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Posted: 3/27/2018 4:25:40 PM EDT
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Mine worked right and never gave me issued. Especially when used with American made Thermolds. I wasn't commenting on the product, rather my ability to install it to my sayisfaction. I still think it's a good way to carry a spare mag when you're not dressed. |
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Posted: 3/27/2018 8:32:59 PM EDT
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Not mine, but just a pic from the web, remember the Magpul M93 introduced in 2002 it was a very interesting stock design which the USMC ordered a batch in '02. The Magpul M93 was replaced by the model UBR in around 2007-2008. Since there was still a ban us civilians wanted it but it only became available at the end of the ban at the end of 2004 and really became popular in 2005, the price was high so I just got a Vltor Modstock at that time on my first LMT M4 carbine clone build. In 2003 I wanted to build a M4 carbine clone but because of the ban it never materialized and I actually built my LMT M4 clone in 2005. Here was my components plan for my M4 clone in '03: The forgotten pony Colt Match Target M4 Carbine model MT6400C with pinned muzzle brake (guys remember those were really desirable during the ban and after for a very close M4 clone?) Knight's Armament Co. older M4 model RIS rails (or new Colt M4 double heat shields handguard) KAC VFG cut down rear carry handle rear sight SOPMOD or new Colt M4 type 2 waffle buttstock Aimpoint Comp M2 on Aimpoint mount or Wilcox 30mm mount Surefire 6P light with Wilcox mount Boonie Packer 2 point sling (remember those?) USGI 30 rd mags with Magpul mag pulls After the ban in 2005 I completed my M4 clone with updated components: LMT M4 16" barrel upper half LMT Defender 2000 lower half LMT factory fixed rear cut carry handle sight KAC M4 RAS rails & VFG KAC high QD mount lower 1/3 co-witness Aimpoint Comp M2 Vltor original carbine model Modstock Surefire M951 weaponlight Blue Force Gear 2 point sling (not Vickers VCAS) USGI 30 rd mags with Magpul gen 1 anti-tilt followers, Ranger and L plates Maybe I might build an early 2000 M4 clone later on after I finish my current build projects. |
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Posted: 3/27/2018 9:42:37 PM EDT
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Mine's still tight as a drum. I wasn't commenting on the product, rather my ability to install it to my sayisfaction. I still think it's a good way to carry a spare mag when you're not dressed. 
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Posted: 3/27/2018 10:02:17 PM EDT
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I remember when that was first posted here. 
I built my first AR in 2004, and it was a M4A1 clone. They were referred to as "M4gery" by most here at that time. Bushmaster barrel, detachable carry handle, and Colt M4 (double heat shield  ) hand guards. I knew I couldn't afford a good optic at first. Most of the parts I bought for the build were used. I think I had $530 in that base rifle.
I later bought a new Hakko Tacpoint Blue Ring (Aimpoint ML2 clone) from CDNN, and mounted it in what was definitely an airsoft high ring (6-screw) so it would lower-third cowitness with my ASA copy of a GG&G M.A.D. BUIS. I did much reading here deciding on that setup. The reviews were favorable. (Not the high ring. I took a chance and ordered it directly from Hong Kong, along with some other crap.) https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1121145810/6625887/5af288d09fc270145d4a4bf881c856b4.jpg Mine didn't have blue paint in the markings, but the blue ring bothered me, so I carefully covered it with flat black Testors model paint. I was very pleased with its performance and it held zero just fine. Only the switch and covers felt cheap. The next upgrade was a YHM 2-piece quad rail (with KAC VFG and Magpul XT covers). This was before RIS/RAS were all over eBay for $100. I actually got that Bushy M4 barrel from eBay. Someone had messed up and listed it as a M5 15" barrel. I was the only bidder. I still have most of that AR, but it now has a real CompM2 in a GG&G cantilever, KAC RAS, real M.A.D. and PVS-14 QD. These upgrades were 2006/2007 timeframe, when I could finally afford a PVS-14 and other fun toys. I have it mounted on my 10/22 and I have abused the absolute hell out of it. Treated it like I would never treat my real Aimpoints, and the thing is still working perfectly. Nearly 15 years old, all dinged to hell and Sharpie'ed on the blue ring and Tacpoint logo, but it holds zero and does its job. You're right about the switch and covers being cheap, though. Maybe one of these days I will splurge and get some real Aimpoint covers for it ;p. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:00:43 AM EDT
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Greg Sullivan’s Sully stocks. For some reason, I’ve been jonesing for a fixed stock carbine the last month or so. Of course, I still like quad rails, so... |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 7:30:57 AM EDT
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what was the name of this stock?
