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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else have the anti walk pins provided have too much side to side play on the lower, bout a mm to long? Don't think it would do anything bad but its annoying me and I think I'll have to get a KNS set. EDIT: now noticed Rare Breed sells just the FRT spring https://www.rarebreedfirearms.com/locking-bar-spring/ and antiwalk pin and antiwalk pin screws as seperate parts. Maybe they will the locking bar too. The provided anti walk pins suck. After about 4 mags the screws were halfway out. I replaced them with KNS pins. |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sear fix I wouldn't mind giving them $75 (at this point is just a drop in the ocean), but who are these guys? Anybody has direct experience with this company? Are they legit or am I find my trigger for sale on Gunbroker a week after shipping it to them for an upgrade? 
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:56:46 PM EDT
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Anyone tried one if these in a BRN-180?
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Posted: 4/3/2021 9:24:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I wouldn't mind giving them $75 (at this point is just a drop in the ocean), but who are these guys? Anybody has direct experience with this company? Are they legit or am I find my trigger for sale on Gunbroker a week after shipping it to them for an upgrade? They are legit. Small outfit local to me. I know the owner personally and he does great work |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 9:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are legit. Small outfit local to me. I know the owner personally and he does great work I've been to the guy's house. Nice dude. Also maybe a couple miles down from me. I never thought of just drilling the spring hole a little more. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 1:15:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are legit. Small outfit local to me. I know the owner personally and he does great work Ok, good to know. I might have to send him mine. Maybe he will also sell spare springs and plungers (I am one of those jik kind of guys...??) |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 1:58:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, good to know. I might have to send him mine. Maybe he will also sell spare springs and plungers (I am one of those jik kind of guys...??) By the looks of it, the springs and plungers are just bolt catch small parts. He frequents this forum so I wouldn't be surprised if he got some ideas from this thread. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 2:22:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, good to know. I might have to send him mine. Maybe he will also sell spare springs and plungers (I am one of those jik kind of guys...) |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 9:51:16 AM EDT
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Anybody tested this on their trigger?
Different spring/plunger affecting rof or changing the buffer weight requirements (can't imagine it would, but if someone tried it out I'd love to hear about it). |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 11:10:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody tested this on their trigger? Different spring/plunger affecting rof or changing the buffer weight requirements (can't imagine it would, but if someone tried it out I'd love to hear about it). |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 12:15:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody tested this on their trigger? Different spring/plunger affecting rof or changing the buffer weight requirements (can't imagine it would, but if someone tried it out I'd love to hear about it). I would bet money that it probably reduces the amount of bolt bounce because of less spring tension. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 12:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I plan to try it soon. I have springs and detents coming from damage. Please do report! 
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Posted: 4/4/2021 1:56:24 PM EDT
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I destroyed my carbide 5/32 bit. I ordered another one so when I receive it, I'll see if I can get it drilled out.
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Posted: 4/4/2021 6:01:21 PM EDT
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I did my own version of the armament usa modification for the locking bar with the bolt spring like before and used a bolt catch plunger. I'm deeming it "v2". I simply used a TiN 5/32 bit to drill out the spring hole and used a 3/16 bit to drill into the locking bar inside. I also increase the bevel depth of the locking bar.
