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Posted: 4/12/2023 1:19:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything that is fucking junk. Lose my fucking mind when people build anything cuz it’s cheap. Phases me people cheap out on something that will literally kill them. Might as well just play with fucking dynamite and hold on to it Overuse of f bombs in an attempt to be edgy aside, i agree with you. Fbook gun groups are full of that. "Builds" that make bca look quality in comparison |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 1:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those ATI Omni hybrids...was asked if I wanted to try a few shots through one from a guy thankfully a few lanes over...I politely declined. I have one i bought as a stripped lower and put a radical 457 socom upper on it in my early ar days. Im embarrassed everytime i see it in the safe 
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Posted: 4/12/2023 1:27:30 AM EDT
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I saw a citizen's build that looked like there was a combination of meth and blindness involved. I could not unsee the carcass of that poor forged 80%.
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Posted: 4/12/2023 5:04:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hesse Blackthorne Vulcan For those of you who don't know these are all the same company, the AR's they sold were so garbage they had to keep changing names to avoid the angry mob going after them with pitchforks and torches. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:47:10 AM EDT
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CBC Industries- havent heard anything on them for a while, but just checked and website is still up with products for sale
Davidsons Defense |
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Posted: 4/13/2023 4:59:59 PM EDT
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I'm not saying this because I only own DSA, because I own Colts as well, but I've over 1000 rounds through a complete DSA rifle, purchased 14.5 upper and lower separately, and close to a 1000 with a DSA lower with a 6920 upper, and cannot recall a single stoppage.
Only thing I did was replace the receiver extensions with BCM. I know that's not allot, but it is good enough for me to trust them. As far as lowest tier, I don't know, I've only owned Colt and DSA, but there's allot of places to research. Quick edit, the complete DSA rifle also has BCM BCG and charging handle. |
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Posted: 4/30/2023 9:16:14 AM EDT
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How are radical???
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Posted: 4/30/2023 10:34:07 AM EDT
[#8]
Probably the BCA stuff. Anybody can let a lemon slip on occasion but their stuff was pretty consistently bad. It's been a few years though so maybe they're doing better QC?
Aero stuff has been hit or miss for me also. Stopped buying their lowers awhile back. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:36:02 PM EDT
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Olympic Arms, they’re barrels were good but that was the ONLY thing
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:45:37 PM EDT
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The worst AR I’ve ever owned was an Anderson. Front sight was crooked, buffer retainer pin location was out of spec, failures to eject, and their “speed trigger” would light strike on 193 a good portion of the time. There was so much wrong with it I sold it to a pawn shop for $275 with full disclosure. The $125 loss was payment for the reminder of why I won’t buy $400 AR’s from anyone but PSA.
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those of you who don't know these are all the same company, the AR's they sold were so garbage they had to keep changing names to avoid the angry mob going after them with pitchforks and torches. It was probably also a way to avoid warranty claims. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:22:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are radical??? Radical is below Bear Creek … which makes Olympic Arms look good. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:27:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Olympic Arms, they’re barrels were good but that was the ONLY thing I had a factory assembled Olympic around 1992. It self disassembled. It was such an awful rifle I traded it to a shop as a box o’ parts. I did okay on the trade because I waited until after the 94 ban so as a preban the lower had value. I’m guessing the rest went in the dumpster. Ironically, my first AR was a SGW stop sign lower (Olympic) that I built up with one of those early 80’s gun show “poly bag kits”. Poly bag kits were surplused A1 parts with a semi auto FCG. The build worked well, but I quickly bought a factory Colt and sold the build. A few years later I bought a SGW full factory A1 (assume it was anyway … upper lower finish had the same terrible sheen / texture / somewhat “gloss”. That rifle was actually great. It was accidentally ran over by a tractor and didn’t even lose zero. About six years later the Olympic Carbine was a total disaster. A lot changed for them in a few years. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:36:07 PM EDT
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I stay away from off brands and I won't use anything from china, with that said I have bought some AR stoner from Midway which was cheap, luckily inexpensive parts.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 1:41:34 AM EDT
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i have 3 coworkers who bought the BCA complete 20" SS bull barrel uppers for coyote hunting this fall. and the one guy gave me shit for spending more money on a WOA SPR barrel and i said i dont go cheap...