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Posted: 3/28/2018 7:51:30 AM EDT
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what was the name of this stock? https://s14.postimg.org/mq4d7dzlt/Schermata_2018-03-28_alle_13.29.06.png ETA: Yep, Duostock, but not seeing a brand. https://www.skdtac.com/Duostock-Stock-p/duo.101.htm |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 9:00:37 AM EDT
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Duostock, haven't seen one of those in awhile. Saw a few guys using them on their issue guns in the late 2000s.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 1:43:11 PM EDT
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Duostock, haven't seen one of those in awhile. Saw a few guys using them on their issue guns in the late 2000s.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 2:33:02 PM EDT
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Well I'm going to refer to it as big ugly.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 2:34:43 PM EDT
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Well I'm going to refer to it as big ugly. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:11:59 PM EDT
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I could see how it might actually be useful. But man is it hideous. I remember those things too. Very few people on here used them. If any....... Now the magpul, some dudes had one. I always thought that thing was ugly also. Not quite as bad as the duostock but blaaaaaaaa Looks like 3CPO's arm or something like that.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:22:36 PM EDT
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Well I'm going to refer to it as big ugly. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:26:56 PM EDT
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I could see how it might actually be useful. But man is it hideous. I remember those things too. Very few people on here used them. If any....... Now the magpul, some dudes had one. I always thought that thing was ugly also. Not quite as bad as the duostock but blaaaaaaaa Looks like 3CPO's arm or something like that. https://i.imgur.com/OvfvBCr.jpg |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 7:08:40 PM EDT
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Am I crazy for considering buying one these days? I’ve been thinking about picking one up, but damn they’re still expensive for just a fixed AR stock. For some reason, I’ve been jonesing for a fixed stock carbine the last month or so. Of course, I still like quad rails, so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Greg Sullivan’s Sully stocks. For some reason, I’ve been jonesing for a fixed stock carbine the last month or so. Of course, I still like quad rails, so... |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 7:13:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI spy an Arredondo AR-15 Magwell, another candidate for this list.
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Posted: 3/28/2018 9:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’re still damn good stocks, just on the pricy side. I’d pick up one or two if Sully knocked the price down. |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 12:05:12 AM EDT
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When it was very hard to find flat top uppers much less a "big hole" flat top SSK Industries offered their "TSOB" carry handle conversion. The rail height was set specifically to use an Ultra Dot RDS and gave a lower-third cowitness with the irons. It was more 90's tech than 2000's but it created quite a stir when I showed up for an MG shoot with that setup. Along with a Rhino gas piston conversion. 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/TSOBleft-494476.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/rhino1-494479.JPG  Refining the Red Dot | AR15 Ultradot Carbine |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 11:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been slowly looking for a used one. I like price of the Cav Arms, but I want something even shorter. Looking for a pic, thought I'd throw this one out first since someone was talking about the entry stock. That thing is crazy short.... 
Oh yeah, this pic just reminded me there were inserts for the buttpad to adjust length I think..... 
