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very nice pics! that buffer tube with the vltor logo on it is a nice touch.
cheers, MM |
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Two days!? I emailed Wes one night and it was on my door step the next day [:d] I don't know how he does it.
I keep kicking myself for having bought a Colt tube from Brownells for $120 something..[buttkick] |
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Vltor is making buffer tubes for their stocks now?!? Thats really great news? How much for their tube? I may have to sell off my Colt stock and tube to replace it with the Vltor insignia edition!!! [:D]
I got the Clubfoot for the same reason you did. I actually like the way the club foot looked less than the standard, but I did appreciate the added functionality it offers. I put mine on a RAS II gun though. Haha I like the peace pin on the stock! See that, yet another useful inovation possible only with the modstock [;)] The cheek weld is second to none, I agree. But I have not tried to see how that helps keeping the rifle shouldered with one hand. I'll have to give it a try! [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb9a8826a39adc69c4579dc4b70252027/fb694672.jpg.[/img] |
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New arguy I think the pin says Peace through superior firepower, no hippies here [:)]
On another note, anyone knows what the skunk works at Vltor is working on? Wes won't say... Or was it released already like the A1 length stock? I'd like to see new development on the modularity aspect of the stock. |
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Vltor rules.
Yojimbo is right on about the cheek weld helping with one handed shooting. Locks the gun right into your shoulder. Its everything Ive wanted in a CAR stock. Ive GOT to get one of their buffer tubes. That logo is hella-cool. |
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I really like that stock. Now, I just need a pre-ban that I could put it on.
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Quoted: I really like that stock. Now, I just need a pre-ban that I could put it on. View Quote Haha, that reminds me when I bought a HK USP .40 one day because I found a box of .40 ammo in my drawer somewhere. |
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Wow, when did they start coming out with their own buffer tubes?
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Yojimbo,
Hope you don't mind if I add some of my own POV, I promised Eric over at Vltor, I would post a few words, when I ordered mine. Also, my pics are nowhere near the quality of yours, but they are simply more pics, pretty much already covered by you, but figured it couldn't hurt. 1. The fit/ finish is flawless w/ the lower. I did have some trouble w/ clearance of the center pin on the KAC sling swivel mt. A file to the center pin cured that w/ plently pin left to center the tube/plate. 2. The black is a slight shade off of Colt's, but a nice full black, nonetheless, and a near identical match to "BM" black. Even and deep color. Excellent. 3. The fit w/ the Vltor stock is 100%, snug, rattle free, smooth, no sticking, when sliding. Excellent. 4. The Vltor emblem? A beautiful touch Eric. 5. The stock itself, has been often reviewed so I won't beat a dead horse, here, but, let it be known, I love both of mine, and require nothing more from a carbine stock. Haven't tried a rifle length on a long gun, but for "Car"s, I can't see what more I'd need, unless it hasn't been invented yet. I would like to ask Eric, if he could see his way through to making a rifle length, or longer than "Car" length batt. tube for the "Car" stocks. I know a mod. can turn the rifle lengths into usable "car" length tubes, but I'd like a factory finish and a second mounting attachment point on the batt. tubes. I'm paranoid I know, but hey, that's me. In total, Vltor's tubes surpass Colt's in that they have a 5th pos. and in every other way are identical in quality and workmanship. They are much less expensive by the way. Vltor's tube/stock combo are virtually the same price as Colt's setup w/ many more features and options. Colt!, get out of the way. Vltor's reps/owners are gentlemen, 100% IMB, they went the extra mile, or two, to get me my stock. They bent over backwards, when they didn't have to. Their company, their people are what this industry should be about and they deserve our business. Thank you Eric, thank you Chen. Enjoy guys. S2. |
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I have to join S2 in complimenting Eric's fine products and outstanding customer service. This week I ordered an A1 rifle clubfoot for a project gun and asked Eric for a clubfoot carbine to T&E on our issue M4s. Two days later, the stocks arrived.
They weren't out of the box 5 minutes before Hilton, our team's gear guru, was on the phone with Eric ordering himself one. Talk about shiny kit syndrome [:)]. I haven't broke it to him yet but I don't think Eric will be getting the other stock back. My M4 wouldn't forgive me. Looks like I'll be ordering one of his new buffer tubes so I can use both stocks on my project gun. |
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I predict that Vltor will far eclipse anything that [b]might[/b] happen with the fabled Crane stock, and at a substantially lower price.