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Posted: 5/7/2023 2:08:51 AM EDT
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The Carbon 15. Super lightweight but the receivers are generally crap. That said, if I could duplicate the 97s or even find one to convert to a .22, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. The receivers cracked and came apart pretty fast under 5.56, but they'd make a hell of a fun .22 converted rifle.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 9:52:34 AM EDT
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I don't know about "worst", but this is the cheapest AR I've seen in a while:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411561005/et+arms+plum+crazy+ar15+5.56x45+rifle+16+w+10+m-lok+fore-end+30+1 |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:14:54 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a citizen's build that looked like there was a combination of meth and blindness involved. I could not unsee the carcass of that poor forged 80%. "A citizen"? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the BCA stuff. Anybody can let a lemon slip on occasion but their stuff was pretty consistently bad. It's been a few years though so maybe they're doing better QC? Aero stuff has been hit or miss for me also. Stopped buying their lowers awhile back. Aero is consistently reliable for the vast majority of users. Im sorry youre having issues. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I stay away from off brands and I won't use anything from china, with that said I have bought some AR stoner from Midway which was cheap, luckily inexpensive parts. What constitutes an "off brand" its easier to just say "i only use colt or kac" as anything else is.. well, an off brand. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Radical is below Bear Creek which makes Olympic Arms look good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How are radical??? Radical is below Bear Creek which makes Olympic Arms look good. This  I wasted money years ago on a Radical Firearms upper that grouped worse than 12 gauge buckshot. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 4:09:16 PM EDT
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I sold off a Radical 11.5" upper with a Poverty Pony lower during the scamdemic for $100 more than I paid for it. What a POS it was. Full of shavings when I received it.
Just gifted a BCA 18" side charger complete rifle to my oldest daughter for yotes & hogs. Runs like a champ and not one issue. Shoots $.50 groups at 100 yrds w/ a Riton 3x9. Guess it was a good one. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:58:45 PM EDT
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Any complete rifle you buy you should give it the once over before firing. Always a good practice. I do not care who it is , mistakes happen. Some just more than others.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:41:53 PM EDT
[#24]
BCA is the Todd Bailey (aka Special Weapons/Bobcat Arms) of the AR world!
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:35:25 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BCA is the Todd Bailey (aka Special Weapons/Bobcat Arms) of the AR world! WHOA. That statement has some weight behind it. It’s almost like you’re saying BCA is the Century Arms of ARs. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 5:43:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WHOA. That statement has some weight behind it. It's almost like you're saying BCA is the Century Arms of ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BCA is the Todd Bailey (aka Special Weapons/Bobcat Arms) of the AR world! WHOA. That statement has some weight behind it. It's almost like you're saying BCA is the Century Arms of ARs. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 12:29:23 AM EDT
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I have a BCA x39 upper and 450bm upper and a complete 556 rifle.
I had to go through and rebuild all of them to get them up to standard but the parts themselves were fine. Their employees just don't know how to build guns. All 3 barrels are more than accurate enough. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 7:49:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a BCA x39 upper and 450bm upper and a complete 556 rifle. I had to go through and rebuild all of them to get them up to standard but the parts themselves were fine. Their employees just don't know how to build guns. All 3 barrels are more than accurate enough. This. I have been assembling ARs since 2004, 8 of those years as an 07 FFL, and parts can be assembled on a vastly sliding scale from drunk angry monkey to much better. A tight labor market is the same in the AR builder's world. Turn-over can effect quality as well. Well thought of brands have failed me at a much higher rate than lesser thought brands. Torture destructive testing videos prevalent on the inter-web are (to me personally) can be very entertaining and, to a bit lesser extent, informative. An all polymer ATI rifle catching the hand-guard on fire after ~400 rounds rapid fire "sawing" down a small tree comes to mind. And AR-15 consumers are not all going to be Seal Team Six opperators. Tom in Ottumwa, Iowa who wants a fun plinker that can handle the occational pest (or dinner) might not have as much desire to own a KAK with $3,000.00 worth of battle optics. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 12:54:28 PM EDT
[#29]
I have a upper by each that perfectly. Actually the Davidson is super accurate. I will say when it came it was out of spec though. The front take down pin hole was out of spec I gave it to my
Gunsmith and he fixed it. Outside of that 16.5" .223 Wylde barrel has been great. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:21:16 PM EDT
[#30]
That is an easy one.