more sully stock porn: 
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Posted: 3/29/2018 2:33:54 PM EDT
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I always thought they were kind of cool looking. But to me anything shorter than an A1 is too short. Looking for a pic, thought I'd throw this one out first since someone was talking about the entry stock. That thing is crazy short.... http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/AR_stocks.jpg Oh yeah, this pic just reminded me there were inserts for the buttpad to adjust length I think..... https://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/buttstock_comparison.jpg more sully stock porn: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_QwZdFNEepes/TEOk-EVdw6I/AAAAAAAAAbE/gVBwU7Y3Od0/545AR_02.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've been slowly looking for a used one. I like price of the Cav Arms, but I want something even shorter. Looking for a pic, thought I'd throw this one out first since someone was talking about the entry stock. That thing is crazy short.... http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/AR_stocks.jpg Oh yeah, this pic just reminded me there were inserts for the buttpad to adjust length I think..... https://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/buttstock_comparison.jpg more sully stock porn: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_QwZdFNEepes/TEOk-EVdw6I/AAAAAAAAAbE/gVBwU7Y3Od0/545AR_02.jpg UTG Model 4 Compact Tactical Fixed Stock Assembly 
 I've actually been curious about it. Just not sure on the quality. I'd like to build a A1 fixed carry handle 14.5 inch carbine with a permanently attached flash hider using one of those stocks. |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 2:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leapers makes a RRA Entry Stock clone. UTG Model 4 Compact Tactical Fixed Stock Assembly https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_03.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_APP_01.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_02.gif I've actually been curious about it. Just not sure on the quality. I'd like to build a A1 fixed carry handle 14.5 inch carbine with a permanently attached flash hider using one of those stocks. |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 2:51:52 PM EDT
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The UTG A2 stock kit that I bought from Sportsmans Guide was very airsoft in feel/appearance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Leapers makes a RRA Entry Stock clone. UTG Model 4 Compact Tactical Fixed Stock Assembly https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_03.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_APP_01.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_02.gif I've actually been curious about it. Just not sure on the quality. I'd like to build a A1 fixed carry handle 14.5 inch carbine with a permanently attached flash hider using one of those stocks.  in quality. I have played with the RRA Stock. The quality was awesome.... but the price was stupid high.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 2:56:53 PM EDT
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I was afraid of that. I have a Cavlary Arms A1 stock and that feels kinda "meh" in quality. I have played with the RRA Stock. The quality was awesome.... but the price was stupid high.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Leapers makes a RRA Entry Stock clone. UTG Model 4 Compact Tactical Fixed Stock Assembly https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_03.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_APP_01.gif https://www.leapers.com/images/600X381/RB_T469SB_FEA_02.gif I've actually been curious about it. Just not sure on the quality. I'd like to build a A1 fixed carry handle 14.5 inch carbine with a permanently attached flash hider using one of those stocks. in quality. I have played with the RRA Stock. The quality was awesome.... but the price was stupid high.I'm probably one of the few that like them. But then again, I can almost shoot with a CAR completely collapsed, short in arms.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 3:02:42 PM EDT
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https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/203485_ts.jpg US Made Thermold mags were something folks wanted. They were quality mags of the 90s. They got a bad rap when Thermold were made in Canada for their military. The Canadian made ones were shit since the Canadians used a different polymer. I loaded it back up with another 30rds and threw it back into the corner of the safe. |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 4:09:34 PM EDT
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Duostock, haven't seen one of those in awhile. Saw a few guys using them on their issue guns in the late 2000s.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 5:18:58 PM EDT
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+1 on the RRA entry, night and day difference. And pricing is crazy high. I'm probably one of the few that like them. But then again, I can almost shoot with a CAR completely collapsed, short in arms. While they offer the A2 stock as a kit or assembly. I still use mine from time to time, but it just ends up being a placeholder until I get a deal on a carbine stock, then it goes back in the parts bin. Everytime I try to build a rifle out of spare parts, I just end up with the same pile of spare parts by time I'm done.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 5:26:27 PM EDT
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Everytime I try to build a rifle out of spare parts, I just end up with the same pile of spare parts by time I'm done.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 5:58:45 PM EDT
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I just looked, pricing doesn't seem too bad, I think the trouble is they only offer the kit. While they offer the A2 stock as a kit or assembly. I still use mine from time to time, but it just ends up being a placeholder until I get a deal on a carbine stock, then it goes back in the parts bin. Everytime I try to build a rifle out of spare parts, I just end up with the same pile of spare parts by time I'm done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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+1 on the RRA entry, night and day difference. And pricing is crazy high. I'm probably one of the few that like them. But then again, I can almost shoot with a CAR completely collapsed, short in arms. While they offer the A2 stock as a kit or assembly. I still use mine from time to time, but it just ends up being a placeholder until I get a deal on a carbine stock, then it goes back in the parts bin. Everytime I try to build a rifle out of spare parts, I just end up with the same pile of spare parts by time I'm done. 