A few things to note: - the locking bar doesn't feel as "spongey" as my v1 modification and instead feels "springier" - the locking bar travels slightly further than v1 - another foolproof method to keep the spring from kinking. The only benefit I could see doing this modification is slightly less bolt bounce potential because the locking bar travels further back. This will probably increase the amount of springs/buffer combinations you can use. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 7:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did my own version of the armament usa modification for the locking bar with the bolt spring like before and used a bolt catch plunger. I'm deeming it "v2". I simply used a TiN 5/32 bit to drill out the spring hole and used a 3/16 bit to drill into the locking bar inside. I also increase the bevel depth of the locking bar. A few things to note: - the locking bar doesn't feel as "spongey" as my v1 modification and instead feels "springier" - the locking bar travels slightly further than v1 - another foolproof method to keep the spring from kinking. The only benefit I could see doing this modification is slightly less bolt bounce potential because the locking bar travels further back. This will probably increase the amount of springs/buffer combinations you can use. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 8:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any pictures? I will be doing a video soon. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 8:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will be doing a video soon. |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 5:28:46 AM EDT
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the anti walk pins provided have too much side to side play on the lower, bout a mm to long It was annoying to me as well. But then I reasoned that if they fit tightly against the lower, they could easily scratch the anodizing. While most builders wouldn't care, I really don't want to mess up the finish on my Colt 6920 if I really don't have to. The back and forth play allows me to tighten without damage. After awhile I totally quit noticing it. And I'm pretty OCD. You might try and live with it a bit before doing anything. Good catch on the replacement springs. I find it telling that the description is all messed up. Can this company just not get the easy stuff right? Like amateur hour sometimes. Yet the trigger itself is a nicely made piece of machinery. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:18:39 PM EDT
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Just bought one from BDU (they still have stock as of this post). Should I send to Armanment first or try my luck out of the box?
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Just bought one from BDU (they still have stock as of this post). Should I send to Armanment first or try my luck out of the box? I'm going to mod my own. About $2 in parts and 15 minutes of work. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:32:40 PM EDT
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Doing the mod that Armament offers is SUPER easy if you have any experience with a Dremel.
AR Bolt Catch Plunger AR Bolt Catch Spring 15 min of disassembly, dremel, cold blueing, and reassembly. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:54:52 PM EDT
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Has anyone gotten these to work with different calibers? I know the groups been mixed results with 9mm (I couldn’t get mine to work) but I haven’t heard of any other calibers. Mainly hoping for 7.62x39. Anyone tried it and been successful? My magazines blew downward when I tried the x39. Also was it non ramped bolts that work for 9mm?
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Posted: 4/6/2021 7:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone gotten these to work with different calibers? I know the groups been mixed results with 9mm (I couldn't get mine to work) but I haven't heard of any other calibers. Mainly hoping for 7.62x39. Anyone tried it and been successful? My magazines blew downward when I tried the x39. Also was it non ramped bolts that work for 9mm? |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 8:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the video on of the design in operation I find it highly unlikely that it would operate with the CMMG .22 conversion kit. The way that cycles is COMPLETELY different than a standard BCG including the required dimensions for reset. Some months gone by since the above post. Has anyone figured out a way to make it work yet? |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:15:20 PM EDT
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If you were building an upper to use with the frt, what barrel length/gas system would you use with goals of reliability and a r.o.f. on the slower side?
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone gotten these to work with different calibers? I know the groups been mixed results with 9mm (I couldn’t get mine to work) but I haven’t heard of any other calibers. Mainly hoping for 7.62x39. Anyone tried it and been successful? My magazines blew downward when I tried the x39. Also was it non ramped bolts that work for 9mm? No help other than to point out the trigger pack doesn't fit in my ks47. The mag release spring interferes. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you were building an upper to use with the frt, what barrel length/gas system would you use with goals of reliability and a r.o.f. on the slower side?  Rare Breed FRT-15 Forced Reset Trigger |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 18" rifle gas will keep you on the slower side. I used an AIM surplus barrel on mine. Gas block is pinned, which I like.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYMaVp_eqFgFigured that combo would be a contender. I have 2, one being my spr with a Rainier ultramatch and the other my coyote rifle with a Faxon Gunner. Neither suited for high r.o.f. I have an innovative arms war upper laying around that I was thinking might be cool for this project too. Will be mostly suppressed. Eta: that aim barrel is a nice deal... |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 4:24:29 PM EDT
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Are these every going to be back in stock? I have two emails entered in and I check the site throughout the day.
