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Posted: 6/5/2003 2:33:53 PM EDT
that would make a nice poll. It seems that everyone likes the shortys now. I did have a colt m-4 but got sick of it. I like the 20" uppers(rifles) better.I think my reason is the sight radius.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 4:49:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 4:49:38 PM EDT by KevinB]
16" midlength - optic It's going to be hot...
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:50:08 PM EDT
M4's and SPR's are cool and all but I personally have a thing for 20's. SO I have my post-ban Bushamster 20" A3 and am building a A4 on a pre-ban Colt Lower. Some buddies of mine like M4's because they had them when they were in the military and I'm sure others like them cause SF uses them and so they are considered "High Speed". :)
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 6:21:43 PM EDT
I like 20" in A2 config and 14.5" or 16" in M4 config.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 11:59:12 PM EDT
Another vote for the 20s! [:)] I'll don't think I would want to own anything shorter than 20" without having a FS on it, and since I can't afford a preban I won't be owning a 16" until after next fall.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:01:49 AM EDT
I like 20's for the longer sight radius. Make those longer shots easier. I would like a carbine too, but right now I only have my 20 inch.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:38:15 AM EDT
20" guns are too long for any purposes I may have.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 7:48:19 AM EDT
I think the m-4's look the coolest but th 20" is more fun to shoot. only because you can shoot at longer ranges. I have a hard time shooting at over 200 yards with a short sight radius. if I was on a swat team I would want a 16" with the mid length handguards. I also agree about the post ban shortys they don't look right without a flashhider.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 8:16:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KevinB: 16" midlength - optic It's going to be hot...
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I am with kevin on this one, but I always am(usually). Midlengths with rail systems and optics are going to get hot, especially after the ban goes. It is just the logical way.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 10:48:22 AM EDT
I dont use the irons except as a back up so the sight radius means little to me. If I wanted a rifle with a 20" barrel it would be a 7.62x51mm.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 11:56:35 AM EDT
Give me a 20" A1 any day of the week. That 7 pound rifle is way better than a 11 pound gadgetized M4. GG
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 2:31:27 PM EDT
Interesting question. I'd be willing to bet that the combined numbers of ARs sold by all the manufacturers the majority are 20". [b]But[/b] A poll at this site would yield that most members prefer a 16" of some sort (M4, HBAR, pencil barrel). I personally prefer the M4 profile but i'd sure like to try out a lightweight pencil barrel someday.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 8:01:41 PM EDT
16" w/ optics for everything. 20" irons for 100+ yards. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 2:21:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: I dont use the irons except as a back up so the sight radius means little to me. If I wanted a rifle with a 20" barrel it would be a 7.62x51mm.
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lol Don't you mean greater then 20", I know my REM 700P is 26".
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 7:34:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 8:29:50 PM EDT by Gunzilla]
I sell 2 different top ends that are based on the 16" barrel with mid length gas system in sort of a dissipater set-up (gas block under full length FF handguards, front site forward). Both of these uppers are gaining popularity, I would say that in the last few weeks, request for these has surpassed the M4 style upper. Keep in mind, these are mostly for LE buyers who are looking for a shorter rifle though. nearly all of the orders I get for 20" barrels are some sort of precision rifle. [img]www.gunzilla.com/images/dualing_uppers.jpg[/img] Edited to add a (crappy) picture for comparison, the 16" w/FF tube uses a mid-length gas system and maintains full length sights. It is just a tad longer than the 14.5 w/phantom -- Overall, the package is just as handy but has the full sight radius and mid-length gas tube... and it really does not look bad?
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 2:09:56 PM EDT
I built a 16" midlength because for me, it was the perfect compromise of easy handling/decent sight radius. Since this will be a "hiking" gun, I wanted no optics--so the sight radius was a priority.
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 2:14:47 PM EDT
I think 11.5" barrels are far superior. [;)]
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 3:06:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: 20" guns are too long for any purposes I may have.
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Does this mean you are giving up your M16A4 clone project? Do I have to post another pic to convince you? Me. I like 'em all - 14.5, 16, 18, 20....
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 6:19:57 AM EDT
14.5 or 16" for 5.56. I have an M1A for a full length rifle. Alex
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 6:33:19 AM EDT
One of each.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 2:56:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 3:21:02 PM EDT
One of each, is the best answer.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 7:57:14 AM EDT
Some people asking... the handguards on the M4 style upper are from RB Precision.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:13:47 AM EDT
Carbines are more popular. Easier to get in and out of vheicles with them. And everyone these days-civilian, LEO, or military, works out of a vheicle the majority of the time. The carbines are also lighter and better balanced, making them easier to work with once you have heaped on 4 pounds of gadgets. I own a 20" and I like shooting it, but living with it when your not shooting it can be a pain in the ass. Unless you have a specific need for the extra velocity, for match shooting, hunting or as a sniper weapon you are better off with the shorter gun. My next AR will be a 14.5" of some variety.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:27:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bsbg:
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: 20" guns are too long for any purposes I may have.
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Does this mean you are giving up your M16A4 clone project? Do I have to post another pic to convince you? Me. I like 'em all - 14.5, 16, 18, 20....
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Having a purpose for it and owning it are two different things [:D] I never neeeded a reason for having a particular gun.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:30:11 PM EDT
I really couldn't decide, so I put together one of each.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:51:39 PM EDT
Now have 20" A2 and 14.5" M4 [:D] Getting both is the best answer.
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