Each and every manufacturer during a legislative scare after an election won by a socialist. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:05:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BCA is the Todd Bailey (aka Special Weapons/Bobcat Arms) of the AR world! Almost forgot that name…… 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:33:08 PM EDT
[#32]
OST.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:12:12 PM EDT
[#33]
I have a BCA 450 bushmaster upper that shoots 1.5moa. More accurate and reliable than it should be for the $280ish I paid for it
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:04:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Vulcan/Hesse
But I haven't heard that name in a long time. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:29:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone please contact the company before a thread like this accidentally goes viral, cratering them without even giving them a chance to resolve. It would be like if your card accidentally declined during an online purchase. Then the vendor went out and got all of your creditors to blacklist you for life without notifying you. The way the internet echo chamber snowballs a small mistake into a catastrophe nowadays is insane. It’s never the leadership that creates poor QC procedures that suffers. It’s the overworked/under trained grunt that loses everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've seen some bad home builds, but I've never heard of anything near that bad , nor would I have expected that from a manufacturer. You should get ahold of BCA and let them know one of their employees is an idiot. Someone please contact the company before a thread like this accidentally goes viral, cratering them without even giving them a chance to resolve. It would be like if your card accidentally declined during an online purchase. Then the vendor went out and got all of your creditors to blacklist you for life without notifying you. The way the internet echo chamber snowballs a small mistake into a catastrophe nowadays is insane. It’s never the leadership that creates poor QC procedures that suffers. It’s the overworked/under trained grunt that loses everything. If OP is telling the truth, this company shouldn't be operating. This is a firearm we're talking about. Safety is the most important aspect when build a firearm. It's not just one person that can be hurt. The damage this type of gun could cause is catastrophic. If OP hadn't been around to help his friend I can only imagine the level of shit they would've had to deal with, or what could've happened. And it sounds like the gun still doesn't work properly. This type of company shouldn't exist. Not only do companies like this ruin the experience for a new, budget orientated gun owner(while also potentially tainting their opinion in regards to firearms forever), it ends up putting people in legitimate danger because of their non existent QC and lack of standarrds. This wasn't some garden variety screw up. OP had a laundry list of problems. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 6:36:59 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Diamondback db10 308 that overall is surprisingly nice but the barrel was a complete POS. Couldn't get it to group anything better than minute of barn door. Put in a Ranier arms barrel and it's quite the nice shooter now. Had the exact same situation with a psa 6.5g. They offered to make it right but I wanted faxon. Now it's my favorite ar. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:29:34 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the BCA stuff. Anybody can let a lemon slip on occasion but their stuff was pretty consistently bad. It's been a few years though so maybe they're doing better QC? Aero stuff has been hit or miss for me also. Stopped buying their lowers awhile back. I've never had a problem with any BCA uppers I used (Never bought a complete rifle from them) |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 1:39:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Knights armament
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Posted: 5/29/2023 5:10:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Knights armament KAC makes the worst AR? Do tell. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:39:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone please contact the company before a thread like this accidentally goes viral, cratering them without even giving them a chance to resolve. It would be like if your card accidentally declined during an online purchase. Then the vendor went out and got all of your creditors to blacklist you for life without notifying you. The way the internet echo chamber snowballs a small mistake into a catastrophe nowadays is insane. It’s never the leadership that creates poor QC procedures that suffers. It’s the overworked/under trained grunt that loses everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've seen some bad home builds, but I've never heard of anything near that bad , nor would I have expected that from a manufacturer. You should get ahold of BCA and let them know one of their employees is an idiot. Someone please contact the company before a thread like this accidentally goes viral, cratering them without even giving them a chance to resolve. It would be like if your card accidentally declined during an online purchase. Then the vendor went out and got all of your creditors to blacklist you for life without notifying you. The way the internet echo chamber snowballs a small mistake into a catastrophe nowadays is insane. It’s never the leadership that creates poor QC procedures that suffers. It’s the overworked/under trained grunt that loses everything. thats hardly one little thing , thats a grocery list of issues |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:59:51 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats hardly one little thing , thats a grocery list of issues Yes, the rifle in question was shipped with too many issues to be considered a "Friday afternoon" gun. Based upon my other experiences with the brand and countless online complaints ... this isn't an "accident" as much as it is their standard. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:10:42 PM EDT
[#42]
RF!!!