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Posted: 4/7/2021 4:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are these every going to be back in stock? I have two emails entered in and I check the site throughout the day. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 4:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I found one last week. Should be at my house when I get home from work. Did you get notified or did you find it on their site? |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 4:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you get notified or did you find it on their site? |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 6:42:28 PM EDT
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It was wierd because it didn't show up as in stock on their website, but the link I had would show in stock. Again, I say, this company acts like a mom and pop working out of their kitchen after they get home from their day jobs. They don't act like they plan on being around for long. Makes sense, given the nature of their product offerings. Remember the posters here early on that claimed they were involved with R&D etc....crickets. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 7:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, I say, this company acts like a mom and pop working out of their kitchen after they get home from their day jobs. They don't act like they plan on being around for long. Makes sense, given the nature of their product offerings. Remember the posters here early on that claimed they were involved with R&D etc....crickets. Yeah but the issue happens on the in stock notification with BDU too. On a side note, I'm about 100% sure the owner of Spikes is also the owner of this company. He was the one that said he was the person who made the design, but he is also nowhere to be found. I could be wrong though. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 7:56:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but the issue happens on the in stock notification with BDU too. On a side note, I'm about 100% sure the owner of Spikes is also the owner of this company. He was the one that said he was the person who made the design, but he is also nowhere to be found. I could be wrong though. Yep, this is a Spikes trigger. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 7:27:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been to the guy's house. Nice dude. Also maybe a couple miles down from me. I never thought of just drilling the spring hole a little more. Sent him an email for some clarification and got a reply in like 20 minutes! Definitely will be doing business with him. 
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Posted: 4/8/2021 7:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sent him an email for some clarification and got a reply in like 20 minutes! Definitely will be doing business with him. Super chill dude. |
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Posted: 4/9/2021 12:40:25 AM EDT
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I pulled my first rare breed trigger out and compared the spring to my new one. After about 300 rounds I have a slight kink. Old spring is on top. New spring from my second trigger is on the bottom.
 Attached FileTo fix the problem going forward, I cut a 1.5mm allen wrench down and inserted it inside the spring, then reassembled it. Mine never quit working, but I want to avoid problems.  Attached FileThis should limit compression and provide a hard stop that prevents future kinking. I installed the new FRT into a Spikes lower and it assembled easily. No super tight fire control pin issues like my DSA lower had. I've got this one setup as a pistol so I can run my 11.5" upper while I wait for my F1 to clear. Hand cycling feels good. Hopefully I can shoot it this weekend. |
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Posted: 4/9/2021 11:07:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Great info guys. I just got a second trigger myself. That one is gonna stay stock and stowed for now, curious in the end if the V1 mod or V2 will end up being better. Got what I need to do both but will wait for ahrion's feedback since he is already doing both versions. I was about to start the V1 mod since this is my first full weekend off in a while where I can set down and do it but dang y'all move fast on working on fixing those issues. We have some great guys here. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 4/9/2021 11:55:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great info guys. I just got a second trigger myself. That one is gonna stay stock and stowed for now, curious in the end if the V1 mod or V2 will end up being better. Got what I need to do both but will wait for ahrion's feedback since he is already doing both versions. I was about to start the V1 mod since this is my first full weekend off in a while where I can set down and do it but dang y'all move fast on working on fixing those issues. We have some great guys here. Keep up the good work. I really need to get a video out. The amount of YouTube retardation is uncanny. The fact that people don't seem to understand Newton's first law of physics is mind boggling to me. |
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Posted: 4/9/2021 12:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really need to get a video out. The amount of YouTube retardation is uncanny. The fact that people don't seem to understand Newton's first law of physics is mind boggling to me. What did we do now???
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Posted: 4/10/2021 8:12:53 PM EDT
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Test fired my new pistol setup with the 1.5mm rod in the spring. Ran flawlessly and locked open on the last round. I think it's running right around 1k RPM as it sits with Monarch steel case ammunition. The Sprinco Red makes it want to run. No hanging up in the rearward position if you pull hard.
