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Posted: 4/30/2024 8:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medieval_flail: Tacswap has lowers and complete rifles, EE recently although the only listing I see currently is one for $1k stripped (what a deal!) I'm not too read up on AAC but it seems like you can't get their stuff right now. I know some dudes did a group buy but I'm not sure if anything has even been delivered to them yet. So essentially the current 5.56 clone is unobtainable? As for the DA cans I'm real hesitant to drop 1k on something with so much bad press. Be nice if Dev used some stuff that isn't sus. For the group buy, Bauer asked for the FFL info for transferring the M4-2k cans, but I haven't seen a ship date. I also have the DA NSN marked can and it works fine to me. I haven't built my 5.56 and 300blk clones yet so I have only tested it on other rifles. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 8:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1Lou: For the group buy, Bauer asked for the FFL info for transferring the M4-2k cans, but I haven't seen a ship date. I also have the DA NSN marked can and it works fine to me. I haven't built my 5.56 and 300blk clones yet so I have only tested it on other rifles. Didn't know they marked some sandman's with an NSN. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 8:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: Dev is at the very least, still using the DA training can. From all the clones here, I think the DA can works fine for .300 blk. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Well at least they can still find use with sim munitions. "Baffle strikes" arnt harmful to those lol Throw some blue tape on it and you’ve cloned the sim gun 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 11:09:30 AM EDT
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So if Dead Air sucks, what's taking it's place? The AAC direct thread unobtanium can seen on the AAC 12.5 guns? The AAC SDN-6? Or something entirely new?
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: The AAC cans are still being built but I believe they are close. Didn't know they marked some sandman's with an NSN. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By M1Lou: For the group buy, Bauer asked for the FFL info for transferring the M4-2k cans, but I haven't seen a ship date. I also have the DA NSN marked can and it works fine to me. I haven't built my 5.56 and 300blk clones yet so I have only tested it on other rifles. Didn't know they marked some sandman's with an NSN. I misspoke. They say MIL not the NSN. SMS762-MIL for model and then SMS-MIL-XXXX for serial number. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:38:32 PM EDT
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So I just got a stripped lower. I got a Noveske buffer tube kit with QD endplate and their LPK w/o trigger in my cart. I'm wondering what else do I need for smaller components like trigger guard, buffer setup, etc. I really want to get this gun built right.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Temper: So I just got a stripped lower. I got a Noveske buffer tube kit with QD endplate and their LPK w/o trigger in my cart. I'm wondering what else do I need for smaller components like trigger guard, buffer setup, etc. I really want to get this gun built right. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: If you want it built right then make sure your buffer tube with "OTB" drainage holes and no logo, black nitride or 416 castle nut, trigger is SSF-X (SSA-X), H3 buffer, Magpul FDE plastic trigger guard and then the rest is personal preference. Link to buffer tube and castle nut? |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Temper: Link to buffer tube and castle nut? Nitride: https://www.simplemanarmory.com/product/castle-nut-mil-spec-nitride/ 416: https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-stocks-parts/416-nut-receiver-extension-hk416/ |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Temper: So I just got a stripped lower. I got a Noveske buffer tube kit with QD endplate and their LPK w/o trigger in my cart. I'm wondering what else do I need for smaller components like trigger guard, buffer setup, etc. I really want to get this gun built right. DEVGRU PARTS |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:12:57 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:28:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Temper: Link to buffer tube and castle nut? From what I can see, Noveske doesn't sell them anymore. You could get a Noveske tube and have the 4 rear holes drilled or get one of these. https://classified-defense.com/Schmid-Tool-Engineering%C2%AE--Buffer-Tube--6-Position--4-Hole--Mil-Spec_p_2326.html |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 4:33:26 PM EDT
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What are dudes doing to run magnifiers behind their scalarworks T2?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 4:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sevatar: What are dudes doing to run magnifiers behind their scalarworks T2? |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: G33 Sweet. Factory mount? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:22:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53705431736_b7b63c12ae_b.jpg 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:14:35 PM EDT
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I love these rifles guys and the origin of the clones. That being said I'm an MRP afficiando and have something similar to the DEVGRU carbines in this thread that I'd love to post in here so we could collectively and intelligently compare. I understand the point is moot as the specs of these rifles have already decided upon, down to the nitrided bolts for the rail (I think I'm correct) and those specs are the accepted criteria for this thread.
