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12/4/2016 9:40:29 PM EDT
Hey guys,

Looking to start another build. So far I've got the following calibers, 223, 300blk, 308. I've kicked around the idea of a 458 socom, but part of me finds that round to be really impractical due to the cost of the ammo. I've done some reading on here about people's issues with the AR47, and I think after all the headaches I've read I'd just rather buy an AK for that caliber.

Any suggestions on what you guys are running that I don't already have and that is not too expensive?
12/4/2016 9:47:17 PM EDT
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Hey guys,

Looking to start another build. So far I've got the following calibers, 223, 300blk, 308. I've kicked around the idea of a 458 socom, but part of me finds that round to be really impractical due to the cost of the ammo. I've done some reading on here about people's issues with the AR47, and I think after all the headaches I've read I'd just rather buy an AK for that caliber.

Any suggestions on what you guys are running that I don't already have and that is not too expensive?
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I would say to build a 6.5 Grendel....but you won't exactly like the cost of that ammo.


Except for 5.56/.223, 7.62x39 and the pistol rounds, all other ammo you can use in an AR is fairly expensive.
12/4/2016 10:03:56 PM EDT
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Either 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel.
12/4/2016 10:06:02 PM EDT
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I have the 6.8 SPC. I really like the round and is very good on whitetails. As others have stated, ammo price is the deterrent to a lot of shooting.
Mike
12/4/2016 10:06:06 PM EDT
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What's people's opinions on the variants from The Grendel to the SPC?
12/4/2016 10:06:57 PM EDT
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6.5 grendel... and they have really cheap steel case for it.. or if you want sbr suppressed .300 bo
12/4/2016 10:08:00 PM EDT
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I would say to build a 6.5 Grendel....but you won't exactly like the cost of that ammo.


Except for 5.56/.223, 7.62x39 and the pistol rounds, all other ammo you can use in an AR is fairly expensive.
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I guess I should've said what's less expensive than 458 haha

I'm pretty certain I want to stick with rifle rounds right now
12/4/2016 10:20:25 PM EDT
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i had a extra set of .308 style receivers and was mulling a .243 till the 6.5 Creedmoor bug bit.
anything besides .223 is going to be expensive, that's just part of it.
loading is a must, it tamed the .458 beast.
12/4/2016 10:20:57 PM EDT
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.277 Wolverine.
12/4/2016 10:29:23 PM EDT
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.277 WLV =  6.8mm with a 223 bolt and 223 cases.    Case is longer than a 300 blk.
12/5/2016 10:17:09 AM EDT
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.277 WLV =  6.8mm with a 223 bolt and 223 cases.    Case is longer than a 300 blk.
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Yup, and it outperforms .300BLK in just about every category, save shooting subs (although, I think they have subs figured out with the .277WLV now too). 

The thing I really like about the Wolverine, over .300BLK, is that you can't chamber a .277WLV in a .223/5.56 chamber, like you can a .300BLK. I've seen the damage that can occur, first hand, when you fire a .300BLK in a 5.56/.223 upper. 

I also really like the Wolverine for hunting. Last year I took a huge doe in Northern Michigan with mine, running some ammo from JB's Firearms loaded up with Nosler 100gr Accubonds. 

Good luck OP. Check out Mad Dog Weapon Systems for the .277 Wolverine stuff. It's a "cheap" conversion, as they run sales on their barrels all the time (and their normal prices are cheap too, in my book). The MDWS bolts and BCGs are good to go also, if you want to pick one up. If you ask the owner, he'll even headspace match a bolt to your barrel (I think at no extra charge, other than paying for the bolt). Mark is good people, and he puts out good stuff. 

