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Posted: 9/4/2016 8:14:06 PM EDT
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I'm editing the above post because it seems I stuck my foot in my mouth. I was under the impression if I had my FFL sell the guns for me. |
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Guys, I've been thinking lately with the political environment and gun grabbers using every crazy asshole as an excuse to ban the AR, to buy 5 to 10 rifles and put them in the safe new in box. Next political scare I should be able to make some money right? I'm talking about selling at reasonable prices relative to the market, not gouging. Thoughts? Buying guns with the intent to sell them can get you in serious trouble. |
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Guys, I've been thinking lately with the political environment and gun grabbers using every crazy asshole as an excuse to ban the AR, to buy 5 to 10 rifles and put them in the safe new in box. Next political scare I should be able to make some money right? I'm talking about selling at reasonable prices relative to the market, not gouging. Thoughts? You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable. If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. |
| With all the above aside, buying guns for investments these days is foolish. Buy it, use it and enjoy it while you can. No one has a crystal ball, but I doubt that the AR market will be the same five years from now. I predict that if we will not be able to transfer or sell them, if get to keep them at all. |
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You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable. If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. Quoted:
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Guys, I've been thinking lately with the political environment and gun grabbers using every crazy asshole as an excuse to ban the AR, to buy 5 to 10 rifles and put them in the safe new in box. Next political scare I should be able to make some money right? I'm talking about selling at reasonable prices relative to the market, not gouging. Thoughts? You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable. If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. i think the law actually reads 10 per yr |
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With all the above aside, buying guns for investments these days is foolish. Buy it, use it and enjoy it while you can. No one has a crystal ball, but I doubt that the AR market will be the same five years from now. I predict that if we will not be able to transfer or sell them, if get to keep them at all. Yes and that is all your opinion. Whats it worth? |
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i think the law actually reads 10 per yr Quoted:
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Guys, I've been thinking lately with the political environment and gun grabbers using every crazy asshole as an excuse to ban the AR, to buy 5 to 10 rifles and put them in the safe new in box. Next political scare I should be able to make some money right? I'm talking about selling at reasonable prices relative to the market, not gouging. Thoughts? You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable. If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. i think the law actually reads 10 per yr If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. |
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Yes and that is all your opinion. Whats it worth? Quoted:
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With all the above aside, buying guns for investments these days is foolish. Buy it, use it and enjoy it while you can. No one has a crystal ball, but I doubt that the AR market will be the same five years from now. I predict that if we will not be able to transfer or sell them, if get to keep them at all. Yes and that is all your opinion. Whats it worth? This just became GD material. |
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If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. Quoted:
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Guys, I've been thinking lately with the political environment and gun grabbers using every crazy asshole as an excuse to ban the AR, to buy 5 to 10 rifles and put them in the safe new in box. Next political scare I should be able to make some money right? I'm talking about selling at reasonable prices relative to the market, not gouging. Thoughts? You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable. If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. i think the law actually reads 10 per yr If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. Then shut up and buy/sell what you want. Why come here and ask opinion and then whine and bitch when you receive some? If you are set in what you are planning to do, go stock up. |
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Yes and that is all your opinion. Whats it worth? Quoted:
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With all the above aside, buying guns for investments these days is foolish. Buy it, use it and enjoy it while you can. No one has a crystal ball, but I doubt that the AR market will be the same five years from now. I predict that if we will not be able to transfer or sell them, if get to keep them at all. Yes and that is all your opinion. Whats it worth? Not worth anything, just my opinion and pure speculation. I wanted to take a different route than what everybody else did and not talk about the legality because it would be redundant. |
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Gun laws are rather tricky to interpret. If you buy 5 firearms with the intention of selling them later, then that would get you in all sorts of trouble, regardless if you take it to the FFL.
There are numerous similar cases floating around and in each circumstances, the ATF wins. Even if you win, you'll have 0 money to do anything else cause you'll be paying back legal fees. |
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You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. Then shut up and buy/sell what you want. Why come here and ask opinion and then whine and bitch when you receive some? If you are set in what you are planning to do, go stock up. The keyboard warrior from the safety of his Mom's house tells people to shut up. I'm scared |
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If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. Quoted:
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You go to jail for buying with the intent to sell weapons without the proper licenses. I think you will find most people on this board are not interested in breaking the law, and are most certainly not interested in posting illegalities online. While it is certainly legal to buy and sell items, including weapons, you have to remember that weapons are highly regulated, and buying them to sell would be a straw purchase. If you bought a couple AR15s to stick away, and later decided to sell them, that would be understandable.If you bought 10, you would be pretty clearly selling without a license. Hopefully you can understand that coming here and advocating illegal activity, especially with a low post count, and no one knowing you, looks a bit out of sorts. If the forum doesn't want the topic that is fine. But don't start saying its illegal when you don't know what your are talking about. I researched on BATF and my FFL and what I was talking about doing, which is stockpiling a few rifles ( 5 to 10) purchased and sold through an FFL is perfectly legal, whether my desire is to profit or not. Did you just tell Stickman he doesn't know what he's talking about? This is directly from the ATF handbook entitled "Do I need a license to buy and sell firearms?" ? Federal law requires that persons who are engaged in the business of dealing in firearms be licensed by ATF. The penalty for dealing in firearms without a license is up to five years in prison, a fine up to $250,000, or both. ? A person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms regardless of the location in which firearm transactions are conducted. For example, a person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms even if the person only conducts firearm transactions at gun shows or through the internet . ? Determining whether you are “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms requires looking at the specific facts and circumstances of your activities. ? As a general rule, you will need a license if you repetitively buy and sell firearms with the principal motive of making a profit. In contrast, if you only make occasional sales of firearms from your personal collection, you do not need to be licensed. ? Courts have identified several factors relevant to determining on which side of that line your activities may fall, including: whether you represent yourself as a dealer in firearms; whether you are repetitively buying and selling firearms; the circumstances under which you are selling firearms; and whether you are looking to make a profit. Note that while quantity and frequency of sales are relevant indicators, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a license when as few as two firearms were sold, or when only one or two transactions took place, when other factors were also present. I don't read anything in there about how selling through an FFL allows you to bypass the license. If you buy guns with the intent of selling them, you need a license. If you came in here and said that you shoot AR's a lot and you want to know if it would be a good idea to stock up on a few extra, you would have gotten completely different responses. |
Looks like the OP has a bright future on ARFCOM 
Basically coming here to ask the question you did, is enough to draw unwanted attention from the Feds. If you want to stock up, fine. But don't attempt to profit from panic buyers when a political event gets people worked up. How much would you really make anyway? Just open a lemon aid stand on the weekend or something. This is definitely GD material now, not tech. |
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