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Posted: 5/30/2023 6:50:23 PM EDT
[#43]
I had a brand new LMT 16" carbine back in 05. It would not fire a single round out of the box. I live about 30 miles from them so went to the factory and had them look it over. The firing pin has busted the tip off. So they put a whole new bcg in to make sure it was ok and test fired it for me.
So does that make them junk? All of these makers can have bad guns. But some put out a lot more than they should be. Thats what happens when you have temp employees putting this stuff together |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 6:43:16 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a upper by each that perfectly. Actually the Davidson is super accurate. I will say when it came it was out of spec though. The front take down pin hole was out of spec I gave it to my Gunsmith and he fixed it. Outside of that 16.5" .223 Wylde barrel has been great. For the few dollars more paid to a smithto fix little issues you can usually get something much nicer. Stuff happens, sure, but companies that constantly change their names are doing so because they cannot or will not work to build a positive reputation. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 11:02:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the few dollars more paid to a smithto fix little issues you can usually get something much nicer. Stuff happens, sure, but companies that constantly change their names are doing so because they cannot or will not work to build a positive reputation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a upper by each that perfectly. Actually the Davidson is super accurate. I will say when it came it was out of spec though. The front take down pin hole was out of spec I gave it to my Gunsmith and he fixed it. Outside of that 16.5" .223 Wylde barrel has been great. For the few dollars more paid to a smithto fix little issues you can usually get something much nicer. Stuff happens, sure, but companies that constantly change their names are doing so because they cannot or will not work to build a positive reputation. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:31:48 PM EDT
[#46]
American Spirit Arms
I got a rifle from them that never ran well. Parted it out. I still have the bcg that won’t cycle in any AR I’ve tried it in. This was from back when I lived in the Phoenix metro area. Younger and didn’t know any better at the time. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2023 9:29:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hands down, this piece of shit! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111848/IMG_0001_Original_jpeg-2840533.JPG Pic is too blurry to make out the roll mark, what is it? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 7:56:10 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I sold off a Radical 11.5" upper with a Poverty Pony lower during the scamdemic for $100 more than I paid for it. What a POS it was. Full of shavings when I received it. Just gifted a BCA 18" side charger complete rifle to my oldest daughter for yotes & hogs. Runs like a champ and not one issue. Shoots $.50 groups at 100 yrds w/ a Riton 3x9. Guess it was a good one. Couple of us bought complete rifles from them in November when they were $337 shipped. Mine has been fine and accurate. I've run it with both 5.56 and a .22lr drop in kit without problems. This rifle has been an incredible value for me. I can't however say it would be a great gun for those who are not very familiar with ARs. The reason being that bargain guns as noted often have problems and someone who does not know enough to identify a problem and correct it, is going to get frustrated. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:28:45 AM EDT
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Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne I don’t think have anything to do with Todd Bailey. I believe Bailey was Bobcat and Special Weapons.
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