Info on the Wolverine from the creator: 
http://www.maddogweapons.com/277-wolverine.html

MDWS store: 
http://www.maddogweapons.com/store/c4/.277_Wolverine_Components.html
12/5/2016 10:44:42 AM EDT
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.277 Wolverine.
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So I'd probably build a brand new rifle rather than just make an upper swap, but so if I understand correctly, I would just buy 223 bolt and mags? And is there an abundance of the ammo out? I tried looking it up on CTD and they didn't have a selection for it.
12/5/2016 10:58:37 AM EDT
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So I'd probably build a brand new rifle rather than just make an upper swap, but so if I understand correctly, I would just buy 223 bolt and mags? And is there an abundance of the ammo out? I tried looking it up on CTD and they didn't have a selection for it.
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Same concept as .300BLK: all that's required to change over is a barrel swap (and muzzle device). 

It uses the same bolt as a 5.56/.223 AR, same mags, etc. 

As for ammo, there are two or three companies out there making ammo for it. 

JB's Firearms (who I buy all of mine from)

Alpha 7 Armory via Outdoor Shooter supply (never used them, but have heard good things about them)

Red Stag via Outdoor Shooter Supply (never used or heard of them until now)



12/5/2016 2:56:55 PM EDT
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Kind of a whole different direction but I wouldn't want to be without a dedicated .22 rimfire upper and/or a drop in conversion
I have all sorts of the usual rimfire stuff , Match guns ,lever guns, bolt guns and a slew of 10/22s but I do enjoy messing about with the rimfire AR
22lr has gone through some stupid cycles of availability and price gouging but I have always had a good stock.

Not for everyone but I get a kick out of it all
12/5/2016 3:34:22 PM EDT
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I see .300 blk on Walmart's shelves at reasonable prices.  If you're looking at price as a factor in another caliber.  I personally don't think it's really any great shakes of a caliber other than that it chucks a heavier pill.   But I'm not sure that really makes that big of a difference in performance.  I'm no expert on it though.   I think everyone wanted a round that would be quiet with their suppressors.  But how a subsonic big ole .30 caliber does on the target doesn't seem earth shattering.
12/5/2016 3:55:52 PM EDT
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7.62x39.

I also would like a 458 or 6.5 my self.
12/5/2016 3:58:46 PM EDT
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Kind of a whole different direction but I wouldn't want to be without a dedicated .22 rimfire upper and/or a drop in conversion
I have all sorts of the usual rimfire stuff , Match guns ,lever guns, bolt guns and a slew of 10/22s but I do enjoy messing about with the rimfire AR
22lr has gone through some stupid cycles of availability and price gouging but I have always had a good stock.

Not for everyone but I get a kick out of it all
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I thought about doing that, or getting an HK mp5-22.
12/5/2016 4:14:11 PM EDT
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My latest upper build is one in .450 Bushmaster. 

The hope is that I can get ODNR to add .450BM to the list of allowable pistol calibers for use on whitetail here. 

12/5/2016 5:15:12 PM EDT
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7.62x39   Mostly run good now and cheap Ammo . Get a good bolt and mine haven't had feed issues some occasionally get light primer strikes but easy to correct or  get a Ruger mini 30 ,
Cost a little more ,but real fun
12/6/2016 4:35:29 PM EDT
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I built a 7.62x39 and it is a sweetheart of a rifle, I love it.  Built mainly as a 200yd hunting rifle.

Getting pretty serious shopping for stuff now to build a 6.5G as a longer range target/hunting rifle.
12/6/2016 5:01:28 PM EDT
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I built a 7.62x39 and it is a sweetheart of a rifle, I love it.  Built mainly as a 200yd hunting rifle.

Getting pretty serious shopping for stuff now to build a 6.5G as a longer range target/hunting rifle.
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So a lot of the issues people were having with this caliber has improved? I recall reading about a few of broken extractors, feeding problems from the AR style magazines etc.. is this all old news
12/6/2016 10:16:39 PM EDT
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forget building another rifle right now buy a reloading set-up and start loading for what you already have . I have guns that have never seen a factory round .
12/6/2016 11:14:06 PM EDT
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forget building another rifle right now buy a reloading set-up and start loading for what you already have . I have guns that have never seen a factory round .
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Definitely plan on doing that once my fiancé and I buy a house so that I have my own dedicated space to do that and other firearm related work
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