11.5" BA barrel 10.5" Centurion Mlok rail H2 buffer Sprinco red spring Brownells lightweight M16 BCG Lantac Keymo brake Dead Air Nomad FRT-15  Attached FileRod. Attached FileFull compression with rod in place.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 9:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Test fired my new pistol setup with the 1.5mm rod in the spring. Ran flawlessly and locked open on the last round. I think it's running right around 1k RPM as it sits with Monarch steel case ammunition. The Sprinco Red makes it want to run. No hanging up in the rearward position if you pull hard. 11.5" BA barrel 10.5" Centurion Mlok rail H2 buffer Sprinco red spring Brownells lightweight M16 BCG Lantac Keymo brake Dead Air Nomad FRT-15 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20210410_190626_jpeg-1900231.JPG Rod. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20210408_233106_jpg-1898107.JPG Full compression with rod in place. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20210410_191036_jpg-1900233.JPG Gonna use the Spikes Optimus buffer at H3 weight with a sprinco white and PWS Mod 2 buffer tube for my lower while I build a dedicated upper but I'm already eyeing switching the tube to an A5 and using the A5H3 or A5H4 or staying with this current tube and maybe getting the PWS H4 buffer for standard tubes? Wanna lower the ROF to make the gun last longer heat wise. Pretty sure I'm going 18" rifle gas CHF Heavy or 16". 42 in stock at BDU as of now by the way. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 3:31:23 AM EDT
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Quote Historyjaqufrost was the ROF at around the 0:00 -0:15 mark with the 9mm buffer and A5 tube or an A5H* buffer? Going to build a similar upper just different rail. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 10:09:02 AM EDT
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That was with the A5H2 buffer. The 9mm hydraulic buffer didn't seem to work as well.
I'm going to swap to a standard spring instead of the flatwire. The FRT-15 trigger needs the higher pressure at the rear of the BCG stroke or it's too easy to stop the BCG while it's at the back. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 10:11:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Intresting. May do this to my unaltered FRT-15 if ever need to. Got impatient and sent the first one off to Armament without waiting on you or ahrion to make vids lol. How many rounds would you say this one went through and does the spring look good? Gonna use the Spikes Optimus buffer at H3 weight with a sprinco white and PWS Mod 2 buffer tube for my lower while I build a dedicated upper but I'm already eyeing switching the tube to an A5 and using the A5H3 or A5H4 or staying with this current tube and maybe getting the PWS H4 buffer for standard tubes? Wanna lower the ROF to make the gun last longer heat wise. Pretty sure I'm going 18" rifle gas CHF Heavy or 16". 42 in stock at BDU as of now by the way. I'll probably buy a couple more triggers. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:34:42 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was with the A5H2 buffer. The 9mm hydraulic buffer didn't seem to work as well. I'm going to swap to a standard spring instead of the flatwire. The FRT-15 trigger needs the higher pressure at the rear of the BCG stroke or it's too easy to stop the BCG while it's at the back. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:37:39 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I pulled my first rare breed trigger out and compared the spring to my new one. After about 300 rounds I have a slight kink. Old spring is on top. New spring from my second trigger is on the bottom. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20210407_212842_jpg-1898106.JPG To fix the problem going forward, I cut a 1.5mm allen wrench down and inserted it inside the spring, then reassembled it. Mine never quit working, but I want to avoid problems. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20210408_233106_jpg-1898107.JPG This should limit compression and provide a hard stop that prevents future kinking. I installed the new FRT into a Spikes lower and it assembled easily. No super tight fire control pin issues like my DSA lower had. I've got this one setup as a pistol so I can run my 11.5" upper while I wait for my F1 to clear. Hand cycling feels good. Hopefully I can shoot it this weekend. Where do you get that new spring? |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 12:02:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do you get that new spring? |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 1:10:28 PM EDT
[#50]
They went from "why are all these triggers being sold on the EE" to selling out on the EE pretty fast.
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