Yeah, ancient free float that weighs a ton. Still gonna use it.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 8:50:04 PM EDT
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I have this pile of parts waiting to be built into a rifle. https://i.imgur.com/YEoy8de.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z33QrdE.jpg Yeah, ancient free float that weighs a ton. Still gonna use it. Here's one I put back together a couple months ago, but finally zeroed. The A1 HGs are too squishy w/o the heatshields and some ribs, so I'm gonna grind another A2 set to fit. Oh yeah, HBAR.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 12:22:30 AM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/HkB2fWJ.jpg Not mine, but just a pic from the web, remember the Magpul M93 introduced in 2002 it was a very interesting stock design which the USMC ordered a batch in '02. The Magpul M93 was replaced by the model UBR in around 2007-2008 GearScout Buttstock Bashfest Instead, in my infinite wisdom I decided to purchase one of these monstrosities...
Expensive as s***, heavy as hell and not even remotely practical. You couldn’t even charge the weapon unless the cheek riser was down all the way. Dumb. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 1:14:50 AM EDT
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Weaver 1-3x was one of the best tactical minded scopes you could buy.
Any decent quad rail fore end was $300 plus. Perma welding brakes so you wouldn't have a naked muzzle. the 16" HBAR Bushmasters with the fixed stock just had a great stout feeling about them and were decently balanced. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 6:13:58 AM EDT
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Weaver 1-3x was one of the best tactical minded scopes you could buy. Any decent quad rail fore end was $300 plus. Perma welding brakes so you wouldn't have a naked muzzle. the 16" HBAR Bushmasters with the fixed stock just had a great stout feeling about them and were decently balanced. 
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Posted: 3/30/2018 8:05:45 AM EDT
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Weaver 1-3x was one of the best tactical minded scopes you could buy. Any decent quad rail fore end was $300 plus. Perma welding brakes so you wouldn't have a naked muzzle. the 16" HBAR Bushmasters with the fixed stock just had a great stout feeling about them and were decently balanced. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 2:57:31 PM EDT
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This is a cool thread
Redi-Mags were pretty big hit in the MIL early 2000's now seems only back to just 3 gunners use them. 2002 
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Posted: 4/2/2018 5:54:09 PM EDT
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When it was very hard to find flat top uppers much less a "big hole" flat top SSK Industries offered their "TSOB" carry handle conversion. The rail height was set specifically to use an Ultra Dot RDS and gave a lower-third cowitness with the irons. It was more 90's tech than 2000's but it created quite a stir when I showed up for an MG shoot with that setup. Along with a Rhino gas piston conversion.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/TSOBleft-494476.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6163/rhino1-494479.JPG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvFCQjSZEtU |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 7:26:02 PM EDT
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This is a cool thread Redi-Mags were pretty big hit in the MIL early 2000's now seems only back to just 3 gunners use them. 2002 https://i.imgur.com/WsEnPyP.jpg 
Millet Red Dot, Ancient Surefire Weapon Light, VFG, A2 rear sight, and a Chopped Redi-Mag. 
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Posted: 4/2/2018 7:36:03 PM EDT
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Not sure what I'm looking at here or how it relates to my post. Looks like a bullseye shooter. Is he using an UltraDot? I'd never seen Ultradots on anything except Bullseye pistols and thought I was somethin' special.
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Posted: 4/2/2018 8:47:06 PM EDT
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Bushy AK?  https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310340/14-12-Bushmaster-1_1-495197.JPG |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 9:10:42 PM EDT
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This is a cool thread Redi-Mags were pretty big hit in the MIL early 2000's now seems only back to just 3 gunners use them. 2002 https://i.imgur.com/WsEnPyP.jpg KevinB's recce with the redi-mag 
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Posted: 4/2/2018 11:36:57 PM EDT
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Knew a fellow who carried a RediMag in 10-11 in Iraq.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 12:12:26 PM EDT
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I can tell I’m getting old because my rifles all now look “retro” except for my overuse of Magpul furniture. For instance, I still really like VFGs.
