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5/2/2017 4:22:29 PM EDT
I've been looking at getting a Faxon 16 inch barrel for a lightweight build I'm working on. I know pencil barrels move as they heat up, I was wondering how much of an impact it has on the accuracy. I'm looking to use this build for hog hunts, so generally fewer than ten shots at a time, usually only one or two. Is barrel heat going to be an issue? If I were to do a 30 round course of fire how much of a difference would that make?
5/2/2017 4:32:01 PM EDT
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You won't see enough of a shift that it'll matter for hog hunting. Not unless you're shooting LONG distances.
5/2/2017 5:19:27 PM EDT
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Shot much faxon gunner 14.5 today.  after 120 rounds of testing and sighting in I was putting 3rounds touching at 25 yards. That's 120 rounds in 25 min
5/2/2017 8:44:43 PM EDT
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That 4.8 rds per minute  sustained fire rate is 12-15 rds per min. So hardly a warm up.
5/2/2017 9:01:00 PM EDT
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I did some heat/accuracy test with my SR15's 'LW' barrel before.

You can read and look at the pictures, here
The accuracy test is after a 90rd mag dump.
I also did another test using a SPR thick profile SS barrel, and the group size, similar to the 'LW' barrel, also became 3 times as big as it is from a cold barrel when it is hot after the 90rd mag dump
5/2/2017 9:03:29 PM EDT
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Shot much faxon gunner 14.5 today.  after 120 rounds of testing and sighting in I was putting 3rounds touching at 25 yards. That's 120 rounds in 25 min
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That's hardly enough to put any heat into the barrel...
5/2/2017 9:03:42 PM EDT
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My last pencil barrel would open up to 4-5 moa after 30 rounds in about 10 minutes. But based on your use, you should be fine. That's what pencil barrels are for.
5/2/2017 9:49:58 PM EDT
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Molon did some great testing between a Colt SOCOM, M4, and LW barrel.  It's probably in the sticky at the top.
5/2/2017 9:52:31 PM EDT
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or go with a faxon gunner and get best of both worlds ;)
5/3/2017 8:05:34 AM EDT
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My last pencil barrel would open up to 4-5 moa after 30 rounds in about 10 minutes. But based on your use, you should be fine. That's what pencil barrels are for.
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As a general rule, a good barrel should not change POI, just open up to roughly double its base cold-bore accuracy. So, if with good ammo, you have a sub-MOA cold-bore, expect ~2 MOA when piping hot.

The profile of the barrel roughly determines how many rounds until its "hot".

If the pencil barrel cannot meet your needs, I'll eat my shorts.
5/3/2017 8:23:47 AM EDT
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Hahaha +1.

Check this out op.
YouTube: pencil barrel test
5/3/2017 9:13:42 AM EDT
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I did some heat/accuracy test with my SR15's 'LW' barrel before.

You can read and look at the pictures, here
The accuracy test is after a 90rd mag dump.
I also did another test using a SPR thick profile SS barrel, and the group size, similar to the 'LW' barrel, also became 3 times as big as it is from a cold barrel when it is hot after the 90rd mag dump
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Pertaining to your linked thread... I wonder if the CBC , being 5.56, if chamber heat soak had anything to do with the groups opening up that much.

In other words, would a .223 identical load do the same thing ?

Not that it really matters... still minute of man within the effective range..... and certainly as good as a LtWt barrel can be expected to do.
5/3/2017 11:36:55 AM EDT
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Pertaining to your linked thread... I wonder if the CBC , being 5.56, if chamber heat soak had anything to do with the groups opening up that much.

In other words, would a .223 identical load do the same thing ?

Not that it really matters... still minute of man within the effective range..... and certainly as good as a LtWt barrel can be expected to do.
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I did some heat/accuracy test with my SR15's 'LW' barrel before.

You can read and look at the pictures, here
The accuracy test is after a 90rd mag dump.
I also did another test using a SPR thick profile SS barrel, and the group size, similar to the 'LW' barrel, also became 3 times as big as it is from a cold barrel when it is hot after the 90rd mag dump
Pertaining to your linked thread... I wonder if the CBC , being 5.56, if chamber heat soak had anything to do with the groups opening up that much.

In other words, would a .223 identical load do the same thing ?

Not that it really matters... still minute of man within the effective range..... and certainly as good as a LtWt barrel can be expected to do.
I only have the AE 50gr VT ammo that is in the 223 spec at the time of the testing.
The AE 50gr Varmint Tipped was more accurate than the CBC 77gr OTM with a hot barrel, and the group size was 2.5 times bigger, not 3.5 times bigger like the CBC.

I know it is not the same cartridge/bullet/manufacturer, but at least we see that ammo difference matters too when talking accuracy w/ a hot barrel.

BTW, this is my most recent 'hot barrel' test with the CBC 77gr OTM... IMO it did much better this time(~5.7MOA down to ~4.4MOA) :
I also did the same test with the same gun same barrel, SR15 Mod1 'LW' barrel, using the Black Hills 77gr TMK, with the same setup and indoor range, and the result is only slightly better than CBC 77gr OTM.
I do not have the picture of the TMK result, but it was ~4MOA.
The BH TMK 77 shoots 1.5-1.6MOA while the CBC 77 OTM is consistently 1.25MOA with a cold to slightly warm (75F~160F) barrel.

5/3/2017 12:15:18 PM EDT
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my pencil barrel test thread
5/3/2017 12:23:33 PM EDT
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Great question and responses.  Keep them coming folks!  
5/3/2017 12:54:44 PM EDT
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My last pencil barrel would open up to 4-5 moa after 30 rounds in about 10 minutes. But based on your use, you should be fine. That's what pencil barrels are for.
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Your groups opened 5 moa after firing only three rounds per minute for 10 minutes? That seems excessive. 3 rounds per minute shouldn't put that much heat into the barrel. That's only 1 round every 20 seconds.
5/3/2017 1:47:27 PM EDT
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Your groups opened 5 moa after firing only three rounds per minute for 10 minutes? That seems excessive. 3 rounds per minute shouldn't put that much heat into the barrel. That's only 1 round every 20 seconds.
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My last pencil barrel would open up to 4-5 moa after 30 rounds in about 10 minutes. But based on your use, you should be fine. That's what pencil barrels are for.
Your groups opened 5 moa after firing only three rounds per minute for 10 minutes? That seems excessive. 3 rounds per minute shouldn't put that much heat into the barrel. That's only 1 round every 20 seconds.
Completely agree.  Something mechanical is amiss, here, or it's the shooter IMO.  I have 2 pencil barrel SBRs; one Colt, and one Spikes CHF that I have put through some 100 yard bench tests with decent ammo.  

The Spikes never gave me an issue with heat, unless I have the can on.  I am sure that is ME, and not the can.  Having said; going through 2 mags in a couple of minutes has never yielded a 5 MOA shift.  I know there can be an issue, but those numbers seem excessive.
5/3/2017 7:35:44 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the insights, it sounds like pencil is G2G. Other than Faxon who makes a match pencil barrel?
5/3/2017 9:25:15 PM EDT
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That time included original sight in with half a mag 3 rounds at a time.  Rest were paced fire, double and triples and some strings.  Didn't say I dumped a bunch but Barrel got hot enough I changed my grip.
5/3/2017 9:27:56 PM EDT
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Faxon stuff is great OP. I have 2 gunners.  One with a scope and one with a Sparc both 14.5. Have seen their LW but the gunner is light enough for most unless building an all out lightweight gun
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