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Do I have to buy a buffer tube or can I just use the regular M4 tube?
Thanks FREE |
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Quoted: Do I have to buy a buffer tube or can I just use the regular M4 tube? Thanks FREE View Quote Freefall, If you have the Colt sized mil-spec tube it will work with the Vltor. If you have a third party such as RRA, Bushmaster, Armalite, etc. you will need to get a the Vltor or Colt tube. Hope this helps! BTW, welcome home and thank you for the great job![:D] |
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THE VLTOR STOCKS WILL WORK WITH A MIL-SPEC OR COLT TUBE.
THEY WILL NOT WORK WITH A BUSHMASTER, ROCK RIVER, OR OTHER AFTERMARKET TUBE. LMT DOES INDEED MAKE MIL-SPEC TUBES. BUT, VLTOR DOES NOT GET THEIR TUBES FROM LMT. WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Excellent post! A Vltor is definitely on my list of gear for a carbine I'll be building soon.
Yojimbo - What pistol grip is that on your carbine? It looks like a nice grip plus it has the "duckbill" that fills the finger-eating gap. |
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Jimbo and Sulaco-
You both wrote an excellent write-up. 6-months ago, I wrote a similar and very positive write-up of the Rifle Modstock on my SR25. I'm a firm Vltor believer. I feel like I part of the [i]Vltor Army[/i]. They Rock! Now I have two Vltors and I can't wait to see what Eric and the boys have planned next. When I saw Eric at the Seattle gunshow back in May, he said that "wonderful things are coming". Great, we look forward to them. I will need to contact Wes. The tube (Colt) I bought from him is showing some wear, I guess I need to get the credit card ready and buy a Vltor tube. ls |
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HERE'S WHERE YOJIMBO GOT HIS:
[URL]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=170521&w=myTopicPop[/URL] WE'VE GOT ALL MODEL VLTOR MODSTOCKS, VLTOR STOCK TUBES...... ..... PLUS TUBE NUTS, CARBINE RECOIL SPRINGS, "H" BUFFERS, RECEIVER END PLATES, RECEIVER END PLATES WITH AMBI H-K LOOPS, DIETER/CQD RECEIVER END PLATES WITH AMBI H-K LOOPS, CQD SLINGS, DIETER/BLACKHAWK SLINGS, ETC. WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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For New-arguy....
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb9a8826a39adc69c4579dc4b70252027/fb694672.jpg[/img] Good choice. I absolutley LOVE the VLTOR rifle Modstock I got from MSTN. Was everything I wanted and more. My only regret is not getting the clubfoot, simply because I think it "might" have looked a bit cooler, but, the standard one I got works just fine. [:D] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid74/p7d63d044d4e22b18ad668eab65dc1bc7/fb62cd77.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p38db7af7f67e16311f8258436b93f356/fb570a04.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p0386eed4dd64e4e64275348b45f38b4c/fb570a0a.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p6286f008eb905a89507196c697fbb3c8/fb6f79a8.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid74/pd11b22bea6b7168c0c6b43a53505227c/fb6516f9.jpg[/img] |
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Nice looking rifles. I've got an A1 length Clubfoot however I'm awaiting an reciver extension so I can mount it. I'll post up a picture of it once I do so. I only wish they made a post-ban carbine stock version.
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Thanks guys, for all nice comments!
I'd like to add that I agree with Sulaco2 and I'd like to see a full length carbine battery storage attachment. I'd like to be able to store three DL-123's or two AA's in each compartment! I don't think you need to be able to open the battery compartment from both sides so just going through the front would be fine by me. Wes, Thanks for setting the record straight on LMT not manufacturing the tubes. I talked to a guy who had a buch of 5 position buffer tubes from LMT. Since that was the only company we've ever saw making 5 position tubes we thought they muse be making them for Vltor. What do I know...[;)] DBerryhill, The pistol grip is the Battlegrip by Tangodown. Yes it has the duckbill and it works great! Very ergonomic and stores two AA batteries form my EOTech 552! Hawkeye, Love that Dissy![:D] |
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Quoted: I'd like to add that I agree with Sulaco2 and I'd like to see a full length carbine battery storage attachment. I'd like to be able to store three DL-123's or two AA's in each compartment! View Quote Jimbo- I agree with you guys. I couldn't wait, I did my own conversion. I used my rifle Modstocks for the conversion. Now I have more then enough room for the batteries. When I called Vltor to order more rifle Compartments, I told them what I've done. Eric (Vltor GM) replied that Vltor will be doing a similar modification, for their production version. So be patient, bigger tubes are on there way! ls [img]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/18991stockmod2-med.jpg[/img] |
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The Vltor tube looks l=nice, looks like I will have to buy me a couple. does anyone l=know if the tube is machined or forged?? really doesn't matter to me, but the Colt factory tube is a forged piece.