My first AR was an Armalite M15A2 which cost more in the late 1990s than say a 6920 goes for now. It did, however, come with a muzzle brake that roughly resembled an A2 flash hider when most factory ARs had plain muzzles. My pre-ban Colt (I bought that around 2001) started life as a 20” HBAR. I made it into ARFCOM cool by getting a Bushmaster A2 Upper with a 14.5” Barrel and pinned Phantom flash hider and of course the M4 telestock and double heat shield handguards. What do I miss from those days? -Carry handles everywhere. -1/9 twist being considered optimal. -Go chrome or go home. -Every post on ARFCOM contained references to M4gery builds. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 12:31:26 PM EDT
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I can tell I’m getting old because my rifles all now look “retro” except for my overuse of Magpul furniture. For instance, I still really like VFGs. My first AR was an Armalite M15A2 which cost more in the late 1990s than say a 6920 goes for now. It did, however, come with a muzzle brake that roughly resembled an A2 flash hider when most factory ARs had plain muzzles. My pre-ban Colt (I bought that around 2001) started life as a 20” HBAR. I made it into ARFCOM cool by getting a Bushmaster A2 Upper with a 14.5” Barrel and pinned Phantom flash hider and of course the M4 telestock and double heat shield handguards. What do I miss from those days? -Carry handles everywhere. -1/9 twist being considered optimal. -Go chrome or go home. -Every post on ARFCOM contained references to M4gery builds. But yeah, M4gery craziness...... |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 1:04:08 PM EDT
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I can tell I'm getting old because my rifles all now look "retro" except for my overuse of Magpul furniture. For instance, I still really like VFGs. My first AR was an Armalite M15A2 which cost more in the late 1990s than say a 6920 goes for now. It did, however, come with a muzzle brake that roughly resembled an A2 flash hider when most factory ARs had plain muzzles. My pre-ban Colt (I bought that around 2001) started life as a 20" HBAR. I made it into ARFCOM cool by getting a Bushmaster A2 Upper with a 14.5" Barrel and pinned Phantom flash hider and of course the M4 telestock and double heat shield handguards. What do I miss from those days? -Carry handles everywhere. -1/9 twist being considered optimal. -Go chrome or go home. -Every post on ARFCOM contained references to M4gery builds. Also ABC |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 1:15:49 PM EDT
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I’m transitioning back to vfgs on almost everything even if I just use them as a hand stop I just find it suits me better
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Posted: 4/3/2018 5:34:25 PM EDT
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I still like my Weaver 1-3 scope - great glass for $150.
I built up a couple Ars around 2000/2001 with A1 stocks, Scott Medesha's Float tubes and Smith Enterprise Muzzle brakes silver soldered on. Medesha Handguards Smith Muzzle brake Barrels were Colt HBAR and Govt profile. Match triggers form JP Enterprises and Accuracy Speaks. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:22:39 PM EDT
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I went with the ABC’s, and later I desperately wanted a Rock River.
Here the Bushmaster was stock, but the PSS was much cooler with the krylon.  Attached FileSuppressor, light, sling, Eotech, and chopped carry handle - this was one bad rifle. I didn’t know anybody else with a can, I was definitely the coolest guy on the range but there were always some that couldn’t be convinced it was legal.  Attached FileIt ended up with a Yankee Hill free float handguard and a VFG before I sold it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:14:30 PM EDT
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I’m transitioning back to vfgs on almost everything even if I just use them as a hand stop I just find it suits me better My collection of discarded parts and doodads grows with age. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that you? I like the 12 gauge rounds up on the chest, high. Knock yourself in the chin getting those? LOL. [/url] |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:42:56 PM EDT
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The "modern" equivalent. Ultradot 30 in a 1.55" mount (right between lower 1/3rd and co-witness) and MBUS on a flattop. I'd never seen Ultradots on anything except Bullseye pistols and thought I was somethin' special. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure what I'm looking at here or how it relates to my post. Looks like a bullseye shooter. Is he using an UltraDot? I'd never seen Ultradots on anything except Bullseye pistols and thought I was somethin' special. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:55:28 PM EDT
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I’ve learned KAC/P&S VFGs are the crème de la crème. Everything you need and nothing you don’t. My collection of discarded parts and doodads grows with age. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’m transitioning back to vfgs on almost everything even if I just use them as a hand stop I just find it suits me better My collection of discarded parts and doodads grows with age. |
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