But, man, as cool as these rifles are I'd love to do a head to head! What's everyone's thoughts? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtdam24: I love these rifles guys and the origin of the clones. That being said I'm an MRP afficiando and have something similar to the DEVGRU carbines in this thread that I'd love to post in here so we could collectively and intelligently compare. I understand the point is moot as the specs of these rifles have already decided upon, down to the nitrided bolts for the rail (I think I'm correct) and those specs are the accepted criteria for this thread. But, man, as cool as these rifles are I'd love to do a head to head! What's everyone's thoughts? Its a discussion forum, start a new thread. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Its a discussion forum, start a new thread. Ha thanks I get it, preserving the subject matter of this thread is important and not opening the door to 50 people posting kit that's not in alignment with what this thread is about is imperative. Just a thought. Also you have a way with words, by chance do you write the sayings in Hallmark cards? Awesome reply, I was wondering what this board was all about! 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:58:19 PM EDT
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 Attached FileWent to the range real quick today and grouped 4 different ammos today: AAC VMAX 110 Gr. AAC Black tip 110 Gr. Barnes TAC-TX 110 Gr. Black Hills 125gr. OTM POA 1 was shot un suppressed. POA 2 was w/ can POA 3 was a ten round group. Here are the results at 100 yards:  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileI'm far from the best shot but figured someone might be interested in the results. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7255_jpeg-3210717.JPG Went to the range real quick today and grouped 4 different ammos today: AAC VMAX 110 Gr. AAC Black tip 110 Gr. Barnes TAC-TX 110 Gr. Black Hills 125gr. OTM POA 1 was shot un suppressed. POA 2 was w/ can POA 3 was a ten round group. Here are the results at 100 yards: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_4E15985A-79D8-4A58-ABED-09-3210721.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_AB0E2045-4646-4EFA-8026-17-3210722.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_0DAE70F7-E968-4A1E-BC5F-0B-3210723.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_7E528EF8-75A6-42E6-81CC-CE-3210725.JPG I'm far from the best shot but figured someone might be interested in the results. Really impressed with the 125gr! |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7255_jpeg-3210717.JPG Went to the range real quick today and grouped 4 different ammos today: AAC VMAX 110 Gr. AAC Black tip 110 Gr. Barnes TAC-TX 110 Gr. Black Hills 125gr. OTM POA 1 was shot un suppressed. POA 2 was w/ can POA 3 was a ten round group. Here are the results at 100 yards: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_4E15985A-79D8-4A58-ABED-09-3210721.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_AB0E2045-4646-4EFA-8026-17-3210722.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_0DAE70F7-E968-4A1E-BC5F-0B-3210723.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_7E528EF8-75A6-42E6-81CC-CE-3210725.JPG I'm far from the best shot but figured someone might be interested in the results. Better stock up on that 125. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:11:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: Makes me want a 2-10. Better stock up on that 125. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 1:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7255_jpeg-3210717.JPG Went to the range real quick today and grouped 4 different ammos today: AAC VMAX 110 Gr. AAC Black tip 110 Gr. Barnes TAC-TX 110 Gr. Black Hills 125gr. OTM POA 1 was shot un suppressed. POA 2 was w/ can POA 3 was a ten round group. Here are the results at 100 yards: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_4E15985A-79D8-4A58-ABED-09-3210721.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_AB0E2045-4646-4EFA-8026-17-3210722.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_0DAE70F7-E968-4A1E-BC5F-0B-3210723.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_7E528EF8-75A6-42E6-81CC-CE-3210725.JPG I'm far from the best shot but figured someone might be interested in the results. Great results. I wish more people would conduct and publish tests like this. Just did something very similar with my HBSD comparing the delta between various Supersonic and Subsonic rounds with my Eotech EXPS3-4 with a G33 mag. I found that the best combo for running both supers and subs out of the same optic is Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and Hornady 190gr Sub-X. Very predictable drops across all 4 dots at 50, 100, and 200 yards. The 110gr projectiles continue to rise at 200 so the drop difference between the supers and subs is just too large. I found a 17” difference in drop between the 110gr and 190gr rounds at 100 yards using the same zero. It’s closer to 10” with the 135gr and 190gr at 100 yards. I know this isn’t related to the DEV build but there needs to be more data points out there with Super and Subsonic performance using the same zero. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:08:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htxdriller: Great results. I wish more people would conduct and publish tests like this. Just did something very similar with my HBSD comparing the delta between various Supersonic and Subsonic rounds with my Eotech EXPS3-4 with a G33 mag. I found that the best combo for running both supers and subs out of the same optic is Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and Hornady 190gr Sub-X. Very predictable drops across all 4 dots at 50, 100, and 200 yards. The 110gr projectiles continue to rise at 200 so the drop difference between the supers and subs is just too large. I found a 17" difference in drop between the 110gr and 190gr rounds at 100 yards using the same zero. It's closer to 10" with the 135gr and 190gr at 100 yards. I know this isn't related to the DEV build but there needs to be more data points out there with Super and Subsonic performance using the same zero. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htxdriller: Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7255_jpeg-3210717.JPG Went to the range real quick today and grouped 4 different ammos today: AAC VMAX 110 Gr. AAC Black tip 110 Gr. Barnes TAC-TX 110 Gr. Black Hills 125gr. OTM POA 1 was shot un suppressed. POA 2 was w/ can POA 3 was a ten round group. Here are the results at 100 yards: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_4E15985A-79D8-4A58-ABED-09-3210721.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_AB0E2045-4646-4EFA-8026-17-3210722.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_0DAE70F7-E968-4A1E-BC5F-0B-3210723.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_7E528EF8-75A6-42E6-81CC-CE-3210725.JPG I'm far from the best shot but figured someone might be interested in the results. Great results. I wish more people would conduct and publish tests like this. Just did something very similar with my HBSD comparing the delta between various Supersonic and Subsonic rounds with my Eotech EXPS3-4 with a G33 mag. I found that the best combo for running both supers and subs out of the same optic is Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and Hornady 190gr Sub-X. Very predictable drops across all 4 dots at 50, 100, and 200 yards. The 110gr projectiles continue to rise at 200 so the drop difference between the supers and subs is just too large. I found a 17" difference in drop between the 110gr and 190gr rounds at 100 yards using the same zero. It's closer to 10" with the 135gr and 190gr at 100 yards. I know this isn't related to the DEV build but there needs to be more data points out there with Super and Subsonic performance using the same zero. For one I wanted to see how well the light weight barrel handled heat, so I did a 60 round mag dump and did another 10 round group of the black hills.  Attached FileThe reason I didnt originally include it is that the mirage from the can was so bad I couldn't tell if I was moving the rifle or it was the mirage. I did do 3 groups of subs but at this point I was pretty over being at a public range after getting asked if I was keeping my brass multiple times.  Attached FileI dialed 15 MOA from my orginal zero and these are the results. POA 1 is some Sellier-Bellot 200gr POA 2 is American Eagle 220 gr. POA 3 is AAC 220 otm Interestingly enough both POA 1 and 2 experienced a pretty crazy flier. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I did do two other "tests" but didn't include them as I don't think they were completely accurate. Not to say that those posted are because I believe some could've done better. For one I wanted to see how well the light weight barrel handled heat, so I did a 60 round mag dump and did another 10 round group of the black hills. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_7DEC5BE9-12E6-4F2D-8442-BE-3212042.JPG The reason I didnt originally include it is that the mirage from the can was so bad I couldn't tell if I was moving the rifle or it was the mirage. I did do 3 groups of subs but at this point I was pretty over being at a public range after getting asked if I was keeping my brass multiple times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/image_cropper_B7E665B9-622B-49D6-875A-24-3212046.JPG I dialed 15 MOA from my orginal zero and these are the results. POA 1 is some Sellier-Bellot 200gr POA 2 is American Eagle 220 gr. POA 3 is AAC 220 otm Interestingly enough both POA 1 and 2 experienced a pretty crazy flier. At what magnification were you shooting at? Any issues with your mil-dot reticle? Think you could have done better with the CQBSS or ATACR? |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:21:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: At what magnification were you shooting at? Any issues with your mil-dot reticle? Think you could have done better with the CQBSS or ATACR? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:18:05 PM EDT
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Just got the noveske LPK installed on my gen 1 lower after putting it off for a while. For my gun, the noveske mil spec trigger is trash compared to other mil-spec LPK's. Does anyone else have the same experience? Its way heavier and creepier than any other mil spec trigger I've used.
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HI, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:39:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gcdk13: Just got the noveske LPK installed on my gen 1 lower after putting it off for a while. For my gun, the noveske mil spec trigger is trash compared to other mil-spec LPK's. Does anyone else have the same experience? Its way heavier and creepier than any other mil spec trigger I've used. Wrong type of trigger for this setup. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 12:36:00 PM EDT
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I got the LPK just because I ordered the lower at the same time and couldn't bring myself to drop the $ on the giessele yet. Just seemed off how bad it is, but I guess it's not a big deal since it's just a place holder
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