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Lordstoner,
That's good news, thanks for the update. Way to be Eric, responsiveness to customer input keeps companies alive. Glad to see it, thanks. S2 |
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You've already done a great amount of work, but do you have measurements of the stock completely collapsed and fully extended?
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COLT AND/OR MILSPEC TUBES ARE MADE BY THE HAMMER EXTRUSION METHOD. THE VLTOR TUBES ARE MACHINED TO MILSPEC DIMENSIONS FROM STOCK. PLUS, THE VLTOR TUBES ARE 5-POSITION.
WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Wes, I know some details of manufacturing, like forging's better than casting, but "hammer extrusion"?
So, in simpler tongues: "...Vltor good, Colt bad..." I get it right? Thanks, as usual -S2 |
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Any constant profile cross section can be produced by extrusion, basically forcing molten metal through a die under pressure with a ram or hammer. Just like a pastry bag or toothpaste tube. Aluminum and thermoplastics ae the most commonly extruded materials.
Since the bottom rail needs to be sloped and the holes drilled, there is some post-extrusion machining required. Not to mention welding on the end caps and cutting the threads. I don't like to doubt Wes, but if these tubes are machined from a billet they would cost more than the stock. |
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THE VLTORS ARE NOT HAMMER EXTRUDED. THEY ARE I KNOW MACHINED, BUT BUT FROM PERHAPS A SECTION OF HEAVIER TUBING, A CONVENTIONAL EXTRUSION.
SULACO2, HALF RIGHT. COLT/MILSPEC = GOOD VLTOR = GOOD WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Is the Colt/Milspec tube one of the patented Colt M4 improvements? Is it different than the original XM177/CAR15 tube? And where did everyone else get their differing dimensions?
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Heres a picture of my A1 length Clubfoot on my M4. Just got it mounted after not realizing I needed a receiever extension [:)]
[img]http://home.comcast.net/~gtcrispy/vltorar15_5.jpg[/img] |
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Quoted: Heres a picture of my A1 length Clubfoot on my M4. Just got it mounted after not realizing I needed a receiever extension [:)] [url]http://home.comcast.net/~gtcrispy/vltorar15_5.jpg[/url] View Quote Looks Great! What happen to your other receiver extension? ls |
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I think the VLTOR is a great addition to the AR world! I was amazed at how tight and solid it feels. No rattle at all and the batt. compartments make for great cheek welds!
Yep, I know this has all been stated b'fore but I gotta keep an eye on this thread[:D] |
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I never had the extension because the lower came with the postban CAR stock...Unfortunately I didn't realize this till I had the stock in my hands and no way to mount it [:D]
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Quoted: I never had the extension because the lower came with the postban CAR stock...Unfortunately I didn't realize this till I had the stock in my hands and no way to mount it [:D] View Quote I never heard of Stinger Arms. Is it a good quality lower? Were is Stinger Arms located? Horik- Yes, I totally agree, it is a great addition to the AR world. [:)] Which version do you have? ls |
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Quoted: I never heard of Stinger Arms. Is it a good quality lower? Were is Stinger Arms located? View Quote The lower is made up in Tumwater, WA. They're sold here on the board by Iblis. Theres the Mega lowers and Stinger Arms. Basically the same thing except a different logo and the Mega comes with a gator grip on front of the magwell. Everytime I've read a comment by someone who bought one, it has been very positive. He sells them for around $89 stripped and I bought mine for about $200 complete.. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=153544&w=myTopicPop[/url] is his thread. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I never heard of Stinger Arms. Is it a good quality lower? Were is Stinger Arms located? View Quote The lower is made up in Tumwater, WA. They're sold here on the board by Iblis. Theres the Mega lowers and Stinger Arms. Basically the same thing except a different logo and the Mega comes with a gator grip on front of the magwell. Everytime I've read a comment by someone who bought one, it has been very positive. He sells them for around $89 stripped and I bought mine for about $200 complete.. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=153544&w=myTopicPop[/url] is his thread. View Quote Thanks. That's in my neck of the woods. I'll have to give them a call. ls |
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