] I personally like the DD stuff, and I plan on using one of their short FFRAS systems on my 10.5" (when i get the $$$ for a LMT) but I just figured the SIR fit my needs on this gun better. For my next build (midlength GP) I'm going to run a SIR #58... If anybody would build a 16-16.5" midlength semi-LW 4150 steel chrome lined 1/7" twist barrel. [brick] -Cap'n
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 6:05:32 AM EDT
I prefer the DD system, I have three, a rifle legnth,carbine legnth, and the new mid legnth. I replaced my ARMS SIR #58 (mid) with the DD 9.0 mainly because the SIR top rail is too tall for my TA11 with #19s.Although it's nice to have less weight and small diameter handguard.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 7:16:00 AM EDT
Thanks fellas. Liked the close-up pics of the SIR, I could never see from the ARMS website etc. how the ARMS #40 fit into the rail. dg.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 8:59:50 AM EDT
I'm planning on getting a D.D. midlength handguard soon. In fact, I'm planning on getting a complete DD mid-length upper when they become available. I have nothing against ARMS but it seems like everyone around here has one (or 3) and I'd like something different, more unique.
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